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smokey
I find talk of wiping out those on the other side slightly hilareous. So you're 60'ish, sitting in gaol, wondering how your wife is, wondering if you'll be alive tomorrow and somehow you organise the elimination of a police station or three. Too many Terminator movies one suspects.

 

 

 

 

 

 

.. So john what would you suggest if a person is trapped and is being told he can get out of the trap for x dollars and to everyone surprise he does not have the amount needed.. did you hear of the guy from AC who spend 13 1/2 years in jail he was busted in the mid 90xx with two bar girls((( on a small amount of drugs which he said belonged to the girls who some how managed to escape )) he did not have the money needed to get out so he just rotted in jail year after year after year till a embassy official took pity and got the case back in the court where is was thrown out for having no merit... oh well what’s 13 years in jail... some would say wow that’s not fair .. well fair has NO meaning when it comes to things happening .. So as you sit in jail year after year and wait for someone to say... hey this is not fair... or you can do everything possible to prevent your pending jail stay... I find it very confusing at times as every local assumes all foreigners have millions of peso in the bank I guess they don’t understand many foreigners lived check to check in their countries and have only a pension and very little savings often due to a costly divorce or 3... I remember very plainly when on Feb 13, 2008 at 11;30pm the phone rang and I ans. the phone and it was my son and he said dad I am in trouble I am in jail... I could hear someone talking to him and then he said dad you need to get 40,000p right now.... no wait they said140,000p right now and go to Jollibee and give it to????? They said you need to do it right now... I was in shock and looked at the wife who was now awake and said wait let your mom talk to them... he said they don’t want to talk to her dad hurry .... Well first we did not have 140,000 in the house and ( I am pretty sure almost everyone in this forum does not keep they kind of cash in the house )) so we got up and the wife said I will go to the jail and see what is going on... Well we arrived there at 5am and she went first and talked to the guy in charge and he said... mam your son is arrested for possession on a stick of Pot... My wife then went to my son and asked him to point out who arrested him and he did ... Now the problem was sometime during the night the NEWSPAPER people came and seeing a foreigner took his picture so ALL bets are off now no amount can make this problem go away.. And the saga begins. Next we hire a lawyer one a family member suggested not the one the police suggested and he said ... you will have to fight this now its too late to make it go away... so after we made bail which was (((( 25%)))) of the amount we took him home at this point he has been in jail 10 days.. And he looks bad he is sick and has two shiners and cut knuckles and bruised cheek and chest... someone beat the crap out of him... so can I turn my back and let him rot in jail for years ? I have to do anything I can to get him out... Well the rest of the story is not for a public forum... This stick of pot was not on him but close to him and at the time he was very drunk and in a area he should not of been, and the police seeing a foreigner walking or as they said staggering down the street gave them concern for HIS safety and when they approached him they saw him standing close to this stick of pot and arrested him for possession of dangerous drugs. Bail 200.000 P quantity one small stick of what appears to be Pot... And the story begins...

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Paul

^ The John Martin story should be read by new members who are considering coming to the Philippines, especially if they wish to have a business here.

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JohnFromTexas

Someone should add don't run a visible business in the philippines to the list of how to not be noticed. Robert is always a bit more paranoid for my tastes including this case, but he sometimes has valid points :stick_poke: I find it funny robert that your examples of americans getting in trouble and rolled by the police are always guys who are up to no good here... drunk, in the wrong place, at the wrong time with bargirls... that's playing with fire. What happens to them isn't fair, but they put themselves in the position to be taken advantage of. I would never own a business here -- it's just asking to be scammed and extorted by those who have power to take advantage. Not to mention the whole ownership issue as well, which is to a certain extent a different kind of extortion (legal). I don't think you have to build a certified fortress and shut yourself in like robert, but taking common sense precautions does make sense. Paul while you don't have problems going places in the city at night, I'm not going out at night unless I absolutely have to because a large majority of the bizarre and violent crimes I've read about happen to people wandering around on foot here at night time. Frankly, there's not much for me to do here at night as i'm not single and neither me nor the little lady are night life types or drinkers, so it's not a sacrifice. The place we live is nice enough but nowhere near the nicest in our subdivision and my laptop is probably the most valuable thing I own here :chopper: When I go out I don't dress too nice and don't wear fancy watches or rings or things that make me look like a rich foreigner. I take jeepneys and tricycles when I can. I don't even have a cell phone here. Should someone ever choose me for a target, there's not much I can do but it's a poor choice on their part because I don't have much they would want or could get, and they better have a gun because I guarantee you if it comes to a fight they're gonna be in trouble and be sorry they made that choice. If they do have a gun, they can have fun picking up the few hundred pesos in the wallet I throw in the opposite direction before I bolt :lmao:

