Foreigner and 5 locals go missing on fishing trip in Negros Oriental

[oztony 36,116]

Those of us that have either been there or going there for many years all know of Tambobo bay ,

I hope that 4ner relays this information to the expert , it would be good to hear some thoughts on all

this from some of Brads friends , I have only really kept going this far in this thread to keep giving

them insights from a more real perspective than what they otherwise would be receiving.

[Oz Jon 2,476]

 

 

Yes Jon , a real sad failure , I counted a dozen or so yachts in the pictures , I don't know how many were in the harbour when Larry went down there , but hell , I'd bet if you offered each yacht a thousand bucks you would have improved this search by 100%.

....

 

Unless they were flat broke and had no fuel - you wouldn't need to pay yachtsmen to join an S & R operation.

 

The "law of the sea" says, if they can, then they must!

 

But anyway sailors have a " there but for the grace of god, go I" philosophy - they just do it! -' cos that's the way they are.

[roadkill70 119]

Those of us that have either been there or going there for many years all know of Tambobo bay ,

I hope that 4ner relays this information to the expert , it would be good to hear some thoughts on all

this from some of Brads friends , I have only really kept going this far in this thread to keep giving

them insights from a more real perspective than what they otherwise would be receiving.

 

I was told that Brad has an old friend who runs a search and rescue out of Malaysia (owns his own helicopters) and offered his assistance at his own expense. I was told he was ignored and that his services were not needed. My question is why???

[oztony 36,116]

I was told that Brad has an old friend who runs a search and rescue out of Malaysia (owns his own helicopters) and offered his assistance at his own expense. I was told he was ignored and that his services were not needed. My question is why???

 

I get the feeling here that presumption is the mother of all f uck ups , presuming someone is or may about to be kidnapped , is just crazy ,

instead of getting real busy with some solid efforts to search and find a missing boat with some very desperate souls onboard.

Where they were found is a matter of kilometres from Malaysian territory , so if this guy wanted to buzz around and have a look , what possible

harm could it have done ? Unless their uninformed thoughts were it might scare the "kidnappers" , these people weren't dying from kidnapping,

they were dying from not being found , dying from thirst , hunger and exposure.

The whole mindset of those trying to act in Brads best interest must have been so tarnished with the advice of this expert that it caused

a huge cognitive problem from the beginning , logic went out the window and presumption and fantasy took hold.

[Liacos 44]

I'm a friend of Brad's for many years. Been following along on this forum. At times it was the only source of information.

 

Wanted to add my thanks to everyone on this forum. It is awesome for a group of folks who have no relationship to any of the 6, to show so much concern. The local knowledge is fantastic. Thanks for the photos, web links and YouTube of the local news.

 

Glad to see Shadow to return to this thread. Thank you for taking the time and effort to go to the beach area where the boat left and ask around. This was reassuring to know that the boat was indeed missing. This was at a time when other possibilities existed such as abduction and even Brad setting up a new life.

 

Brad is a kind guy who would do the same for any missing fisherman in this area of the world, San Francisco Bay Area, California. He would share a beer, cigarette (more recently e-cigarette) and a story with anyone.

 

A few of us are still holding out hope for his safe return. The inconsistencies in the height of the body may suggest that it is not Brad in the found boat. Hopefully the DNA samples will have results soon to shed light on this.

 

Is anyone in contact with members of the others missing? Mrs Andig must be distraught with losing 2 kids. Has the boat owner, Mr Sabroso, been contacted to confirm if the stranded boat, the one that his son took out?

 

Thanks again!

[4'Ner 51]

Yes, this is the part that really bugs me. In the early TV videos we saw, the "Bancas" the newscasters were standing by seemed more seaworthy, at least to my untrained eye. And the 28ft description seemed almost reasonable. But the pics of the boat they discovered threw me for a loop. I honestly can't imagine Brad going out on a boat like that, with five other people. Of everything that's happened in this entire situation, that's the part that makes the least sense. 

 

From people on this board who know of these boats, what's your estimation of the length of the one in the pics? Also, how many locals would typically board such a boat, out there? 

 

And thanks, OZTONY, for that drift info on Selligan Island. This, along with the fact that the outriggers may have been rigged at sea, offers some hope.

 

Some of my first comments in this thread were about my disbelieving an experienced boater would go out this way, 20+ miles out, in something that resembles a motorized canoe with outriggers, overloaded, and no lifejackets. Just did not add up to me, like many other things about this drama.

 

Some pics from the ground, these were taken on Tuesday 17th. By this time Brad and company would have been 100-200 km away.

 

 

[fred42 2,503]

Tony. How long do you think they were lost at sea before the family were notified?

Then how long from when they were lost did we get to read about it via the first media report?

I wonder how many days and nights they actually survived for?

What a terrible way to go.

RIP.

[FISHINGBRAT 137]

I was told that Brad has an old friend who runs a search and rescue out of Malaysia (owns his own helicopters) and offered his assistance at his own expense. I was told he was ignored and that his services were not needed. My question is why???

