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The Washington Post says, “Eric Fanning, 47, has been a specialist on national security issues for more than two decades and has played a key role overseeing some of the Pentagon’s biggest shipbuilding and fighter jet programs.”

 

I wonder if he "played a key role" in the F-35 program? Maybe that's why it's so screwed up (under-powered, over-extended and over-budget). If you haven't ever been in the fight, you don't know what is important. You are likely to think that one aircraft can be built to do everything for everybody. Aircraft should be designed by the best pilots we have for specific purposes...NOT by some pencil-pushing bureaucrat who doesn't know the difference between the requirements for an air superiority fighter and those for a ground attack aircraft. I can only imagine what kind of destruction he can wreak on the US Army.

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Just my thoughts as I worked for DOD for fifteen years after I retired from the USMC...if you dont have active Military Service..you should never be appointed to head any of the services as a civilian

For the record: 12 years service British Army, 3 tours of Northern Ireland, Bosnia, Kosovo, Sierra Leone, Cyprus, 2 tours of Iraq. Colonel (ret), HQ Squadron of my last Cavalry Regiment posting. I sti

I am touched by your level of sensitivity . Its seldom that we see a guy  post here who is so in touch with his feminine side .     So your position is that all " public forums" should be ruled in l

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Lamoe-  13 years with 2 tours in Vietnam,I really won't go into depth with medivacs and wounds with you being I've read to many post of yours over the months.

 

? This is what I wrote - do try to at least quote me correctly and not lie about me - show me where I ever said I was  medivaced

 

"USMC 67 /71 - 4  years 3 months service - medical discharge, 13 months Vietnam 68 - 11 months military hospital, wounded 3 times, final rank Sargent  E-5"

 

And it was a warning that you've finally pissed me off by going off topic and making it personnel. 

 

For you information Marines served 13 month tours not 12

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Having gay parents must be horrible

 

Can you imagine having a gay son.....I cant even imagine it.

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Can you imagine having a gay son.....I cant even imagine it.

Many parents have :idontknow:

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For the record: 12 years service British Army, 3 tours of Northern Ireland, Bosnia, Kosovo, Sierra Leone, Cyprus, 2 tours of Iraq. Colonel (ret), HQ Squadron of my last Cavalry Regiment posting. I still hold the Queen's Commission.

 

In the middle of a fire fight do you really care whether the soldier fighting alongside you is gay, straight or dressed up in a Paddington Bear outfit?

 

No you don't because the qualities and values that make a good solider are more important and relevant than their sexual orientation.

 

Ask yourself a really simple question:- Would you rather die on a battlefield because you decided that you didn't want a gay man fighting beside you (and for you) because you can't stomach the fact that they are gay?

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For the record: 12 years service British Army, 3 tours of Northern Ireland, Bosnia, Kosovo, Sierra Leone, Cyprus, 2 tours of Iraq. Colonel (ret), HQ Squadron of my last Cavalry Regiment posting. I still hold the Queen's Commission.

 

In the middle of a fire fight do you really care whether the soldier fighting alongside you is gay, straight or dressed up in a Paddington Bear outfit?

 

No you don't because the qualities and values that make a good solider are more important and relevant than their sexual orientation.

 

Ask yourself a really simple question:- Would you rather die on a battlefield because you decided that you didn't want a gay man fighting beside you (and for you) because you can't stomach the fact that they are gay?

Well said my good man, well said......

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I apologize for all the posts that have been deleted. I banned the member (troll) and deleted all posts. I am deleting all replies to his posts as well.

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  In the middle of a fire fight do you really care whether the soldier fighting alongside you is gay, straight or dressed up in a Paddington Bear outfit?   No you don't because the qualities and values that make a good solider are more important and relevant than their sexual orientation.

 

I agree with you there. But the military is not one long never ending fire fight. Many never see a fire fight. So it's the dorm rooms, showers, and day to day life that bothers me. I am attracted to women. If I told you that I could live among them, sleep next to them, and shower with them without ever giving a thought or effort to bang one or several of them I'd be lying. 

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Gay = weak ?, or have i missed something ?

 

Being gay is not the same as being weak - although the fringe  (mincing drama queens) are the ones typically shown in movies and TV  - which is where that opinion originates.

 

It's ok for guys to lust after women and hopefully it is returned - but to know that the guy next to you lusts after men is disconcerting because true or not  - must heteros do not like the thought that someone may think they feel the same.

 

When I was younger I felt that way - older now, opinion not the same.

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I apologize for all the posts that have been deleted. I banned the member (troll) and deleted all posts. I am deleting all replies to his posts as well.

ya lefty

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Can you imagine having a gay son

Of course I could.  I judge my children on the content of their character rather than their orifice of choice.

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I agree with you there. But the military is not one long never ending fire fight. Many never see a fire fight. 

 

True enough. The training is designed to prepare you for combat situations. 

 

Being in an actual fire fight is very different to the live fire training exercises.

 

 

So it's the dorm rooms, showers, and day to day life that bothers me. 

 

 

I went to an all boys boarding school from a young age so the Army was not a 'huge leap' in terms of the whole dorm rooms/showers/day to day. There were boys at school who were in my living quarters who were obviously gay and no one really cared. Sure they got their fair share of verbal remarks and they might have been bullied a bit but no more than most other boys experience. None of them tried anything or pushed themselves on any one else.

 

In the Army no one really cares either. Sure there is a lot of banter and curiosity about the hows/why's and wherefores even some horseplay but nothing that would cause anyone to be so offended they file a complaint. This is also true of Mess dinners where the spirit of espirit de corps puts very few things off limits in good company.

 

That is not to say there are no problems. I certainly dealt with a few during my command.

 

I found this article in the Daily Mail and its worth a read.

 

 

I am attracted to women. If I told you that I could live among them, sleep next to them, and shower with them without ever giving a thought or effort to bang one or several of them I'd be lying. 

 

 

Lead me Lord not into temptation  :yahoo:

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the only problem i see with this personally is if they appointed him to the position because he was gay.. rather then just because he was the best candidate for the job

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Being gay is not the same as being weak - although the fringe  (mincing drama queens) are the ones typically shown in movies and TV  - which is where that opinion originates.

 

It is an unfortunate cringe worthy stereotype.
 
To be fair the more flamboyant mincing drama queen types get the most media attention much like the squeaky wheel gets the most grease. 
 

It's ok for guys to lust after women and hopefully it is returned - but to know that the guy next to you lusts after men is disconcerting because true or not  - must heteros do not like the thought that someone may think they feel the same.

 

When I was younger I felt that way - older now, opinion not the same.

 

 

Unwanted attention is always an awkward situation. A persons response and behaviour in the circumstance is entirely relevant in determining whether they acted appropriately or stepped over the mark.

 

I remember what my Mother told me when I was sent to Boarding School at a young age "If the Choir Master touches you in any way you feel uncomfortable kick him between the legs and run as fast as you can to the Boarding Masters office and have them call me straight away". Thankfully I didn't ever have to act on her advice.

 

The biggest egotistical error any male could make is believing that just because a person is gay then they must by default lust after you and want you all to themselves. If this ridiculous notion were to be a self evident truth then we would also believe that every female suffers from the same affliction.

 

I agree with your sentiment that the older we get that some of the things we held onto in our youth evolve and we are all the better for it.

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