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I was concerned about moving up to the 25 mg daily dose from the 12.5 mg every other day dose I was on, but my concerns were unfounded.  I've noticed no adverse effects at all and I feel good.

im doing 25 a day. Third day I got a bit of anxiety and heart racing. Think I'll drop back to every other day. I also took it as I was drinking a whole pot of coffee... Might have not been the best idea.

 

 

I'm trying this because I have killed my metabolism with yoyo dieting over the years. Almost every year I would drop 70 to 80 pounds then gain it back. Right now my test is low and my metabolism is so slow I eat nothing and gain weight. No energy and I've had bad muscle mass loss. Now I'm not sure of the results because its too r

Early to tell but the first two days I've dropped 3lbs a day. I was averaging a pound a day before. That with an extream low carb diet that I'm trying to get away from if I can jump start my metabolism.

 

Sex I dont have much problem with other then maybe a slight reduction in libido when I had to get back on blood psi meds

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Young guys like to  say that their pecker is lethargic.   Older guys are more willing to admit that they are having problems getting it up . 

I think you mean 300 mg.  Do you realize how much 300 ml is?  Almost the contents of a soft drink can.  That would take one hell of a syringe and hurt like hell!

Had blood test done at Silliman University hospital (1,500 pesos) today.  Been on 25 mg clomid three times/week for about 90 days.  Test level from today's test is 841. That's a pretty significant in

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Sex I dont have much problem with other then maybe a slight reduction in libido when I had to get back on blood psi meds

 

 

Blood pressure medications will kill your libido, unless you are using Losartan, which actually can increase it. That's what I take, and no problems down there. I was on Atenolol, which my mother in law takes, and that crap will make your sex life vanish at age 17.

 

Ask your doctor to switch it up and see if it stays low. The stuff is readily available in the Philippines pharmacies and cheap enough. :)

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http://seniorhealth.about.com/cs/sex/a/cozaar.htm

 

Updated November 25, 2014.

A drug that has proven successful in treating hypertension, or high blood pressure, may also help improve another condition that plagues older men. Scientists have found that men being treated for hypertension with the drug losartan, who also suffer from sexual dysfunction reported improvement in at least one area of sexuality. The number of men reporting improvement was at 88% during the study. The number of men involved in the study who reported impotence dropped from 75.3 % to 11.8%. The results of this study raise hope for men who have quit taking blood pressure medications because they interfered with sexual function. Sexual dysfunction was defined for the study as decreased libido, impotence and poor sexual satisfaction.

The 12-week study of 164 men, all with hypertension was divided into 2 groups of 82, one group with sexual dysfunction, the other group reported normal sexual functioning.

 

Both groups took losartan in dosages of 50 to 100 milligrams daily for the 12 weeks of the study. In the group of men with sexual dysfunction 88 percent reported improvement in at least one area of sexual function and 73.7% reported an improved quality of life.

The study group of men without sexual dysfunction, the drug did not produce changes in sexual function or satisfaction.

While scientists caution that the results are not definitive, they do point out the need for a larger clinical study. Hypertensive men who are also impotent but who are well controlled on another drug should not be switched to this drug until further study is done.

Carlos Ferrario M.D. states the results of the study also points to the finding that hypertensive drugs do not caused by hypertensive drugs, but is in fact a part of the disease process itself.

He feels that the major contributor to impotence in hypotensive men is angiotensin.

Most cases of sexual dysfunction are related to a physical cause. The most common causes are diabetes, heart disease, neurological trauma or disease and side effects of medications. Stress and anxiety can also contribute to impotence. While most of the focus has been on men with erectile dysfunction, a number of women also suffer from this disorder. Exact numbers of suffers are not known as many people do not report these problems to their physicians due to shame. Over the last few years thee have been many exciting advances in the knowledge and treatment of erectile dysfunction, with the most prominent being .

Keeping diseases such as diabetes and hypertension under control will go far to preventing sensual dysfunction, but communication with your physician if these occur, can help all seniors male or female enjoy life more.

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In a other month I should be light enough thatbi can drop the high blood psi meds. I do hate them but they don't affect me too bad.

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I am giving it a shot. 48 years old. Test level 460.  Taking 25 mg on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. (Splitting the 50 mg pills).

 

On it for 30 days.  Started cuz I was feeling lethargic quite a bit.  All my lifts in the gym have gone up and my bodyfat level is dropping. Feeling better as well - more energy.

Gonna get test level checked in another couple of months to see if any actual change.

 

Had blood test done at Silliman University hospital (1,500 pesos) today.  Been on 25 mg clomid three times/week for about 90 days.  Test level from today's test is 841.

