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Hi pre/guys/bro/peeps/etc!

Patulong naman. I am currently looking for a Power Generator which can power the following: 2HP Aircon, 10 lights, 4 electric fan, 1 TV, 1 computer, modem/router. There will be times na I will turn off the Aircon so that I can plug 2x refrigerators (22cu-inverter type auto defrost and 14cu-manual defrost - will still check the wattage).

Summary
2HP Aircon ( at 746w/hp, that's 1492w x 3(crank up)) = 4476watts
10 lights (at 10w per light) = 100watts
4 electric fan (at 70w per fan) = 280watts
1 TV (55" Plasma) = 380watts
1 computer = 220 watts
modem/router = 30 watts
TOTAL = 5486 or 5500 watts

I then I need at least a 5500watts or maybe 6000watts or 6kVA power generator.

So far these are my choices:

1) Honda EG6500CXS (Japan) (5.5kva nominal/6.5kva max) (74dbA at ?m) pero medyo namamahalan ako - P81,000+
2) Navigator NPG8500E2- 6.5k watts nominal / 7.5k watts max (don't know the dbA) - P50k price
3) Kipor KGE6500X - 5.5Kva nominal / 6.5Kva max (74dbA at ?m) - P70k price
4) Promate 8800ES (China) - 7000watts nominal / 8800 watts max (72dbA at  m) - P63k price
5) Elemax SH7600EX (Japan) (powered by Honda) - 6.5k watts nominal / 7.6k watts max (76dbA at 7m) - Maingay pero Is this OK? May mga fake China din pala neto. Don't know the price

Some questions:

1) Do you have any knowledge kung ok yung mga generators I've posted above? If so, can you tell me kung Japan/USA/China sila? Also, which one would you choose and why?

2) I've read somewhere about Coleman powermate / kubota / robin / Creston . ok din ba eto?

3) I've also read na may mga China brands. Ano bang mga top quality China brands that you can recommend?

4) Available din ba yung mga Honda/Nagivator/Promate/Elemax/etc sa Quiapo/Raon/Evanghelista area? Malaki ba price difference? Ang hirap lang dun eh baka used na or fake ang ibenta sakin.

5) I don't really know if I should invest this much on a generator since gagamitin lang naman eto mga 1x to 3x a year pag nag brown out due to typhoon and such. Would buying a China generator be good enough alternative or should I still go with the branded japan/USA gens kahit na 1 to 3x a year lang gagamitin? Sana tumagal eto ng mga 10yrs. Kaya ba ng China gens eto?

6) Maingay naba ang 74 or 76 dbA sa generator? Ano ba ang normal ingay ng branded Japan generator and China generators? Same lang din ba ang ingay or mas tahimik ang Japan?

7) Should I go diesel or gas, japan or china, if I will only be using it 1x to 3x a year? (excluding regular warm-up)

FYI, I'm particular with the price as well as the noise level. Ayoko kasing maka distorbo ng neighbor.

Salamat ! Sana matulungan nyo ako.

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Paul

joms, you have been a member here since 2012. Please post topics in their appropriate forums. Most members here, also, are not Filipino. So, it may help if you post in English, to get faster assistance. 

 

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Hi pre/guys/bro/peeps/etc!

 

Patulong naman. I am currently looking for a Power Generator which can power the following: 2HP Aircon, 10 lights, 4 electric fan, 1 TV, 1 computer, modem/router. There will be times na I will turn off the Aircon so that I can plug 2x refrigerators (22cu-inverter type auto defrost and 14cu-manual defrost - will still check the wattage).

 

Summary

2HP Aircon ( at 746w/hp, that's 1492w x 3(crank up)) = 4476watts

10 lights (at 10w per light) = 100watts

4 electric fan (at 70w per fan) = 280watts

1 TV (55" Plasma) = 380watts

1 computer = 220 watts

modem/router = 30 watts

TOTAL = 5486 or 5500 watts

 

I then I need at least a 5500watts or maybe 6000watts or 6kVA power generator.

