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Major, 63, said he had no intention of using Diana (real name withheld) for sex. He said he planned to check a lot in Sta. Fe, Bantayan he wanted to buy.

Cabahug said Diana’s mother met Major through the Internet last year.

Major, however, said he knew the mother in Barangay Maribago, Lapu-Lapu City.

 

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/local-news/2015/05/20/i-am-not-pedophile-german-408581
 

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My wife, when reading this said, " Somebody that was jealous of the family just turned them in, because if there was no complaint, nobody would do anything, the same thing could happen to us"    And

i clicked on the article and to be fair, even if the family is meeting them at the pier the german wasn't riding the bike with the mother or father, he was riding it with the minor girl and showed up

I think you guys should all settle down and read this bit from Senior Supt. Noel Gillamac, Cebu provincial police director.   “There have been parents who, because of poverty, allowed their children

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How many foreigners can you name that have been destroyed by this clause?

 

There was a 70 year old foreigner arrested last year under this law in Cebu , he landed at a port with an 8 year old girl to take her for specialist treatment at the doctors , he was a close friend of the family's , it was reported on this forum but I cannot find it,

Your trust in this law is bizarre , and to think there would be no collateral damage from such a poorly constructed piece of legislation is also bizarre.

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If you care to read my posts, I have done exactly that and what they have told me is contrary to what you are saying

Thats why I am calling BS to your interpretation.

I am not sure where you got your advice from, but it was incorrect. I would have gotten another opinion or went straight to the courts to get clarification if it was going to somehow affect a relationship I was involved in. I am sorry to hear that you allowed this to come between you and someone you obviously cared about.

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There was a 70 year old foreigner arrested last year under this law in Cebu , he landed at a port with an 8 year old girl to take her for specialist treatment at the doctors , he was a close friend of the family's , it was reported on this forum but I cannot find it,

Your trust in this law is bizarre , and to think there would be no collateral damage from such a poorly constructed piece of legislation is also bizarre.

 

It was not last year, more than 2 years ago I think,

he was from sweden

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There was a 70 year old foreigner arrested last year under this law in Cebu , he landed at a port with an 8 year old girl to take her for specialist treatment at the doctors , he was a close friend of the family's , it was reported on this forum but I cannot find it,

Your trust in this law is bizarre , and to think there would be no collateral damage from such a poorly constructed piece of legislation is also bizarre.

Where is this guy at today? Was he released or is he still awaiting trial?

 

The reason I trust this law is because it is well written in my opinion and I have never once seen a case where it has been abused. Once again, a foreigner traveling alone with a child by plane, ferry or checking into a hotel is going to raise a red flag every time as it should. If the guy in the example you mentioned had no ill intent and his story checked out, then he is free today.

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From the standpoint of someone trying to catch every pedo they can (regardless of how many foreigners get destroyed in the process) I can see your point.

 

Give a concrete example then!

 

I saw earlier is an example of an innocent man, but in case he confessed that he had had sex with the girl, but thought she was over 18. The problem he had was that he actually had enrolled her in a school and handed her NSO and other papers where age clearly appeared. But of course he claimed his innocence on the net.

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Where is this guy at today? Was he released or is he still awaiting trial?  If the guy in the example you mentioned had no ill intent and his story checked out, then he is free today.

 

 I seem to remember the comment at the time by the police was he broke the law even if he was taking this girl to the doctors for treatment.

 So your theory that this is applied in only suspicious activity type situations is absolute rubbish.

 And talking up the integrity of this law here and how it is fairly applied is not good information for the forum , because what you are saying is just not true.

 Below is an example of this great law at work.

 

A 67-YEAR-OLD Swedish man was arrested yesterday in a Cebu City terminal as he was about to board a ship for Masbate province with a 9-year-old Filipina.

Port police stopped the foreigner on suspicion that he had violated a special law on the abuse of minors.

The girl, a native of Masbate, was turned over to the National Bureau of Investigation (NBI).

Jonny Lagstrem told Maritime police he had brought the girl to a hospital in Cebu City for medical treatment.

The Swedish national will have to explain the circumstances of their being together because Republic Act 7610 or the Anti-Child Abuse Law declares unlawful any person “keeping in his company a minor, 12 years or under or who is 10 years or more his junior in any public or private place” when the adult is not a relative or has any “bond recognized by law, local custom and tradition” or is not acting in the performance of a social, moral or legal duty.