That's a pretty significant increase from 410 - (I rechecked paperwork today and 460 noted above was wrong).

 

Just from my lifts in the gym, I knew the stuff was working.  Also not feeling as tired and worn out as I was before taking it.

 

Don't know if I will stay on it, though.  Haven't had any side effects but this stuff hasn't been tested long term.  It's definitely a cheap and effective way to increase test levels, at least in my experience.

 

Oh, and my cholesterol, glucose and all that other stuff are down a lot as well. 

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Had blood test done at Silliman University hospital (1,500 pesos) today.  Been on 25 mg clomid three times/week for about 90 days.  Test level from today's test is 841.

That's a pretty significant increase from 410 - (I rechecked paperwork today and 460 noted above was wrong).

 

Just from my lifts in the gym, I knew the stuff was working.  Also not feeling as tired and worn out as I was before taking it.

 

Don't know if I will stay on it, though.  Haven't had any side effects but this stuff hasn't been tested long term.  It's definitely a cheap and effective way to increase test levels, at least in my experience.

 

Oh, and my cholesterol, glucose and all that other stuff are down a lot as well. 

 

 

Nice summary.

 

Remember though, Clomid does not release production of testosterone. Those numbers will go up and down all day. Best time for free test, ummm, test, is as soon as you wake up. Have you ever taken steroids? That could be why taking this is having your lifts go up.

 

From the true test subjects : Bodybuilder steroid sections. :D

 

Clomid does not, as is often thought, stimulate the release of natural testosterone, but rather works at reducing the oestrogenic inhibition caused by the steroid cycle. It does this in a similar manner to the way it and Nolvadex block oestrogen receptors in nipples to combat gyno development, i.e. by blocking the oestrogen receptors in the hypothalamus and pituitary thus reducing the inhibition from the elevated oestrogen. This allows LH levels to return to normal, or even above normal levels, and in turn, natural testosterone levels to also normalise.

 

Inhibition of the HPTA is caused by either elevated androgen, oestrogen or progesterone levels. On cessation of the steroid cycle, androgen levels begin to fall and Clomid dosing is normally commenced according to the half-life of the longest acting drug in the system (see below).

 

This may also explain the reason individuals often find post-deca recovery more difficult, as the progesterone presence is untouched by the Clomid. We know that Clomid and Nolvadex (being very similar chemically) are both ineffective with regard to reducing progesterone related gyno, so it is reasonable to assume that Clomid has little effect against progesterone levels.

 

Clomid During A Cycle

When we use anabolic steroids, the level of androgens in the body rises causing the androgen receptors to become more highly activated, and through the HPTA, a signal tells our testes to stop producing testosterone. During a cycle the body has far higher than normal levels of androgens and, as long as this level is high enough, Clomid will not help to keep natural testosterone production up. It will be almost all but completely shut off, in theory.

 

Some heavy androgen users, however, do advocate a small burst of Clomid mid-cycle, though it must be hard for them to say if it really of any benefit, due to the amount of gear they are using. Therefore, the only purpose of Clomid during a cycle is as an anti-estrogen.

 

 

When To Start Clomid

The correct time to commence Clomid depends on the type and cycle of steroids you have been using. Different steroids have different half-lifes (indicates the time a substance diminishes in blood), and Clomid administration should be taken accordingly.

 

As we have seen above, Clomid taken when androgen levels in our blood are still high will be a waste. It is crucial to wait for androgen levels to fall before implementing our Clomid therapy. However, if taken too late we could possibly lose gains.

 

The list below determines when you should start Clomid. Select from the list any steroids you've used in your cycle and whichever one has the latest starting point is the time to commence Clomid. For example, if Dianabol, Sustanon and Winstrol were cycled, the time for administering Clomid should be 3 weeks post cycle, as Sustanon remains active in the body for the longest period of time.

 

Steroid Time after

last administration Length of

Clomid Cycle

Anadrol50/Anapolan50: 8 - 12 hours 3 weeks

Deca durabolan: 3 weeks 4 weeks

Dianabol: 4 - 8 hours 3 weeks

Equipoise: 17 - 21 days 3 weeks

Finajet/Trenbolone: 3 days 3 weeks

Primabolan depot: 10 - 14 days 2 weeks

Sustanon: 3 weeks 3 weeks

Testosterone Cypionate: 2 weeks 3 weeks

Testosterone Enanthate/Testaviron: 2 weeks 3 weeks

Testosterone Propionate: 3 days 3 weeks

Testosterone Suspension: 4 - 8 hours 2-3 weeks

Winstrol 8 - 12 hours 2-3 weeks

 

 

How To Take Clomid

Clomid has a long half-life (possibly 5 days), so there is no need to split up doses throughout the day. If Sustanon has been used and Clomid is commenced 3 weeks after the last injection, I would estimate that androgen levels are low enough to start sending the correct signals. If androgen levels are still a little high, we need to start at a high enough amount that will work or help, even if androgen levels are still a little high. Try 300mg on day 1; then use 100mg for the next 10 days; followed by 50mg for 10 days.

