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You DO NOT get to pick any doctor or hospital on Obamacare- you get to chose from the ones they say you can use.

 

The VA IS Obamacare only run better :sarcasm:

 

They pick your doctors, hospitals, medicines, and even if you get them. Yes, that's right - if they say you're too old for a hip - it's FU

 

 

 

I would have though by now anyone who has read the numerous posts would realize that the government has NEVER administered a program that works 

 

That includes the military - Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. Once they get their hands on it - it always goes to shit with graft, corporation, mismanagement, politics over what's required.

Never administered a program that works??? How about WWII? How about the national parks? How about the Food and Drug administration? The National Expressway system? Maybe the F.B.I., which if they had in the Philippines might help wrest the country from the elite clichés which run it for their own financial benefit.

 

Why are you posting here at all? You don't believe in government run programs. Of course you just go to your own private doctor and pay cash to get the problem you have now treated, right?? Or are you another who bashes the government and all their programs yet run to them when you have a problem? That's kind of hypocritical don't you think?

 

Their was no contract we signed which guaranteed us lifetime free health care. You got the health care you needed when you were in the service and if you got a condition which was caused by your service then you would get lifetime care for that. That was the contract.

 

The Obama administration has increased funding for the VA by a third and would have increased it more, including building 46 new facilities if they hadn't been stopped and had to compromise with budget cutting Republicans. Even as veterans from Bush's war (Irag) started to flood the system.

 

Over the entrance to the VA I go to, there are emblazoned the words of Lincoln when he started the VA. "For those Who Have Borne the Brunt of Battle and for their Widow and Child". Did you bear the brunt of battle? If you did and were wounded like a high % of those who actually do are, then the VA hospital system is for you.

 

If you spent a couple years or more at a safe duty station, that most look back nostalgically in a best time of their lives way, and you left the service in the best physical shape of your life like most do, then just don't bother with the VA. Why would you want to go to a FU'd government system anyway just find a doctor you like and pay cash for your treatment.

 

All who were in the military served, but some sacrificed. Leave the VA hospitals for them. Obamas problem was that in an attempt to serve all vets the system is being overwhelmed. The fact that it is by anti-government, guys like you is almost funny. This flood is making it so those who were actually harmed in war cannot get the best treatment in the world that they deserve.

 

I actually think I got better treatment when a Republican administration is in power. Why because the guys that are bellyaching now about the VA never got through the door. They believe like I do that the VA is for those who were wounded in war. Along with maybe those who after a strict means test prove to be too poor to afford care elsewhere. Democrats try to serve all despite republican imposed budget restraints. and are chastised when wait times get too long.

 

You anti-Obama rant guys, who have found in him a reason to leave the strain of rational thought behind, because you got the black guy to blame all things on, should just stop and pause and take a look at yourselves. Remember the Nazis blaming everything on the Jews. That's a theme through out history. Its easy and convenient to have a catch all scapegoat, but as Americans you need to be better men than that for our beloved country to survive.

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because you got the black guy to blame all things on, should just stop and pause and take a look at yourselves. Remember the Nazis blaming everything on the Jews

 Indirectly calling people racist and Nazis, who do not approve of Obama or agree with your point of view, isn't necessary to get your point across. 

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The main issue is Obamacare is it's  like the cable  companies.

 

Great deals and bargains to get you to sign but once you are it's we've got you now. Think Ponzi scam.

 

Have you ever seen a gov program the improves ?

Public housing - Google Carbrinigreens in Chicago

Food Stamps

Welfare

Iphone

Itablets

Etc., etc., etc.

 

Public programs only work when the public doesn't use them

 

If it is working for you and you've had no problems - great for you - not being sarcastic but what has your experience been so far? 

 

Got to see the doctor you wanted?

the hospital?

the treatment?

 

 

So far so good. I saw my doctor I use to see before the VA experience. He took me off a very old med that most prefer not to use anymore, but the VA still does because it's cheap. He put me on a Med that cost 435.00 per month. (Victoza)

 

It pays for all my prescriptions.It pays for my Wife's normal OBGYN.  it is basically just Blue Cross Blue shield just like i had at work but da gumbement pays for it now, instead of my working 70 hours per week. 

 

Aint' the government grand 

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Med that cost 435.00 per month. (

I am assuming that is 435.00 dollars and not pesos ?

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I am assuming that is 435.00 dollars and not pesos ?

 

Yes sir I am still in the states.  The same Drug is 200 bucks in the PI and the drug company still makes money.. Kinda makes you go hmmmmmmmmm

 

As for why i am on obama care being a good conservative libertarian.  I had VA. My wife had no Insurance. I tried to buy her a catastrophic policy (140.00) per month and planned to pay routine care myself. I was told her policy was not AHCA complaint and i would be fined.