Maritime police acted on a tip from an informant in Masbate province, the girl's neighbor. The girl lives with her grandparents.

Two policemen at the Cebu Ports Authority approached the man and child at 5:25 p.m. while they were sitting down in Passenger Terminal 3 waiting for their ship to Masbate.

NBI-7 special investigator Jedidah Hife said the girl was brought to a Cebu City hospital for examination and will be turned over to social workers.

Lagstrem remained silent in the police detention cell and refused to be interviewed by Cebu Daily News.

“We are gathering evidence to find out what appropriate charges we shall file against the suspect,” Hife said.

Hife said the tipoff to police was a good sign of “community awareness” of the problem of child abuse and child trafficking.

The Cebu Ports Authority referred the case to the Provincial Women's Commission which in turn sought the aid of the NBI-7. The arrest was made by Insp. Romulo Alcazar Jr. and SPO3 Noel Avenido. /By Ador Vincent Mayol, Reporter   

 

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 I seem to remember the comment at the time by the police was he broke the law even if he was taking this girl to the doctors for treatment.

 So your theory that this is applied in only suspicious activity type situations is absolute rubbish.

 And talking up the integrity of this law here and how it is fairly applied is not good information for the forum , because what you are saying is just not true.

 Below is an example of this great law at work.

 

 

Actually it looks like it is another good example of how this law is used and how well it does work. It appears there was much more to the story as he was also charged with abuse since his story about going to the doctor did not check out.

 

Lagstrem was not able to show proper documents proving his relationship with the child, thus he was charged with child abuse...

 

Section 10b is ALWAYS used in cases where abuse is suspected because it is part of  RA 7610. It can not be used just to arrest people simply for being alone with a minor. There MUST be suspicion of abuse before it can be used. 

 

 

A couple of quotes from the attached link.

 
 
The charge against Lagstrem for violation of Republic Act 7610 or the Anti-Child Abuse Law refers to section 5 b and 10 on sexual abuse and “keeping company” with a minor who is not a relative or a legal ward.
 
Magpale, co-chair of CPWC, said that the commission wants to file a heavier case which is trafficking.... 
 
Here is the additional charge he was facing:
 
(b) Those who commit the act of sexual intercourse of lascivious conduct with a child exploited in prostitution or subject to other sexual abuse; Provided, That when the victims is under twelve (12) years of age, the perpetrators shall be prosecuted under Article 335, paragraph 3, for rape and Article 336 of Act No. 3815, as amended, the Revised Penal Code, for rape or lascivious conduct, as the case may be: Provided, That the penalty for lascivious conduct when the victim is under twelve (12) years of age shall be reclusion temporal in its medium period;
 
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The problem with the way that law is written  and the interpretaion put on it when an offence is suspected, is that ot totally bars any innocent involvement between a male adult and a child..

Provided,of course, that the adult male is a foreigner.

 

There are innocent reasons why an adult male could be in the company of a child, and the law and officialdom dont take account of that.

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  Lagstrem was not able to show proper documents proving his relationship with the child, thus he was charged with child abuse...

 

Wow, it's so clear now.   :sarcasm:

 

After all, as innocent people, we always carry documentation as to the relationship we have with any minor we are with. :sarcasm:  :sarcasm:

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dont take account of that.

 

why bother when there is political or financial capital to be made

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The problem with the way that law is written  and the interpretaion put on it when an offence is suspected, is that ot totally bars any innocent involvement between a male adult and a child..

 

 

There are innocent reasons why an adult male could be in the company of a child, and the law and officialdom dont take account of that.

 

Then explain how myself and millions of others in this country are allowed to spend time with minors everyday that are in no way related without being arrested. 

 

Wow, it's so clear now.   :sarcasm:

 

After all, as innocent people, we always carry documentation as to the relationship we have with any minor we are with. :sarcasm:  :sarcasm:

 

Below is what he said his relationship to the child was. 

 

Jonny Lagstrem told Maritime police he had brought the girl to a hospital in Cebu City for medical treatment.

 

Apparently he was unable to prove this. Had he indeed taken the child to the doctor their would have been receipts  and records of this would there not? 

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sure you will

 

Anyone with intelligence would. 

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