 

So far these are my choices:

 

1) Honda EG6500CXS (Japan) (5.5kva nominal/6.5kva max) (74dbA at ?m) pero medyo namamahalan ako - P81,000+

2) Navigator NPG8500E2- 6.5k watts nominal / 7.5k watts max (don't know the dbA) - P50k price

3) Kipor KGE6500X - 5.5Kva nominal / 6.5Kva max (74dbA at ?m) - P70k price

4) Promate 8800ES (China) - 7000watts nominal / 8800 watts max (72dbA at  m) - P63k price

5) Elemax SH7600EX (Japan) (powered by Honda) - 6.5k watts nominal / 7.6k watts max (76dbA at 7m) - Maingay pero Is this OK? May mga fake China din pala neto. Don't know the price

 

Some questions:

 

1) Do you have any knowledge kung ok yung mga generators I've posted above? If so, can you tell me kung Japan/USA/China sila? Also, which one would you choose and why?

 

2) I've read somewhere about Coleman powermate / kubota / robin / Creston . ok din ba eto?

 

3) I've also read na may mga China brands. Ano bang mga top quality China brands that you can recommend?

 

4) Available din ba yung mga Honda/Nagivator/Promate/Elemax/etc sa Quiapo/Raon/Evanghelista area? Malaki ba price difference? Ang hirap lang dun eh baka used na or fake ang ibenta sakin.

 

5) I don't really know if I should invest this much on a generator since gagamitin lang naman eto mga 1x to 3x a year pag nag brown out due to typhoon and such. Would buying a China generator be good enough alternative or should I still go with the branded japan/USA gens kahit na 1 to 3x a year lang gagamitin? Sana tumagal eto ng mga 10yrs. Kaya ba ng China gens eto?

 

6) Maingay naba ang 74 or 76 dbA sa generator? Ano ba ang normal ingay ng branded Japan generator and China generators? Same lang din ba ang ingay or mas tahimik ang Japan?

 

7) Should I go diesel or gas, japan or china, if I will only be using it 1x to 3x a year? (excluding regular warm-up)

 

FYI, I'm particular with the price as well as the noise level. Ayoko kasing maka distorbo ng neighbor.

 

Salamat ! Sana matulungan nyo ako.

we have the promate and dont think it will run the ac... everything else but in my house not enough for the ac...

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I can respond to question #7 (since I can read it). Buying a diesel engine is recommended for long term generators. For an engine that will take a beating and keep on running. If you're only going to run it for 1-3 years, then there's no point in incurring additional expense.

 

Also, the folks I know in Hawaii that have purchased Chinese gensets and tractors tell me that they're satisfied with the operation / functionality of the devices. Just that everyone understands that the Chinese product is not going to last as long or have the same quality.

 

That being said, I have a 13.3 KW Caterpillar diesel genset that is a BEAST and am considering buying a smaller Honda genset (gasoline) for more portability.

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joms, you have been a member here since 2012. Please post topics in their appropriate forums. Most members here, also, are not Filipino. So, it may help if you post in English, to get faster assistance. 

 

Moved to appropriate forum.

 

Hi. Sorry for that. I am trying to find the EDIT button to make my post in English. I can't seem to find it....

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Sorry for the inconvenience I've caused. I forgot to post this in English. Anyway, please find below my original post in English:

 

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Hi guys/sir/etc!

 

May I ask for your help. I am currently looking for a Power Generator which can power the following: 2HP Aircon, 10 lights, 4 electric fan, 1 TV, 1 computer, modem/router. There will be times which I will turn off the Aircon so that I can plug 2x refrigerators (22cu-inverter type auto defrost and 14cu-manual defrost - will still check the wattage).

Summary
2HP Aircon ( at 746w/hp, that's 1492w x 3(crank up)) = 4476watts
10 lights (at 10w per light) = 100watts
4 electric fan (at 70w per fan) = 280watts
1 TV (55" Plasma) = 380watts
1 computer = 220 watts
modem/router = 30 watts
TOTAL = 5486 or 5500 watts

I then I need at least a 5500watts or maybe 6000watts or 6kVA power generator.

So far these are my choices:

1) Honda EG6500CXS (Japan) (5.5kva nominal/6.5kva max) (74dbA at ?m) (seems nice but I find the price to be quite high) - P81,000+
2) Navigator NPG8500E2- 6.5k watts nominal / 7.5k watts max (don't know the dbA) - P50k price
3) Kipor KGE6500X - 5.5Kva nominal / 6.5Kva max (74dbA at ?m) - P70k price
4) Promate 8800ES (China) - 7000watts nominal / 8800 watts max (72dbA at  m) - P63k price
5) Elemax SH7600EX (Japan) (powered by Honda) - 6.5k watts nominal / 7.6k watts max (76dbA at 7m) - Noisy but is this unit good? I just found out that there are Fake China Elemax units as well. Don't know the price

Some questions:

1) Do you have any knowledge if the generators I've posted above are good? If so, can you tell if you know them to be made in Japan/USA/China? Also, which one would you choose and why?