 

So I said F it and signed her up for Obama care. After being in the VA for over a year and never seeing a doctor, being told 3 times they were going to make me an eye appointment and not doing it, My blood sugar going up and them not even willing to do anything other than call in a med, watching my buddy with chest pains being on hold for months to see a cardiologist, then having an abnormal stress test and still taking a long time to get a cath...I said screw this our health is too important  be in the VA. 

 

So I signed myself up for obama care, which required i drop out of the VA. It's about 100 and some change per month. 400 per year deductible and 600 per year out of pocket max. It's Blue Cross blue shield just like I had at work.

 

Do I feel guilty?

 

No I have paid 100's of 1000's in taxes over the years.If i did not sign up for obama care i would be fined.. 

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So I signed myself up for obama care, which required i drop out of the VA. It's about 100 and some change per month. 400 per year deductible and 600 per year out of pocket max. It's Blue Cross blue shield just like I had at work.

 

     Seems to me you got a good rate for health care but a $100 may be cheap to some and expensive for others depending on their financial status. I know several people in Florida that got dumped by Blue Cross Blue Shield when Obamacare went into effect. Most have other insurance know but are paying two and three times more than what they were paying before. 

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     Seems to me you got a good rate for health care but a $100 may be cheap to some and expensive for others depending on their financial status. I know several people in Florida that got dumped by Blue Cross Blue Shield when Obamacare went into effect. Most have other insurance know but are paying two and three times more than what they were paying before. 

I did .

 

the problem with healthcare in America is that we are paying for it. People are going to get sick, when they do they usually end up at the emergency room  and we pay for it anyway. My dad was an old country doctor back when health care was affordable.

 

Problems now

 

1. Way too many people in the health care field who administrate and don't provide health care. Then you need more admin people to admin the admin people. Insurance should be just that. Insurance for when things go bad, not something to pay your everyday needs. it's absurd that my doctor bill is 600 dollars and the insurance rate is 85.00 bucks.

 

2. Too many lawyers out there suing for everything under the sun. 

 

3. Doctors are spending too much time pre-certifying, retro reviewing and not enough rime practicing medicine.

 

4. Drug companies are charging exorbitant prices and using our judicial system to lobbyist written loopholes to extend patents that should have been expired years ago. Viagra is a great example.

 

5. We need more aid station type clinics with a medic that provide basic no frills health care. I had an ear infection the other night. i went to the doc in a box, the nurse said yup you got an ear infection, the Doc then saw me and said, yup you got an ear infection.  i had to pay 300 bucks to get told what I already know so i could get ear drops. Absurd.

 

Lastly the number one problem with America, although not directly related to health care it is a cause- paying people to have babies and the absolute moral and socialist decay that causes as generation after generation learn to subsite off the govt, while we flood the country with many millions of illegal aliens to do the work we pay them to sit ad home and not do.

 

And for the far right--As a former industrial manager... Lots of poor people out there who can't afford basic health care who bust their ass everyday at hard jobs. 

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Never administered a program that works??? How about WWII? How about the national parks? How about the Food and Drug administration? The National Expressway system? Maybe the F.B.I., which if they had in the Philippines might help wrest the country from the elite clichés which run it for their own financial benefit.

 

Why are you posting here at all? You don't believe in government run programs. Of course you just go to your own private doctor and pay cash to get the problem you have now treated, right?? Or are you another who bashes the government and all their programs yet run to them when you have a problem? That's kind of hypocritical don't you think?

 

Their was no contract we signed which guaranteed us lifetime free health care. You got the health care you needed when you were in the service and if you got a condition which was caused by your service then you would get lifetime care for that. That was the contract.

 

The Obama administration has increased funding for the VA by a third and would have increased it more, including building 46 new facilities if they hadn't been stopped and had to compromise with budget cutting Republicans. Even as veterans from Bush's war (Irag) started to flood the system.

 

Over the entrance to the VA I go to, there are emblazoned the words of Lincoln when he started the VA. "For those Who Have Borne the Brunt of Battle and for their Widow and Child". Did you bear the brunt of battle? If you did and were wounded like a high % of those who actually do are, then the VA hospital system is for you.

 

If you spent a couple years or more at a safe duty station, that most look back nostalgically in a best time of their lives way, and you left the service in the best physical shape of your life like most do, then just don't bother with the VA. Why would you want to go to a FU'd government system anyway just find a doctor you like and pay cash for your treatment.

