Mass shooting in San Bernardino, California,

[+RogerDuMond 15,600]

Lets keep our discussion to information that is relevant to this particular case please.

[oztony 36,121]

Just seen the latest reports on this and they are stating Farook returned to a Christmas function , with his girlfriend and another accomplice , armed to the teeth after earlier having a dispute at that function.

It reeks of a terrorist style incident , maybe not the one they had originally planned , but this action may have been brought forward to appease his thin skin over an event that occurred at this function , 

why else would his compadre's all be ready at a moments notice with all this firepower and obviously no fear or remorse for the destruction they incurred.

A little homegrown muslim terrorist cell springs to mind on this one.

[+RogerDuMond 15,600]

Just seen the latest reports on this and they are stating Farook returned to a Christmas function , with his girlfriend and another accomplice , armed to the teeth after earlier having a dispute at that function.

It reeks of a terrorist style incident , maybe not the one they had originally planned , but this action may have been brought forward to appease his thin skin over an event that occurred at this function , 

why else would his compadre's all be ready at a moments notice with all this firepower and obviously no fear or remorse for the destruction they incurred.

A little homegrown muslim terrorist cell springs to mind on this one.

 

There is also another report from someone there, that there was no dispute at the meeting and that he was only there for a few minutes "as if he was casing the place" and then left.

 

Police sources are describing the place where they lived as an IED factory.

Edited December 3, 2015 by RogerDuMond

[Bill H 6,577]

Very sad indeed, but I don't think Japanese style internment camps is the answer.  Better to just send them back whence they came until they are ready to join the 21st Century and behave in a civilized manner.  Islam has a real problem, and it's called intolerance.  So long as they teach there is only one religion, and it is Islam and so long as they preach it is ok to kill anyone who is not Muslim we will have these nightmares.  Change has to come from within the Muslim community; we can't force it, but we surely can send them all back to the desert and keep them there until they learn how to behave like civilized people.

[Tullioz 3,148]

Everything else as of about 10:30 Phil time is speculation...What Im wondering is how our local expert in all thing ISIS, who does not have a TV is basing his commentary on....

 

It's almost 2016, there are much better ways to get reliable information than a TV these days. My point of view is also just speculation, but just like the FBI, I am not one to rush to judgement. The way this was carried out and the background of the subjects involved does not make this look like an Islamic inspired terrorist attack based on the information available so far. Let's wait and see though. 

 

Better to just send them back whence they came until they are ready to join the 21st Century and behave in a civilized manner....        but we surely can send them all back to the desert and keep them there until they learn how to behave like civilized people.

 

But what if they are natural born citizens, have families and well paying jobs like the suspect in this incident? We should start rounding everyone up because their faith is different than the majority? Where do you send these American citizens? Why the desert? Most Muslims have never seen a desert. 

[ILoveCyrus 1,126]

Manzanar in California ??

 

This was done by a couple with a 6 month old child who is now an ORPHAN.

These are some crazy mofos.

[Ozbrum 1,111]

It's almost 2016, there are much better ways to get reliable information than a TV these days. My point of view is also just speculation, but just like the FBI, I am not one to rush to judgement. The way this was carried out and the background of the subjects involved does not make this look like an Islamic inspired terrorist attack based on the information available so far. Let's wait and see though. 

 

 

 

But what if they are natural born citizens, have families and well paying jobs like the suspect in this incident? We should start rounding everyone up because their faith is different than the majority? Where do you send these American citizens? Why the desert? Most Muslims have never seen a desert.

 

Most of their parents and their Imams probably came from abroad....What is your solution to this Islamic problem ?

[Tullioz 3,148]

Most of their parents and their Imams probably came from abroad....What is your solution to this Islamic problem ?

 

Is it an Islamic problem or a problem with western ignorance of Islam? It's kind of a chicken and the egg question as to which came first. For starters we should stop distancing ourselves from the Islamic community by demonizing over 1/4th of the world's population and start working together to find a solution. Westerners should start learning more about Islam (Not from the media and the internet) and interacting more with their Muslim neighbors. Right now groups like ISIS are winning because they create fear and separation between us and them, if we started coming together, groups like ISIS would soon be defeated. 

[contraman 29,042]

 Westerners should start learning more about Islam 

Why ?

I await with interest your reply

Edited December 3, 2015 by contraman

[Tullioz 3,148]

Why ?

I await with interest your reply

 

Because terrorist are exploiting the west's ignorance of Islam. Ignorance leads to unnecessary fear and separation. For example, some people are ignorant of snakes and in their minds they are all dangerous and separate themselves from them at all cost. Some people kill every snake they come across even though most are harmless and even beneficial to have around.  

 

Terrorist are aware that the west knows very little about Islam. In fact, 60% of the people in the United States do not personally know a Muslim based on a recent poll by Pew research. With at least that many people not having regular interacts with Muslims, it is easy for them to believe what they find on the internet or certain media outlets (For example Fox News). Until people familiarize themselves with Islam, the terrorist will have the advantage. You can look at posts in this forum to see how some people feel abut Muslims. Some of what you read in comment sections on news stories or anti-Islamic sites is down right scary. 