 

What I really don't like though about this thread and others of roberts is mainly that they give the suggestion that in the RP, everyone is out to get you -- and I could not find that to be further from the truth. Yes, there are corrupt officials and yes there are criminals... but by and large the overwhelming majority of people here are friendly and will help you, not hurt you. Everyone here is not out to get you just because they think or you do have more money than them. You still need to be careful because there are those who are... but they are few and far between. If it were as widespread as some would have you believe, all foreigners here would be getting extorted and framed, and I have not seen the evidence of that. You can cite a few cases... but to me, a handful of examples among hundreds of thousands of foreigners does not equal widespread. Still, even the handful is enough to make me not want to make myself anymore of a visible target than I have to be.

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JohnFromTexas

PS - Shocking fact - I ate lunch next to 3 police officers the other day, and none of them dropped drugs on me, arrested me and extorted me. How can this be???

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Cary

Thats a crying shame that the PNP went after and framed a 72 year old man like that. I am glad that the judge had enough sense to realize it was a set up. Especially with the Capt. Cadiz who just happen to know the exact weight of the drugs with no scale. Shameful. I have also forwarded the story to my in-laws so they know what to do in a situation like that.

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eggnoggin

One has to understand the egomania and cowardice of socialist utopians and members of the oligarchy..being stupid or lame has nothing to do with it..this guy or his wife may have done as little as snubbing some mucky mucks friend or family member..the initiators may get nada..but the judges lawyers crime bosses cops need a bone now and then to keep em happy and snuggled into the fold..the good ole usa is the "only" place in this old world where the setup is the exception..the socialist democracies america saved from themselves and defends still with our blood and treasure are busy setting up and extorting their populations with commie propoganda and handing out egalitarian crumbs of self worth to a crowd of butthole surfers still worried about daddys disapproval...the population of third world countries has a primitive mindset with only one foot occasionally stabbed into the hokey pokey rule of law..theyre mostly just shaking it all about...most of the victims are in their 60s and 70s with some bucks stashed..the white man is slow to rage but it burns white hot just below the surface until he dies..like the smothered reptilian core of our minds..we are all just monsters in slippery guise or innocent ruse... :biggrin_01: "his glassy essence like an angry ape plays such fantastic tricks before high heaven as makes the angels weep" :drink:

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RogerDuMond

I don't think you have to build a certified fortress and shut yourself in like robert, but taking common sense precautions does make sense. The place we live is nice enough but nowhere near the nicest in our subdivision and my laptop is probably the most valuable thing I own here wink.gif When I go out I don't dress too nice and don't wear fancy watches or rings or things that make me look like a rich foreigner.

 

What I really don't like though about this thread and others of roberts is mainly that they give the suggestion that in the RP, everyone is out to get you -- and I could not find that to be further from the truth. Yes, there are corrupt officials and yes there are criminals... but by and large the overwhelming majority of people here are friendly and will help you, not hurt you. Everyone here is not out to get you just because they think or you do have more money than them. You still need to be careful because there are those who are... but they are few and far between. If it were as widespread as some would have you believe, all foreigners here would be getting extorted and framed, and I have not seen the evidence of that. You can cite a few cases... but to me, a handful of examples among hundreds of thousands of foreigners does not equal widespread. Still, even the handful is enough to make me not want to make myself anymore of a visible target than I have to be.

 

It is common sense. You wouldn't go walking down the street in Harlem at night either. Being wealthy doesn't make you anymore of a target. It is assumed by many that because you are a foreigner you are wealthy. Safety is more closely related to how you comport yourself and how you treat the people you come in contact with rather than if you have money.

 

Where you live can also have an effect on your overall safety. Our home is in my wifes home municipality. Since she is related to many people in the area and well known by many of the other residents we are less likely to have problems than somebody who isn't known. My wife has also told me that if I ever get kidnaped, she will pay up to 30 pesos to secure my release.sad.gif

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Paul
PS - Shocking fact - I ate lunch next to 3 police officers the other day, and none of them dropped drugs on me, arrested me and extorted me. How can this be???

 

If you spent time in Angeles City, or Pampanga in general, you would not have made such a statement.

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barty

I have to read this later when i have more time, looks interesting....

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musicman666
PS - Shocking fact - I ate lunch next to 3 police officers the other day, and none of them dropped drugs on me, arrested me and extorted me. How can this be???

 

If you spent time in Angeles City, or Pampanga in general, you would not have made such a statement.

