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why do the people in the west NEED to understand and embrace their culture they should be doing to embracing ..... We move here to the philippines and we must follow the laws here so why should they c

Screw them. They (Muslims) need to start learning more about US. If they are going live in OUR countries, within OUR cultures, then they can live in accordance with OUR laws, OUR rules, and OUR guidel

You must be the most one eyed person on this planet , the fact that they demand sharia law in Britain , Australia and other country's they have migrated to is testament that your statement holds no we

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Tullioz brings up some good points as many people have a deep fear of the unknown (islam). But you guys are barking up the wrong tree! The shooter was an American citizen who worked in the building for five years. So this might fall into workplace violence rather then religious fanaticism. If they can figure out the shooter was a religious zealot.....so what!?

 

Does that justify this mass shooting or the 355 other mass shootings so far this year in the U.S.? There was another mass shooting on the same day in Georgia so we can call it a twofer!? The bottom line is that there is a lot of hated and evil going around...

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From what I've heard / read - within the past year he went to the Middle East got a bride, came back, started growing the bread.

 

His neighbors noticed radical change in him (sound familiar?) and large numbers of packages being delivered recently but didn't say anything to anyone because they didn't want to be labeled Islamaphobics  

 

As far as understanding the Muslims - what would that solve? I very sure the Jews understood the Nazis very well after awhile just as I understand the Muslims (remember only 3% of Germans were Nazis).

 

Maybe Farook was the one who needed to understand Islam better or perhaps he understood better than most Muslims?

 

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/03/2-suspects-killed-shootout-san-bernardino-massacre-14-killed/

 

"Baccari also said that Farook had traveled to Saudi Arabia for about a month this past spring. When Farook came back, word spread that he had gotten married and the woman he described as a pharmacist joined him shortly afterward. Baccari added that the reserved Farook showed no signs of unusual behavior, although he grew out his beard several months ago."

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Instead of uniting against the terrorist, we are creating even more division. Muslims around the world are becoming scared of the countries they live in even though the were born there and their families have been there for generations.

While this is true, those Muslims can't possibly have a problem converting to other religion or just give it up, yes?

 

So they have a choice, a very cheap one, costing nothing at all (maybe a little to their mosque runners). If their faith is not doing them any good, why would they not give it up? If they wouldn't give it up in the face of discrimination or even life dangers, should they not be considered as fanatics who could potentially be turned into terrorists?

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Seems to me that instead of us having to learn all about the Koran and what it says ,wouldn't it be best that those following this religion be taught the "peaceful" Islam that Tulliez keeps insisting they are all about?  

 

 If that's not an option for this religion I'm afraid that people like myself and a few others who are not happy with radical Islam being let loose all over in my country and back yard, we will be forced to find more permanent solutions .  Using a religion as a basis  for inexcusable behavior where its ok to kill anyone that denies this religion and it's teachings should not be allowed.   

 Anyone recall the Thuggies of India during the 1800's?   Not a religion but more a cult that became a hunted target for extermination. Would anyone want them to be brought back into the mainstream and be their neighbors today?   

 

 If Islam is the religion of Peace they are having some public image problems that need to be fixed ASAP..  

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 If Islam is the religion of Peace they are having some public image problems that need to be fixed ASAP..

 

True that, but if it were not for them, how could we possibly conjure up so many wars and violent acts?

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True that, but if it were not for them, how could we possibly conjure up so many wars and violent acts?

There's enough psychotics in the world and USA  already without having a religious basis that is spreading to become such a major player that we can't ignore it anymore. Locking them all up is not viable so instead we shut the borders and let them sort themselves out somewhere else. 

 I can't tell the difference on the street tween a peaceful Islamic and a violent one until the shooting starts.  I don't know how anyone else could either.  

 

 It may be time for us to redefine what is going to be tolerated in this "religious freedom" people have enjoyed for so long here.  

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There was another mass shooting on the same day

 

For the last time this topic is about the shooting in San Bernardino and not mass shootings in the US. Everybody please stay on topic or get banned from the topic.