 

All who were in the military served, but some sacrificed. Leave the VA hospitals for them. Obamas problem was that in an attempt to serve all vets the system is being overwhelmed. The fact that it is by anti-government, guys like you is almost funny. This flood is making it so those who were actually harmed in war cannot get the best treatment in the world that they deserve.

 

I actually think I got better treatment when a Republican administration is in power. Why because the guys that are bellyaching now about the VA never got through the door. They believe like I do that the VA is for those who were wounded in war. Along with maybe those who after a strict means test prove to be too poor to afford care elsewhere. Democrats try to serve all despite republican imposed budget restraints. and are chastised when wait times get too long.

 

You anti-Obama rant guys, who have found in him a reason to leave the strain of rational thought behind, because you got the black guy to blame all things on, should just stop and pause and take a look at yourselves. Remember the Nazis blaming everything on the Jews. That's a theme through out history. Its easy and convenient to have a catch all scapegoat, but as Americans you need to be better men than that for our beloved country to survive.

 

 

Good concise statement of your opinions - glad to see it for a change

 

WWII was pretty much hands off by the gov if I recall my history - they didn't try to mess with the generals decisions and the country wasn't run by political animals that  didn't care. OK a few times - but not like Korea or my war Vietnam.

 

My mistake - I should have specifically stated  social programs - by the way our highways and bridges are in great shape aren't they? 

 

If you spent a couple years or more at a safe duty station, that most look back nostalgically in a best time of their lives way, and you left the service in the best physical shape of your life like most do, then just don't bother with the VA. Why would you want to go to a FU'd government system anyway just find a doctor you like and pay cash for your treatment.

 

Me, USMC, 67 /71, Chulai 68, 11 months Naval hospital in South Carolina 1970 -  Colitis Agent Orange, partially deaf in both ears, PTSD, going in for examination for possible cancer specifically caused by Agent Orange, broken Coccyx, hit in head and leg (minor no lingering effects) 

 

 

 Retired, I paid my dues, honored ,my end of our contract and expect the gov to honor their's.

 

 

 

"You anti-Obama rant guys, who have found in him a reason to leave the strain of rational thought behind, because you got the black guy to blame all things on, should just stop and pause and take a look at yourselves. Remember the Nazis blaming everything on the Jews. That's a theme through out history. Its easy and convenient to have a catch all scapegoat, but as Americans you need to be better men than that for our beloved country to survive."

 

You're right I am more disgusted with him because he's black. I've said that before

 

Chicago - 1963 / 68 - active  in Civil rights movements as a high school student and adult -  read my other posts about him

 

He and Holder have done more to divide this country than the KKK and Aryan Brotherhood every could. He's pissed away every advantage people like me worked to give the blacks. Except for sucking at the public pig trough for his whole life.

 

Would I vote for a black man or woman? In a heartbeat if I thought they were qualified. Would I vote for a lying, fraudulent, Chicago Community Organizer white or black? NFW - in fact I didn't do it twice

 

I did my homework on him before the first election

 

Check out how he got elected in Illinois as part of Chicago machine that got his opponents kicked off ballots)

Check out his voting record (most present votes in our history)

Check out his qualification for being president (other than being black)

Read his 2 autobiography and determine his resentment of white people

Check out his good buddies

Bill Ayers who was a domestic terrorist and called killing policemen - extreme vandalism

Tony Riezko. - in jail for political corporation and kickbacks -also part of frustration land deal with Obama

Rev Wright  -  who has stated he hates white people - Obama  for 20 years he was part of his church 

 

The Obama administration has increased funding for the VA by a third and would have increased it more, including building 46 new facilities if they hadn't been stopped and had to compromise with budget cutting Republicans. Even as veterans from Bush's war (Irag) started to flood the system.

 

Like all progressives - the answer is throw money at it - Bail out, GM. Solendra, etc.

 

No accountability or responsibility. He specifically criticized Bush in 2007 about VA and said he was going to fix it,  another lie. You're saying he didn't know or didn't understand that during a war people are injured and therefore did nothing to prepare for them?

 

Wait, first you say he increased the VA budget by 1/3 then you say the Republicans cut it? I'm not a progressive so I don't adhere to Doublethink.