2) I've read somewhere about Coleman powermate / kubota / robin / Creston . are these ok too?

3) I've also read that there are China generators. Would you know what are the top quality China generators? Perhaps you can give me the best 3 China generators?

4) Would you know if Honda/Nagivator/Promate/Elemax/etc generators can be found in Quiapo/Raon/Evanghelista area? Is the price difference big? The only thing im worried about if I buy in that place is that they might give me a used or fake unit.

5) I don't really know if I should invest this much on a generator since I will only be using it 1x o 3x a year whenever the power goes out (blackout) due to typhoon/storm and such. Would buying a China generator be a good enough alternative then or should I still go with the branded japan/USA gens even if usage is only 1 to 3x a year? Hopefully the generator I will buy will last 10yrs+. Do you think China generators can last this long?

6) Is 74 or 76 dbA at 7meters considered loud for a generator? What is the normal loudness of a typical branded Japan generator and China generators? Do they both sound loud or are Japan generators quieter?

7) Should I go diesel or gas, japan or china, if I will only be using it 1x to 3x a year? (excluding regular warm-up)

FYI, I'm particular with the price as well as the noise level. I just don't want to bother the neighbor.

 

Thanks. I hope you guys can help me.
 

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The peak load for when the a/c kicks in along with the rest of the load i.e. 5,500 watts is the size the gen set needs to be at peak or surge rating , in other words a generator might be rated at 4000 watts continuous with 5000 w peak , so you won't need 5,500 continuous . 

 

The other thing to look for is the power factor , if the power factor is 1 then kw and KvA are the same , if it's 0.8 then you divide the kw by the power factor to give KvA , so if looking at gen sets that have only KvA mentioned , with a 0.8. power factor you would then divide the kVa number by 1.25 ( that's 1 divided by 0.8 ) to estimate the wattage output of the set .

 

Example - 6 KvA with PF 0.8 ---  6000 / 1.25 = 4,800 watts .  If that was the continuous rating of the set , it would be big enough for your needs . 

 

I'd also recommend using a surge protector on the outlet that supplies the plasma tv , whether running on mains or genset but especially on the genset

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hi i do not know much about power generators but 6000 w generater will take a lot of gasoline and peso every day...

6000 watt is a peak you will maybe never reach.. aircon do not run full power 24 hours a day.. light more evening or nite..

 

calculate 6000 watts a day and for a months this is 4350 kw/h.. it would be over 50000 peso a month bill by an electric company like veco

normal consumption with aircon, tv, fan, fridge and so on is more like 300 to 600 kw/h a month

 

think about a smaller generator and maybe batterie backup for peak usage as to have running such a big generator all day long.

think about to lower energy consumption.. using devices with less energy usage

think about if you really need 3 aircons running at the same time and 10 fans?

 

formost read about this:

- Continuous Operating Time possible: 8.1 Hours for example with the Honda generator

- fuel tank: 24 liters..

- consumption 2,7 liters per hour...

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The peak load for when the a/c kicks in along with the rest of the load i.e. 5,500 watts is the size the gen set needs to be at peak or surge rating , in other words a generator might be rated at 4000 watts continuous with 5000 w peak , so you won't need 5,500 continuous . 

 

The other thing to look for is the power factor , if the power factor is 1 then kw and KvA are the same , if it's 0.8 then you divide the kw by the power factor to give KvA , so if looking at gen sets that have only KvA mentioned , with a 0.8. power factor you would then divide the kVa number by 1.25 ( that's 1 divided by 0.8 ) to estimate the wattage output of the set .

 

Example - 6 KvA with PF 0.8 ---  6000 / 1.25 = 4,800 watts .  If that was the continuous rating of the set , it would be big enough for your needs . 

 

I'd also recommend using a surge protector on the outlet that supplies the plasma tv , whether running on mains or genset but especially on the genset

 

Thanks. So I guess I can plug in both my 2x ref and 1x aircon since the peak will be able to take it. Also, my Plasma TV is plugged to a STAVOL 1000w AVR so I guess it's protected already.