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Remember though, Clomid does not release production of testosterone.

 

Try 300mg on day 1; then use 100mg for the next 10 days; followed by 50mg for 10 days.

 

Those high doses are nuts. Maybe if you are on steroids, you need that, but for guys not on steroids, those doses would be downright dangerous...and I'm not sure they aren't dangerous even if you ARE on steroids. Of course, if you are on steroids, you have already screwed up your body. Everything I have read (by doctors) points at taking no more than 25 mg per day. Clomiphene citrate works by suppressing the production of estrogen in your body (which is produced in men as well as women). Estrogen acts to turn off the switch for testosterone production, so by eliminating estrogen, it does promote testosterone production.

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Those high doses are nuts. Maybe if you are on steroids, you need that, but for guys not on steroids, those doses would be downright dangerous...and I'm not sure they aren't dangerous even if you ARE on steroids. Of course, if you are on steroids, you have already screwed up your body. Everything I have read (by doctors) points at taking no more than 25 mg per day. Clomiphene citrate works by suppressing the production of estrogen in your body (which is produced in men as well as women). Estrogen acts to turn off the switch for testosterone production, so by eliminating estrogen, it does promote testosterone production.

 

 

Actually, as you age your body IS shutting down the T, while increasing the E. I get a laugh at some responses suggesting ball shrinkage. Guess what? As your body shuts down T as you age, they ARE shrinking. This is a natural course, called andropause, or male menopause.

 

As far as crazy doses, what are you looking for from Clomid headshot? These doses are in shorter duration versus the silly 3 months plus I am reading here. These are 2-3 weeks tops, after a while as per the steroid (variation of T). This is the jolt BODYBUILDERS need to amp back up their own shutdown.

 

If you're an older guy, are you planning on taking this "forever"? You've already begun playing with your own hormones headshot once you taken a dose you feel are safe. You've just entered an area far past a beer and viagra. The first shot in your ass of test cyp, or a gel/patch and your own body's older limited production of T, which I am sure is limited giving you are even curious about Clomid, and there goes the remaining small dose of libido. Guys that are older take enough T to give them a libido, or that tingle down there when you see some cleavage.

 

Do not compare a bodybuilder and his cycle vs what you are doing. These guys are chemists with their own bodies, I find taking clomid for an increase of testosterone impossible as that's not what it DOES. I also find if FAR more dangerous to take any dose for a long time of this stuff more dangerous then an actual anti estrogen bodybuilders take DURING a cycle, as those have had long term studies done, being they are used to treat breast cancer. Yes, men can get that as well, and the two being Arimidex and Tamoxifen, both available at the drug store on the corner of the circle. These LOWER estrogen, and bodybuilders take these on "bulking" cycles, or when they are taking more of the androgenic steroids, or what you would get from a doctor in the USA for TRT. The reasons bodybuilders take these two drugs is because when they bulk, those drugs, androgenic, WILL put estrogen in your body as you take them as well as the T.

 

I understand your fear of what bodybuilders do, but they know what they are doing, and those crazy amounts might make them look silly, but for information wide, that's the place to go. You want real feedback, this is not the site to be learning hormone replacement therapy.

 

Remember, you are simply getting older, and while losing sight, hearing and memory are all part of aging, they have medications and devices/operations to and even hair plugs to keep you feeling young. This goes for men, and our testosterone.

 

Once you go hormone therapy without a doctor, and make decisions based on a guy using them 3 months who is a lifter (more evidence that he probably at some point dabbled in the juice) as your lone study, you lose all credibility to denounce the millions of guys worldwide who older and still sporting wood, and who have muscular bodies, and want to keep looking good. Don't assume all bodybuilders are Lee Haney.

 

In short, 3 weeks of those doses between cycles is far less dangerous then smaller does for longer periods such as 3 plus months.

 

And, remember, it's those bodybuilders who have been using this chemical for decades now, and they know what it is best used for. I can't even begin to list the amount of doctors who lift weights, and know all about these things.