 

 

the whole area is so bad.. i just cant accept all the posts made by the foreigners that live there saying that its an ok place ..its in the middle of nowhere and the only thing that makes people go there is the airbase and that sleazy street nextdoor. Surely if you want to live in the philippines there must be better places if your not there for the obvious. When i read that this guy had build this bowling green and all the local expats where out in their whites on a sunday morning.. it really jars with what goes on there the night before.. bizarre story.

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Alan S

When people say "Angeles", they often mean the entertainment district of Balibago, which is only a very small area of a large city.

 

Apart from the bars, there are many companies on, what used to be Clark air base, and is now an export zone.

Many foreigners work there and live in the area.

 

Some ex-US military stayed on when the US forces left, and still live there.

 

Angeles itself has the usual range of businesses and facilities that most towns of that size has.

Some guys live there because family are in that area (and may not be, nor ever have been, working in bars.)

 

Some live there,as I did for much of 91-92, because the company told me to go there.

 

Whether or not there are "better" places is a moot point.

I am sure we can all think of "Better" places in our home countries, but few of us ever live in them for a variety of reasons.

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PS - Shocking fact - I ate lunch next to 3 police officers the other day, and none of them dropped drugs on me, arrested me and extorted me. How can this be???

 

If you spent time in Angeles City, or Pampanga in general, you would not have made such a statement.

 

 

the whole area is so bad.. i just cant accept all the posts made by the foreigners that live there saying that its an ok place ..its in the middle of nowhere and the only thing that makes people go there is the airbase and that sleazy street nextdoor. Surely if you want to live in the philippines there must be better places if your not there for the obvious. When i read that this guy had build this bowling green and all the local expats where out in their whites on a sunday morning.. it really jars with what goes on there the night before.. bizarre story.

 

As Alan S. mentioned, Angeles City is quite a normal and big town, the redlight district fairly small compared to the rest of the city, there are many nice and expensive subdivisions in the outskirts which is quite nice. With the airport in Clark getting expanded and offer more and more international flights, the reputation will change.

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Bob Ward

I have bowled at the Angeles Sports Complex and it is a quality establishment with may fine bowlers, expat and Filipino alike! http://67.225.139.201/pampanga/pinoy-lawn-bowlers-bag-medals

 

The fact that Angeles has a large bar district is just a byproduct of Clarke (Subic had Olongapo) and now the export zone. Still, the area is not my cup of tea.

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PS - Shocking fact - I ate lunch next to 3 police officers the other day, and none of them dropped drugs on me, arrested me and extorted me. How can this be???

 

If you spent time in Angeles City, or Pampanga in general, you would not have made such a statement.

 

 

the whole area is so bad.. i just cant accept all the posts made by the foreigners that live there saying that its an ok place ..its in the middle of nowhere and the only thing that makes people go there is the airbase and that sleazy street nextdoor. Surely if you want to live in the philippines there must be better places if your not there for the obvious. When i read that this guy had build this bowling green and all the local expats where out in their whites on a sunday morning.. it really jars with what goes on there the night before.. bizarre story.

 

As Alan S. mentioned, Angeles City is quite a normal and big town, the redlight district fairly small compared to the rest of the city, there are many nice and expensive subdivisions in the outskirts which is quite nice. With the airport in Clark getting expanded and offer more and more international flights, the reputation will change.

 

..looking on google earth the bowling club is pretty close to the red light district which dominates the key area between the old town and the airbase/export zone.

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PS - Shocking fact - I ate lunch next to 3 police officers the other day, and none of them dropped drugs on me, arrested me and extorted me. How can this be???

 

If you spent time in Angeles City, or Pampanga in general, you would not have made such a statement.

 

 

the whole area is so bad.. i just cant accept all the posts made by the foreigners that live there saying that its an ok place ..its in the middle of nowhere and the only thing that makes people go there is the airbase and that sleazy street nextdoor. Surely if you want to live in the philippines there must be better places if your not there for the obvious. When i read that this guy had build this bowling green and all the local expats where out in their whites on a sunday morning.. it really jars with what goes on there the night before.. bizarre story.

 

As Alan S. mentioned, Angeles City is quite a normal and big town, the redlight district fairly small compared to the rest of the city, there are many nice and expensive subdivisions in the outskirts which is quite nice. With the airport in Clark getting expanded and offer more and more international flights, the reputation will change.

 

..looking on google earth the bowling club is pretty close to the red light district which dominates the key area between the old town and the airbase/export zone.

 

If you want to call three kilometers (as the crow flies) pretty close. Fields Ave bar district is not that large. What is your point?

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