 

Instead of uniting against the terrorist, we are creating even more division. Muslims around the world are becoming scared of the countries they live in even though the were born there and their families have been there for generations. ISIS is achieving exactly what it wants and our lack of knowledge is probably the greatest weapon they have.

 

I would not be at all surprised if the people involved in this recent attack may have done it because of how their coworkers were treating them because they are Muslims. Maybe the harassment became worse after the Paris attacks? maybe all the anti-refugee coverage got to them? Just speculation on my part, but incidents like this are no doubt what ISIS hopes will happen following the attacks they carry out on the west. They want to start a chain reaction and create conflict between Muslims and the west in all parts of the world. If this happens, they win. 

Edited December 3, 2015 by Tullioz

[contraman 29,042]

Because terrorist are exploiting the west's ignorance of Islam. Ignorance leads to unnecessary fear and separation. For example, some people are ignorant of snakes and in their minds they are all dangerous and separate themselves from them at all cost. Some people kill every snake they come across even though most are harmless and even beneficial to have around.  

 

Terrorist are aware that the west knows very little about Islam. In fact, 60% of the people in the United States do not personally know a Muslim based on a recent poll by Pew research. With at least that many people not having regular interacts with Muslims, it is easy for them to believe what they find on the internet or certain media outlets (For example Fox News). Until people familiarize themselves with Islam, the terrorist will have the advantage. You can look at posts in this forum to see how some people feel abut Muslims. Some of what you read in comment sections on news stories or anti-Islamic sites is down right scary. 

 

Instead of uniting against the terrorist, we are creating even more division. Muslims around the world are becoming scared of the countries they live in even though the were born there and their families have been there for generations. ISIS is achieving exactly what it wants and our lack of knowledge is probably the greatest weapon they have. 

 

Is that all you have ?

 

Again your opinions ONLY 

Your posts are becoming less and less credible all the time.

 

You are going to have to come up with something MUCH better than that if you are expecting me and (and others) to take you seriously.

 

All you are doing is spouting what you believe,

 

Come on you need to do better than that

[smokey 22,069]

Is it an Islamic problem or a problem with western ignorance of Islam? It's kind of a chicken and the egg question as to which came first. For starters we should stop distancing ourselves from the Islamic community by demonizing over 1/4th of the world's population and start working together to find a solution. Westerners should start learning more about Islam (Not from the media and the internet) and interacting more with their Muslim neighbors. Right now groups like ISIS are winning because they create fear and separation between us and them, if we started coming together, groups like ISIS would soon be defeated. 

why do the people in the west NEED to understand and embrace their culture they should be doing to embracing ..... We move here to the philippines and we must follow the laws here so why should they come to the west and demand the west change to understand them

[contraman 29,042]

why do the people in the west NEED to understand and embrace their culture they should be doing to embracing ..... We move here to the philippines and we must follow the laws here so why should they come to the west and demand the west change to understand them

 

POST OF THE DAY  

[Bill H 6,577]

To Tullioz and others of his ilk:

 

The solution to this problem is very straightforward.  Muslims everywhere need to join the 21st century.  They have to realize killing everyone who is not of your faith is simply not acceptable today, nor will it ever be.  In the west, we learn to play nicely and cooperate with each other (well some of us do).  We are a very tolerant society facing a society that is probably the most intolerant in the world.  The Mosques need to quit teaching hate.  If they are not willing to do that, then perhaps what is needed are reservations in the desert where Muslims can live any way they want.  Where they can rape little boys to their hearts content, but they can't come out and join the rest of the world so long as they insist on this lifestyle. 

 

Muslims should practice their faith as they please, but when their beliefs condone the killing of innocents and terrorizing everyone, then they must be segregated from society and kept apart, even if it is by force.  There is simply no excuse for the deliberate killing of innocents.  We can not allow this to continue.  So for those people who wish to live a sixth-century lifestyle, it is their choice to make, but they can't do it amongst the rest of us and do need to live an isolated existence.  If you think this harsh, that's ok, but I feel the deliberate killing hundreds even thousands of innocent men women and children every year is simply unacceptable behavior and it must be stopped, by force if necessary.

[Tullioz 3,148]

Is that all you have ?

 

 

 

Come on you need to do better than that

 

You do not have to agree. 

 

why do the people in the west NEED to understand and embrace their culture they should be doing to embracing ..... We move here to the philippines and we must follow the laws here so why should they come to the west and demand the west change to understand them

 

I don't see Muslims demanding the west to change or embrace their culture. it is reasonable that they ask we have a better understand it though. Muslims have been living in the US for centuries without issue and if we want to combat terrorism, we need to educate ourselves about the religion that is being exploited to drive it. Once we understand that Muslims are not the enemy and not to be feared, then we can work closer with them to defeat the extremist. Everyone who shares all the hate and misinformation online are no doubt aiding the terrorist because that creates more division. If everyone who opposes Islam took the time to take a class on Islamic studies or visited their local mosque they would discover that Islam is not at all like they have been lead to believe. You say why should I have to do this? well,  if the world is serious about defeating terrorism, then this is the only way.