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Psychiatrists prescribe meds but don't do counseling.

 

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Getting off topic but I do wish you'd actually read what I wrote.   I specifically said - "not only military but at least something to deserve their perks"   VISTA, Peace Corps, Red Cross, anythin

I am surprised we have not talked about the POOR  health care service/s the VA has provided to our vets over the last many, many years....   The news in the US regarding this, is going rabid!   Th

I very seldom swear - at least on this forum- but this really pisses me off.   Just watched on FOX - VA official lie though his ass   THERE IS NOT SECRET WAIT LIST !!! And he's right. The motherf*

cebubird

There are some dedicated doctors. I had one as a primary doctor back in Florida. Also, an eye doctor who was very concerned about my eye condition, and after he knew I was moving here, he was so worried that I wouldn't have needed care, and prescribed enough meds/drops, etc to last for 6 months to bring with me.

He also made regular calls to the specialist I was seeing. Primary care doc also would make regular contact with outside docs to stay abreast of treatments.

Here--what I've seen at the clinic in Manila---not so much. Although I think at least 2 of the doctors who handle C&P exams DO care VERY much. I have actually had several doctors there tell me they HATE their jobs there.

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Most good doctors are very passionate about medicine, they have a skill/art that is admired and valued. Perhaps more than any profession in the world! They invest much more of their early years and treasure to achieve the title of MD, than any other profession.

 

Over the last generation...plus... the insurance companies have forced them to focus on office managment and $$$! Too protect themselves from lawsuits.

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Hooray! Shinseki resigns!

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I hate what we are finding out about the VA... on so many levels!

 

My father retired from his very successful practice in 1978 at age 56...and took a Chief of Surgery position at the Long Beach VA hospital. He was looking to reduce his 10/12 hour days (for 25 years) to roughly 8 hours per day so he could spend more time with my mother and my five teenage siblings. They moved from Green Bay to Long Beach.

 

Within his first week on the job, he was quietly informed by the administration that he was spending too much time seeing the vets to diagnose their issues and needs...all were WW2, Korea, and Vietnam.

 

He spent as much time as was necessary, just like his practice in Green Bay.

 

It seems 15 minutes was the freaking VA's time limit! In his private practice, the patient was yours from... start to finish! Diagnosis, treatment, and followup...very personal, and that is how he practiced medicine!

 

My father is a very stubborn man and continued to treat the vets his way...not one person ever called him on it because his patient outcomes were outstanding!

 

He got frustrated, left the VA four years later and went Locom Tenens to keep himself current in the medical field. He truely loved that and he took every opportunity to go to VA hospitals.........but under his terms only!

 

Point is... there are good healthcare professionals in the VA, it is the management/goverment that is at fault.

 

Everything you've said about the VA matches my experience as a clinician there.  I loved working with the Vets, but the administration bureaucrats drove me bonkers.  I was constantly at war with them because I didn't do things their way, I did things that was best for the Vet.  They did not like that at all.  I miss my work with Vets, but I don't miss the VA bureaucracy one twit!

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Hooray! Shinseki resigns!

Yes and No.....he took the shot...but the big Zero escaped..."see????? it was HIS fault not mine."  They should both be unemployed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Just saw a former surgeon with VA talking about how surgery stops at 3pm in VA hospitals, and they actually start slowing down prior to that to make sure they don't work past 3. He said good doctors cannot perform well there as the union employees know they basically can't be fired so they don't care. He said the VA is a "government bureaucracy that dabbles in health care"

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I hate what we are finding out about the VA... on so many levels!

 

My father retired from his very successful practice in 1978 at age 56...and took a Chief of Surgery position at the Long Beach VA hospital. He was looking to reduce his 10/12 hour days (for 25 years) to roughly 8 hours per day so he could spend more time with my mother and my five teenage siblings. They moved from Green Bay to Long Beach.

 

Within his first week on the job, he was quietly informed by the administration that he was spending too much time seeing the vets to diagnose their issues and needs...all were WW2, Korea, and Vietnam.

 

He spent as much time as was necessary, just like his practice in Green Bay.

 

It seems 15 minutes was the freaking VA's time limit! In his private practice, the patient was yours from... start to finish! Diagnosis, treatment, and followup...very personal, and that is how he practiced medicine!

 

My father is a very stubborn man and continued to treat the vets his way...not one person ever called him on it because his patient outcomes were outstanding!

 

He got frustrated, left the VA four years later and went Locom Tenens to keep himself current in the medical field. He truely loved that and he took every opportunity to go to VA hospitals.........but under his terms only!

 

Point is... there are good healthcare professionals in the VA, it is the management/goverment that is at fault.

Thank You Mike, and thanks to your father.  

 

It is unfortunate that the problems that are being pointed out within the VA now, have been going on since before 1978 - and every four year cycle at one point or another problems are being exposed and promises made to fix it.  But because there are so few Vets as compared to the General Population it isn't long before something "more important" comes a long and the Veteran Issues are swept under the carpet.  I wonder what it will be this time?

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Just saw a former surgeon with VA talking about how surgery stops at 3pm in VA hospitals, and they actually start slowing down prior to that to make sure they don't work past 3. He said good doctors cannot perform well there as the union employees know they basically can't be fired so they don't care. He said the VA is a "government bureaucracy that dabbles in health care"

This surgeon was a spokes person for the entire VA Organization?  

 

Granted I never had any surgeries done at a VA Hospital, but I have been admitted to ER's twice after 5 PM - I did not get the impression that the service was being cutback due to the time of the day.

 

I would bet at most large Medical Centers that surgeries are scheduled between 6/7 AM - 3 to 4 PM.  The infrastructures of hospitals is built around a 6 AM to 6 PM day, with the prime hours being 8-5 - that is just life in general Not the VA

 

So slowing down at 3 PM to allow the doctors time to finish rounds, visit with families of patients, to meet with staff and review the surgeries and don't forget the paperwork that every hospital in the world requires - you expect a VA Hospital to require their Docs to work 24/7 because the thought of having any Union Workers is unthinkable?

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Not sure about surgery but I could have had my examination for skin cancer either first thing in the morning - 9 am or last thing in the evening 3 pm.

 

This is after a 6 week wait of preliminary diagnoses - May 7th - June 20th..

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