 

Anti aging is a start for your need of wood. I suggest a trip to Thailand and Pattaya. Go to a gym and ask what doctors deal with anti aging, and hit a pharmacy they suggest for your test cyp if you don't trust the mail. Sit and talk to one of these "dumb" muscle heads, when they are not lifting. They love to help the older generation with their knowledge. :drinks:

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From what I have seen on the Peak Testosterone Forum, the popularity of Clomid (clomiphene citrate) seems to be growing.  Furthermore, it appears to be increasingly considered by young men as a viable long term solution for their low testosterone (hypogonadism).  And it is true:  Clomid can boost total testosterone levels easily to 500-600 ng/dl in most men with secondary hypogonadism from what I have seen.  (For details, see my link on Clomid and Testosterone.)

Futhermore, many physicians feel comfortable with Clomid overall and consider it to be a safe long term alternative.  Consider what one poster wrote:

"My doc says he's had guys on it 'for years.' There not that many (if any at all) studies on long term usage of clomid in men. Seems like most docs really feel/think it's fine, but still - that's what they *think.*" [1]

For years, eh? So what else is so great about Clomid and why is it so popular?

1. Convenience.  Just take a pill.  That's all you have to do with Clomid.  No messy gels. No driving to the doctors for injections or a pellet procedure.

Do you know the foods and drinks that increase erection-boosting Nitric Oxide? Check out the Peak Erectile Strength Diet where I show you how to dramatically and naturally improve your erectile strength.

2.  Inexpensive.  One recent study pointed out how cheap Clomid is compared to many testosterone-boosting alternatives: "The monthly cost of Testim 1% (5 gm daily) is $270, Androgel 1% (5 gm daily) is $265, and CC (50 mg every other day) is $83." 

NOTE:  Standard testosterone injections and compounded creams are typically inexpensive as well.

3.  Fertility.  Clomid is used by many fertility physicians to boost fertility.  In fact Clomid can have a very powerful effect in this area:  one study on infertile men showed participants more than doubling their sperm counts! Another study found that within 2-6 months nnot only had sperm counts improved but also sperm motility (mobility/movement) as well.

4.  Testes Preservation. Traditional testosterone therapy can can lead to some testicular shrinkage especially if the doctor goes into the 800+ ng/dl range.  The shrinkage is actually not very much, depending on the man's testosterone levels and a few other factors, but many men are very sensitive about "the boys" getting smaller in any way and request HCG to overcome this. (See my link on Testosterone and HCG for more informatiion.) Because of #3, Clomid does not generally result in testicular shrinkage.

Put all this together and some men cannot understand why anyone would go on traditional testosterone therapy. (For some starter information, see my link on Hormone Replacement Therapy.) Clomid seems like the obvious alternative, especially for some of the younger guys wanting to preserve their fertility.  Furthermore, they are considering Clomid as a long term strategy.

The tragedy with this, though, is that these men forget that Clomid is a pharmaceutical and, as such, a synthetic substance that it does have side effects.  Yes, it's widely used by the fertility and steroid communities and, yes, it has been around for decades.  But that does NOT mean it is suitable for long term usage.

 

Always keep in mind that Bioidentical Testosterone is just what your body is expecting.  It is the exact molecule that your body needs and uses every day.  This is not the case with Clomid:  it is a hybrid molecule and is still not totally understood.  It has a powerful and poorly understood effect on many cells, affecting many pathways, including all-important calcium channeling. 

Clomid can have a major impact on mood in particular and men can get "estrogen crash" symptoms, i.e. depression, moodiness and so on.  Clomid can also give nasty headaches and stomach aches as well.  One of our Forum Posts stated "I do get some nausea but not that bad." Not that bad?? What is 10+ years of mild nausea going to do with you?  Is it possibly affecting digestion and those all-critical B vitamins and minerals.

But on this page I want to focus on the potential long term risk to your vision.  Yes, there have been studies of a year with no major visual issues discovered.  And, yes, there was a study on women that found the following seemingly comforting news about Clomid:

"We found no differences between the washout and clomiphene citrate conditions for color vision, visual acuity, contrast sensitivity, and visual fields. The only statistically significant difference was found for foveal flicker sensitivity at 32 Hz in the right eye, with a similar trend in the left eye and at 8 Hz in both eyes."