 

 

 

hi i do not know much about power generators but 6000 w generater will take a lot of gasoline and peso every day...

6000 watt is a peak you will maybe never reach.. aircon do not run full power 24 hours a day.. light more evening or nite..

 

calculate 6000 watts a day and for a months this is 4350 kw/h.. it would be over 50000 peso a month bill by an electric company like veco

normal consumption with aircon, tv, fan, fridge and so on is more like 300 to 600 kw/h a month

 

think about a smaller generator and maybe batterie backup for peak usage as to have running such a big generator all day long.

think about to lower energy consumption.. using devices with less energy usage

think about if you really need 3 aircons running at the same time and 10 fans?

 

formost read about this:

- Continuous Operating Time possible: 8.1 Hours for example with the Honda generator

- fuel tank: 24 liters..

- consumption 2,7 liters per hour...

 

6000w will surely take a lot of gasoline and peso everyday BUT I don't plan to run it everyday. As stated in my post, I suspect that I will be only using it 3x a year during blackouts which lasts for 1 to 3 days. So in effect, total days it will run in a year would be roughly 9 days (excluding the times i will run the generator to warm it up regularly). I actually don't need to run 3 aircons at a time. My post only stated that I will be running ONE 2HP aircon (not 3) and FOUR electric fans (not 10)  =)

 

 

Anyway, does anyone here have any experience with ELEMAX generators? I've called them up awhile ago and their Elemax SH7600EX looks good. It uses a Honda Engine and all parts are Japan made. Nominal wattage is 6.5kvA and max is 7.6kvA. Price is around 70k. With this much wattage as reserve, I can surely use my aircon and my 2x ref at the same time. (no need to alternate its usage)

 

Thanks for the replies.

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Buy a petrol (gasoline) powered genset. I wouldn't put a lot of money into a generator that I intend to use only 3 times per year, for 1 to 3 days periods. 

Our power goes out here about once per week, for up to three hours.  I have a solar array charging a 120AH battery, that is connected to a UPS (of all things). It will power everything I need, for several hours, until the mains come back online. The following day, the battery is charged again, and continues to be until the following week, when I will need it again. Works pretty well for me. 

 

Alternatively, I could run a voltage inverter off the battery, direct. I may do that later, if I find I need more power than I do at the moment.

 

Before you ask, no, my current set up will not power a refrigerator, or an air-con. It would power the plasma television, though.

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I looked into what Carlo said and damn, even if I'm only going to run this 3x a year (1 to 3 days per blackout), it would cost me around P5,000+ in gasoline per day! I thought it over and i think I will remove my need to power an aircon.

 

In this regard, my nominal watts would run at around 1800watts while my max will hit around 2500watts.

 

If this is the case, I am now looking at the following as my choice of generators:

 

1) Honda EP2500CX (2300nominal / 2500max) = gas cost would be P1940/day

2) Elemax SH3200 (2500nominal / 3200max) = gas cost would be P1870/day

3) ???

 

At this point, I would like to get the best 2000watts/2500max generator that is within my budget (P65,000). Maybe I can look into getting a diesel generator so that I won't need to worry about the carbon build up in the carburator. (and diesel is said to be safer than gas). Push button starter would also be nice so that it would be easy for the girls to start the generator (in case im not around).  What other generators are in the same league with Honda/Elemax?

 

Is there also a generator wherein if you only use 50% of its capacity, the fuel consumption would go down?

 

Thanks

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i would take a look into your electricity bill.. i guess you will have only around 500 kw/h a months or 16 kw/h a day what means in averiage 700 watt a hour.. but aircon takes most and aircon takes the power mostly during days..

 

based on electricity bill you can plan a generator or a solution better..

without aircon i guess you will need 5 to 8 kw/h a day.. evening more as during day...

storing 1 kw/h in a batterie cost actual 5000 to 6000p

6 times batterie with 1 kw/h = 30000p (many devices will run long time with this)

 

you can fill up the batteries with solar panels..

150 watt solar panel = 7000p

you can load batteries during days a bit or the solar panels are able during days to power the fan and other devices... depending how much you wish you will have to spend money for it....