So many things we will never know or understand why his family did things the way they did.Call me mamma bear but here is a for instance. A couple weeks ago my son who is 29 took off on his Harley to get a couple of sockets from work 4 miles away, he said he'd be right back, should have taken him no more than 30 minutes. After an hour I started calling him, no answer. I called the shop he had left about 40 minutes ago I was told. After 2 hours I posted on fb had anyone seen or heard from him? 3 hours of not answering his cell I'm calling friends, those friends about 15 of them are now out diving around looking for him. Not answering his cell or letting me know he had a change of plans is not like him, his friends knew this also At 5 hours I'm out driving around and my husband is making calls to hospitals, police/sheriff, highway patrol etc. and now family is out looking for him too. See he was suppose to finish his dads car that night. 6 hours all of us out driving around meet up to see where we all covered and make a plan where else to cover, he still is not answering his phone. This is not like him at all. We meet up again at midnight to go over areas covered again. Still no sign of my son, no answer on his phone. We live in a town of canals and rivers not far away and he is now missing 11 hours. Some of his friends start checking the canals, other the rivers, the rest of us the back roads. I stopped by home to use the bathroom around 2 am and he pulls in. I call everyone to let them know he is home, most come over to make sure he is ok a few want to kick his ass! Turned out he ran into an old friend he had not seen in a few years and they went for a ride that ended up to the mountains to a casino where his phone had no signal. Though thankful and relieved he was ok I wanted to knock the dog snot out of him for not letting me know he was off on a ride. See it didn't take me but a couple hours to have people out searching for him. Had he went missing in another country my ass would have been on the next plane.

[oztony 36,116]

I am getting confused with all the hearsay and conflicting information, I am not sure if it has been established beyond doubt that this is the Original boat

 

I think it is safe to say that it is the same boat , I believe it to be , from the various sources of information that I have scoured over and read.

 

 

Tony. How long do you think they were lost at sea before the family were notified?

Then how long from when they were lost did we get to read about it via the first media report?

I wonder how many days and nights they actually survived for?

What a terrible way to go.

RIP.

 

Fred , we all became aware on Feb 17 when the thread was started , the boat departed Siaton on Feb 13 .

and was due back the following morning.

So already by the time we first heard , they were adrift or in trouble for 2-3 days.

The family had some Facebook comments from Feb 17-18 onwards before they went silent , which was

very early in the piece .

I think they were missing for about 19 days until the boat washed onto Mangsee Island.

Their actual survival time during this ordeal really depended on there access to fresh water

after 3 days of none , things would have been pretty bad , but if it rained , that would have meant xtra life.

The autopsy may give us a general closer idea to how long they were actually alive while adrift,

They may have been alive for 10 days or more , sheer speculation though, everything depended on access to fresh water.

I don't know why , but I hold the belief that they could have been found in time with a different approach , again conjecture.

[oztony 36,116]

Turned out he ran into an old friend he had not seen in a few years and they went for a ride that ended up to the mountains to a casino where his phone had no signal.

 

Tell your son if he does that to you again , he is going to get clipped by an Aussie with paws the size of a baseball glove

Edited March 6, 2015 by oztony

[Oz Jon 2,476]

Some kind of sea (or other) emergency is going to happen again, somewhere in the Phils, sometime!

 

I've started a relavent topic at "LinC to the Rescue" - what are your thoughts? - tell us on that forum topic

Edited March 6, 2015 by Paul
added url to topic title.

[FISHINGBRAT 137]

Tell your son if he does that to you again , he is going to get clipped by an Aussie with paws the size of a baseball glove

LOL I will! He is usually pretty responsible he's divorced with 2 kids. I told him he ever disappears like that again he better buy a wheel chair cause after I'm done kickin his ass he is going to need it!

[daenselot 79]

the boat departed Siaton on Feb 13 .

and was due back the following morning.

 

Just a detail, but they didn't plan on spending a night on the ocean...

[oztony 36,116]

Just a detail, but they didn't plan on spending a night on the ocean...

 

Thanks for the correction , I was for some reason all this time thinking it was an overnight thing ,and really don't know why.

[Paul 55,114]

I'm a friend of Brad's for many years. Been following along on this forum. At times it was the only source of information.

 

Wanted to add my thanks to everyone on this forum. It is awesome for a group of folks who have no relationship to any of the 6, to show so much concern. The local knowledge is fantastic. Thanks for the photos, web links and YouTube of the local news.

 

Glad to see Shadow to return to this thread. Thank you for taking the time and effort to go to the beach area where the boat left and ask around. This was reassuring to know that the boat was indeed missing. This was at a time when other possibilities existed such as abduction and even Brad setting up a new life.

 

Brad is a kind guy who would do the same for any missing fisherman in this area of the world, San Francisco Bay Area, California. He would share a beer, cigarette (more recently e-cigarette) and a story with anyone.

 

A few of us are still holding out hope for his safe return. The inconsistencies in the height of the body may suggest that it is not Brad in the found boat. Hopefully the DNA samples will have results soon to shed light on this.

 

Is anyone in contact with members of the others missing? Mrs Andig must be distraught with losing 2 kids. Has the boat owner, Mr Sabroso, been contacted to confirm if the stranded boat, the one that his son took out?

 

Thanks again!

 

 

Yes, this is the part that really bugs me. In the early TV videos we saw, the "Bancas" the newscasters were standing by seemed more seaworthy, at least to my untrained eye. And the 28ft description seemed almost reasonable. But the pics of the boat they discovered threw me for a loop. I honestly can't imagine Brad going out on a boat like that, with five other people. Of everything that's happened in this entire situation, that's the part that makes the least sense. 

 

From people on this board who know of these boats, what's your estimation of the length of the one in the pics? Also, how many locals would typically board such a boat, out there? 

 

And thanks, OZTONY, for that drift info on Selligan Island. This, along with the fact that the outriggers may have been rigged at sea, offers some hope.