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No fan of Obama. I think he is a race bating bumbling empty suit. When he said, "Paraphrase"  The T martin case is important to me Becuse if i had a son he would look like him. He basically said i only give damn cause he is black. I don't think you can be more openly racist than that, but America yawned. sadly

 

I digress

 

some Govt programs have been ok, although not without problems. As an Industrial manger of over 25 years i will tell you that

 

OSHA- Has very clear rules that are well written and have saved 1000's and 1000's of lives and injuries since it came into being. Before OSHA we worked with no protection around dangerous chemicals, burning metal, exposed rotating machinery, we worked up high with no safety lines and 1000's perished every year. Just look at the people who died building Hoover Damn. So OSHA.. yes big success. 

 

EPA- Yes sometimes they are hard to deal with and they could stream line, however before EPA rivers caught on fire, ground water was highly toxic in places, we dumped raw sewage in rivers, etc etc etc. We are better off because of the EPA no doubt in my mind.


On edit the CDC in ATL does some pretty damn fine work also 

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No fan of Obama. I think he is a race bating bumbling empty suit. When he said, "Paraphrase"  The T martin case is important to me Becuse if i had a son he would look like him. He basically said i only give damn cause he is black. I don't think you can be more openly racist than that, but America yawned. sadly

 

I digress

 

some Govt programs have been ok, although not without problems. As an Industrial manger of over 25 years i will tell you that

 

OSHA- Has very clear rules that are well written and have saved 1000's and 1000's of lives and injuries since it came into being. Before OSHA we worked with no protection around dangerous chemicals, burning metal, exposed rotating machinery, we worked up high with no safety lines and 1000's perished every year. Just look at the people who died building Hoover Damn. So OSHA.. yes big success. 

 

EPA- Yes sometimes they are hard to deal with and they could stream line, however before EPA rivers caught on fire, ground water was highly toxic in places, we dumped raw sewage in rivers, etc etc etc. We are better off because of the EPA no doubt in my mind.

On edit the CDC in ATL does some pretty damn fine work also 

 

 

I amended my original testament to reference only social programs - but Obama is now trying to use EPA and one of his methods of promoting socialism -.

 

Have read that he's trying to get them to say guns (lead bullets) are environmental concern and hazardous to your health. 

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I amended my original testament to reference only social programs - but Obama is now trying to use EPA and one of his methods of promoting socialism -.

 

Have read that he's trying to get them to say guns (lead bullets) are environmental concern and hazardous to your health. 

 

We agree, the EPA has done some good work but needs to be more consumer friendly and get the radicals out.

 

you are dead on. The massive war on poverty hs only created more poverty and social decline.

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my very true V.A story.Spent 12 days in manila hospitol,flew back to usa after release and went to the va,sent me to see a doctor in va whom on this friday afternoon was more interested in going fishing than listening or helping me,it was 4th of july weekend i should mention but he was on duty and got rude with me and very obviously didnt answer any of my concerns and when i pressed to see a specialist he barked at me and threw his pen down on his desk.

 

2 weeks later i went to the files office and got printouts of my visit with him and when i read what he said he did to me and for me i was mad as burning hell and i wrot a scalding 2 page report on this doctor and went to the top dogs office in the va and had a sit down with him but it was his assist director as the top guy was on vacation so i gave the asst my report and he said he would take it to the top dog when he got back and they would follow up with me.

 

After 4 weeks i never heard a thing so i go to top dogs office and he is now in and i sit down and talk and he told me there have been others complaining about the same doctor and then he asked for my report and i said i gave it to your asst whom said he would hand it to you and top dog says he never seeen it or heard about it so we both walk over to his asst office and top dog asks about the report i wrote up and asst gets all weird and says ah oh its right here and he opens up his desk drawer and pulls it out,the fecker never intended to hand it over as he was in my eyes was covering up for the doctor hoping it all would be forgotten but i dont ever forget.

 

Right there i knew the va was covering shit up and then one day i asked about obama care to the lady whom was making copies of my files so i could bring to the ph with me and she complained to me that she might not get her bonus this year because they had to hire more office help which cut into the bonuses,poor thing.

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A great president once said " trust but verify"

 

With VA,  like most gov orgs "trust but call to make sure" since there is very little in the way of checks & balances let along accountability. get names and make sure they know you're writing it down. 

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Indirectly calling people racist and Nazis, who do not approve of Obama or agree with your point of view, isn't necessary to get your point across.

You missed the point of course. The point is scapegoating. Its the jews, its the blacks, its the whites, its the Tutsi's, its the mexican's its the welfare people, its the billionaires. .....Its not bothering to find out the real facts of a particular problem, and instead putting all things on your favorite catch all scapegoat. Its scared and weak minded people working themselves into a frenzy of hate, and enjoying the camaraderie by doing that of other like minded people. Its easier than faceing the real truth of the matter, or maybe even (dreaded of all things) take some of the blame or responsibility on themselves.

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