However, studying Clomid short term may be very misleading.  Why do I say that? Consider some of the long term risk effects covered by the research:

1. Vision.  If you're considering Clomid as a long term solution, the #1 risk you must consider in my mind is vision.  Visual distrubances and even damage is a common side effect of Clomid in both men and women.  Many case reports and some research summaries have been done and it does not look pretty.  Here are just a few examples:

a) Vascular Sludging and Vision Loss.  How does Clomid sometimes effect vision and damage the eye. One issue is that it "gunks up" blood flow to the eye. One woman lost vision in one due to this. [5]

b) Uveitis. Several cases of uveitis have been reported, which is an inflammation of certain visual tissues. One study reported the case of a woman who lost vision from uveitis after initiating Clomid therapy, then recovered her vision and then lost her vision again when she repeated Clomid therapy. [6]

c) Retinal Blood Vessel Damage.  Other case reports include injury to retinal blood vessels. [7]

d) Cytotoxicity.  Clomid is known to be cytotoxic (cell-killing) to many types of cells in vitro.  One of these studies looked at rabbit corneal epitheal cells and found that "at concentrations of 0.5–20 µM, clomiphene killed cells in a concentration-dependent manner." [8] Will this cause put some men at risk?  Time will tell. 

Does it really happen in real life?  You bet it does.  One of our long term member on the Peak Testosterone Forum wrote the following: "When I first saw Shippen he put me on Clomid to test for secondary or primary. And I could have stayed on it but I have a side affect of eye blurriness."

Again, I think it may be a BIG assumption to think you can take Clomid for 10, 20 or 30 years without risk to your vision. Talk to your doctor about this potential long term issue. (The PDE5 Inhibitors are also notorious for affecting vision and disturbing blood flow to the optic nerve.  Men taking both Clomid and Levitra, Cialis or Viagra should probably be doubly careful.)

So, if you are looking to use Clomid long term, I would definitely disciss the vision issue with your doctor.

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Let's stay on topic - this is NOT a Bodybuilding Forum where so-called scientists experiment on their bodies with illegal drugs.

This thread is about using CLOMID  - a legitamate RX med, obtainable in the Philippines without a rx, to repair/alleviate some urological degradations that can occur naturally at any age.

Take your bodybuilding crap which two of you seem to revel in and start your own thread and leave the rest of us alone.  

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Take your bodybuilding crap which two of you seem to revel in and start your own thread and leave the rest of us alone.

 

Well said ...

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Let's stay on topic - this is NOT a Bodybuilding Forum where so-called scientists experiment on their bodies with illegal drugs.

This thread is about using CLOMID  - a legitamate RX med, obtainable in the Philippines without a rx, to repair/alleviate some urological degradations that can occur naturally at any age.

Take your bodybuilding crap which two of you seem to revel in and start your own thread and leave the rest of us alone.  

 

 

Bodybuilders USE Clomid, and have for ages, and know quite a bit about it. Why exactly would that be OFF topic, giving expert advice? I see many posts pointing at sites regarding the stuff, what's wrong with the experts? It's a drug that should be given by a doctor as it has many side effects, including eye problems. What if a poster has eye issues, and pops a viagra at times? Then starts long term usage of the bodybuilding used drug for T, clomid? Eye problems have been shown in studies with woman, the people who aside from BODYBUILDERS, use this drug.

 

If you don't want to hear the negative of Clomid, and just want to assume it's great because a few lab rats have tried it for ED problems, then I suggest blocking me.

 

I have my own opinions on factual evidence and this is where it belongs. Why would a female drug, used for testosterone boosting, that bodybuilders have let you in on a decade old secret, be considered so sensitive to your senses?

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Let's stay on topic - this is NOT a Bodybuilding Forum where so-called scientists experiment on their bodies with illegal drugs.

This thread is about using CLOMID - a legitamate RX med, obtainable in the Philippines without a rx, to repair/alleviate some urological degradations that can occur naturally at any age.

Take your bodybuilding crap which two of you seem to revel in and start your own thread and leave the rest of us alone.

Until someone makes you a Mod, if you have a problem with someone's post, try the report button. That way we don't have to read your off topic post as well...

 

 

See someone must have reported one of my post because poof, it's gone... :unknw:

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I don't understand the motivation or mentality of body builders at all...so am not going to comment on that at all aside from the fact that i don't understand why they feel the need to pump their bodies full of all sorts of drugs ...for what... don't answer that ...

 

I haven't really contributed to this thread much but I did some research on lots of things as a result of ending up in hospital last year after using viagra... I came across Clomid then and researched it further on a variety of web sites, asked my doctor about it, he is a cardiologist by the way ... and then did more research ... The doctor saw no reason why I shouldn't try climid and in his opinion felt it wouldn't be advise to my current state of health.

 

Body builders never let me in on any "secret", most of the research I have done has only mentioned body building in passing and not as the main focus of using clomid.

 

I am very interested in peoples experiences using clomid as they age, their positive and negative experiences... I am not interested in the body  building ethos at all.

 

Just my 5 pesos worth ...

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Why is it that such young guys require such medication ?


I am old enough to be the father of many here and I have not even thought about taking anything.  :idontknow:


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