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California Massacre Suspects Dropped Off Baby

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Last Updated 06:23 03/12/2015

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The two attackers who killed at least 14 people at a social services centre in southern California dropped off their six-month-old baby with a relative on the morning of the assault, according to police.

 

Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 27, told Farook's mother they were going to a doctor's appointment after leaving their child on Wednesday.

 

Hours later they were shot dead following a police chase.

 

Farook, who was born in the US, worked as an environmental health specialist for San Bernardino County, inspecting restaurants for health violations and public pools at apartment and housing complexes.

 

Fourteen Killed In Attack

On Wednesday, he attended the annual holiday gathering for employees of his department, but left after an apparent dispute, returning later with Malik dressed in assault clothing and armed with legally purchased long rifles.

 

San Bernardino Police Chief Jarrod Burguan said that the shooting spree had been clearly planned in advance and that the suspects left several explosive devices, apparently pipe bombs, at the scene of the shootings.

 

Man Describes Shooting Scene

Officials with the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), who have been in touch with the family, said the couple were married two years ago and have a six-month-old baby girl.

 

They left the baby with Farook's mother in nearby Redlands on Wednesday.

 

At a CAIR news conference, Farook's brother-in-law Farhan Kahn said he was "shocked" by the news.

 

Police Respond To Shooting

He said: "I'm very sad that people lost their life and there are victims out there. I am in shock that something like this could happen.

 

"I spoke to him about a week ago. I have no idea why would he do that, why would he do something like this."

 

Mr Burguan said officers went to a house in Redlands and saw the couple leave in a black SUV. Police then pursued that vehicle to San Bernardino, where they were fatally injured in a gun battle.

 

Farook's family was originally from South Asia, while Malik was believed to be from Pakistan and to have lived in Saudi Arabia before coming to the US, according to CAIR Los Angeles chapter executive director Hussam Ayloush.

 

Footage Of Scene Of Attack

He said that Farook had an older brother, who had served in the US military.

 

David Bowdich, an assistant regional FBI director, said on Wednesday that authorities had not ruled out terrorism.

 

He said: "It is a possibility, but we don't know that. It's possible it goes down that road. It's possible it does not."

 

 

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So what happened here, guy pissed at work or terrorism? Name and religion appears to be a coincidence this time around from what I see.

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So what happened here, guy pissed at work or terrorism? Name and religion appears to be a coincidence this time around from what I see.

 

Sure..coincidence with explosives..not planned at all..we all keep explosives on hand don't we for those "special" occasions?

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don't know what the case is here yet

 

but just saying

 

maybe it's just me having grown up in the brooklyn streets where all we did was bag on each other all the time and develop thicker and thicker skin

 

but people everywhere .. the world over.. just seem to be getting thinner and thinner skinned all the time.. all the pc stuff seems to sprout from that all the people that think being offended is some terrible thing to happen to them 

 

that's a pretty bad direction to go and worse and worse things will happen as long as people follow that path

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So what happened here, guy pissed at work or terrorism? Name and religion appears to be a coincidence this time around from what I see.

 

Terrorism, but used his workplace as the object, based on several facts.

 

1. Who goes home and gets their wife, the mother of your 6 month old child, and goes to to a place and both people shoot up the crowd?

 

2. The home has been described by police as an "IED factory".

 

3. They dropped off the child with its grandmother, not the action taken for a spur of the moment action.

 

4. There are no reports of him having troubles at work, in fact they had just thrown him baby shower.

 

5. There was not enough time between the time he left the party and returned for all the preparations to be made unless they were preplanned.

 

6. They did not make enough money to be able to afford the SUV and all the equipment that they possessed.

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Sure..coincidence with explosives..not planned at all..we all keep explosives on hand don't we for those "special" occasions?

I said the name and religion were the coincidence, not their weapons of choice. The guy couldn't have gotten explosives for the premeditated act of blowing up his coworkers?
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I said the name and religion were the coincidence, not their weapons of choice. The guy couldn't have gotten explosives for the premeditated act of blowing up his coworkers?

Names and religions were the facts.. Explosives are the modus operndi.    I do not see this as "coincidence" in any way,shape or form.  It was planned.

 

  How many more "coincidences" will have to occur to open up some eyes ??

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