 

in addition or only you can buy a cheaper power generator and let charge the batteries again.. or use it for peaks in addition to solar and batteries

for example: 3500W 6.5HP GASOLNE GENERATOR W/ WHEEL ELETRIC START EPA for 17000p (ebay.ph)

this generator has outlet for 12volt and 220volt

12 liter tank for 8 hours usage

as soon you have batterie puffer the generator do not need to be such good anymore for some days a year.. the generator runs 2-3 hours to fill batterie.. then he has some hours or a day break again... (and you can sleep well without noise)

 

think about a mix from battieries, solar panels and generator... maybe 2 or 3 kw/h batterie buffer is already a good help for you and enough to cover 1 hour burnouts.. batteries can take the peaks too

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I looked around again and damn, I just found out a very good generator which would definitely suit me.

 

Generator: Elemax SH07D (Diesel) Sound Proof Type (67dB)

Engine: Kubota Z482

nominal : 6500watts

max : 7000watts

Fuel capacity : 28Liters

Continues operation:

Full Load = 10 hours (cost to run whole day = P3,024)

75% Load = 13.3 hours (cost to run whole day = P2,274)

50% Load =  16.5 hours (cost to run whole day = P1,833)

25% Load =  20 hours (cost to run whole day = P1,512)

 

Since I will be running it less than 2,000watts, I would be only spending around P1,650/day! (In contrast to P1,870/day if I use the elemax SH3200 and P1,941/day if I use the Honda EP2500CX)

 

Also, it means that in the event that I would like to use my aircon, the generator can easily handle it. This also has an electric starter and it uses diesel!!! It seems everything I want is with this generator. Question now is, how much does this cost and if its available in the Philippines. I hope it is as I would surely get this!

 

Does anyone know if this is being sold here in the Philippines? Thanks

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Does anyone know if this is being sold here in the Philippines? Thanks

 

You've been doing extensive research into generators. Yet, you have no idea if one that you are interested in is even sold here? 

I suggest you start using your favorite search engine again. 


I find it very difficult to believe that you are going through all of this, just to find that one generator to hold you over for 9 days per year. 

 

You know, when you first joined, I wasn't sure if you were a troll, or were just trying to get a moment to advertise. Now, I am pretty certain.

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Yes I  have been doing research but there are a LOT of generators to choose from and I've only started researching recently. I did google Elemax SH07D but I did not find any useful results. I could not call the shops I've called this morning/afternoon to inquire if they have this particular model since they are already closed at this time of the night.

 

This morning/afternoon I called I called Fil American Hardware (Tel 9125555 c/o Calyx) and Anonas Hardware (Tel 9221454 c/o Aurora). Calyx was the one who gave me a price on the Honda and elemax generators while Aurora gave me prices for Promate generators. However, I can't call them now since their shop is closed. I will be calling them tomorrow for sure. I also called sellers from sulit/olx (xxxxxxxx) and he gave me prices of elemax gas generators. It seems he doesnt have diesel generators since there isn't one posted in sulit/olx.

 

The reason why I asked here if someone knows if this particular model is being sold here  in the Philippines is that 1) the shop/persons that i called today are closed and 2) you guys might now an alterntive shop that would sell this cheaper than Fil american / Anonas / sulit-olx sellers.

 

 

By the way, why did you say that I am a troll or trying to get a moment to advertise? advertise what? I am here in this forum to ask help on generators as I want to purchase one for our home. I am a person who does extensive research before purchasing items. Call me crazy, stupid or such but that's how I am.

 

You said: "You've been doing extensive research into generators. Yet, you have no idea if one that you are interested in is even sold here?". I  would like to point out that I have done extensive research on GAS generators and I know that they are sold here. I have their prices already with me. However, it was only a few minutes ago wherein i found out about the Elemax Diesel generator (SH07D). Hence, it was only now wherein I asked if it is sold here.

 

You make it appear that I am committing a crime with my posts. If you want to check me out, then ask away and I will tell you anything you need/want to know about me then decide afterwards if I am what you say "a troll or someone to get a moment to advertise".

 

FYI, I am an old time member of pinoydvd, kotseaudioclub, sulit/olx, tipidpc, ebay(since 1999 with 100% positive feedback) and amazon. I am an admin at xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com and I own the domain xxxxxxxxxx.com. (username in forums ive indicated is either xxxxxx or xxxxxxxxx).  I am saying this so that you would not think of me as a troll or such. Go verify me if you wish.

 

Good day.

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