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Davaoeno

What if the guy doesn't owe anything, but is still on the black list? I wonder if they would still go through the same process? 

 

surely he knows if he owes fees or not ? Why not just ask them ?  [ or is that a dumb question ?  i know this is the Phil but still there should be a simple answer you would think ]

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Steve and Myrlita

What if the guy doesn't owe anything, but is still on the black list? I wonder if they would still go through the same process? 

Absolutely Paul. It is the job of BI to extract as many pesos as possible from foreigners.

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Paul

surely he knows if he owes fees or not ? Why not just ask them ?  [ or is that a dumb question ?  i know this is the Phil but still there should be a simple answer you would think ]

 

Sorry. What I mean is, what if the guy (any guy) doesn't owe anything in over stay fees, but is on the black list? I don't know, pick your poison - for any reason. I wonder if they would just go through the same process to get them removed from it. 

 

I wonder how it would be handled then. Just something to ponder, not really that important. 

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Davaoeno

Sorry. What I mean is, what if the guy (any guy) doesn't owe anything in over stay fees, but is on the black list? I don't know, pick your poison - for any reason. I wonder if they would just go through the same process to get them removed from it. 

 

I wonder how it would be handled then. Just something to ponder, not really that important. 

 

got it !  Your question is logical , but of course sometimes that isnt enough !! lol   [ for the filipino process i mean ]  lol

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Kuting

Thanks, guys. Katrina, you're a Filipina so it's different for you. And the last one is also helpful. This is a very useful topic and it should stay here, in my opinion.

Yes I agree, it was a bit different for me but i imagine the procedure is similar in a sense that your friend needs to pay, get a receipt as proof then to go Bi, i forgot to add that i also had a letter requesting my name to be lifted off the list--similar as been mentioned above. And your friend doesn't need a lawyer, just a representative, an authorised letter, pls take note most likely, all these documents should be notarised (this time you need a lawyer but you only pay them minimal, compared to when they actually apply for you).. Unless your friend doesn't know anyone here, then he might have to spend a bit more on a lawyer.

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Paul

 

 

The first thing comes to my mind, maybe others as well, is how he got out of the country without paying his overstaying fees. That's another problem.

 

That is a very good point. At the time I was an overstaying alien, I paid all my fees, prior to leaving the country. This was in December of 2006, or maybe January 2007?

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mabutiman

After contacting my embassy I was given a month to leave and never contacted by the BI ... everything was through the embassy who were very professional and helpful ...they provided me a letter from the BI detailing the amount owing before I departed and this was the amount paid by managers check by my representative before I returned ..however it was over 7 months after the required payment with the letter of request for a "lifting order" was submitted that I then decided to re-enter ...that's another story !! ... you must have a representative who is willing and able to go many many times to the BI as they will be told many different stories why its not processed ...patience required after all its the Phils !!

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Paul

 

 

however it was over 7 months after the required payment with the letter of request for a "lifting order" was submitted that I then decided to re-enter ...that's another story !

 

Not sure if you are willing to share that event, or not? If so, I am sure others would like to read it. I know I would. Feel free to start it in its own topic, as I feel it would be of exceptional value. 

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mabutiman

Yes why not ... well I spent 1.5 years in Cambodia which I thoroughly enjoyed ...a great country with many advantages over the Phils  ...many of these months were waiting for my representative to obtain the actual "lifting order" documentation that I wanted to carry to produce at NAIA on arrival in case the computer flagged me ....however after calling the BI a number of times and getting wrong extensions and "for a while" ...and my representative was very busy with their own business and becoming as frustrated as I was ...I then decided that I would fly from SR to Manila and explain to the BI at NAIA that my wife was missing after the typhoon in Leyte and as I was extremely concerned and knowing my lifting order had still not been processed I would be better off in face to face discussions than by remote control from SR ...so on arrival about 2am I approached the booth and presented my passport which initially was stamped to enter then as she was passing it back she looked at the screen again ..and then told me I was blacklisted ...which I knew of course ...so close ... so they escorted me to an area in the terminal where I spent the next 7 days with many others coming and going during that time ...from all countries ...its a detainable area that is part of the terminal ... lights and loud speakers with arrival /departures announcements going 24hrs a day ...so little sleep ...food was noodles and water and extras from 7-11 at your own expense ...clean cr's as the cleaners came by every 2 hours ...this area is managed by Cebu Pacific ...with guards and BI drop by every morning to try very hard to deport as many as possible ......every other person in my time there was sent back to the country they arrived from which by the way Cebu Pacific must contact first and advise why they are returning each passenger...this created some problems as some countries refused to accept .... ...meanwhile I was in contact with the BI from their office at NAIA ...and after producing all the relevant documentation and writing a letter to the commissioner explaining my status pleading my case I was finally allowed to enter ..my embassy refused any assistance and said it was not their concern when I called them from NAIA...but after sending an email of complaint later they replied to advise that was the wrong action and they should have at least called BI on my behalf !!

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mabutiman

I wanted to go back to my own country for another important reason and my visa was not up to date ...so naturally I was going to be black listed and my embassy arranged for my departure without any payment required ...I was completely voluntary and everything was handled by the embassy ...the secret I think is not to be detained by the BI ...just allow your embassy to do the negotiations ...if the BI gets to you before your embassy then I think you have problems ...

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Paul

That isn't so good if you are an American Citizen. Well, it wasn't in my particular case back in 2006, anyway. I was an overstaying alien then, by about two years. Personally, I wish they had NOT gotten involved. I was in better shape, although paying more for my "fees", before they were "helping" me. 

 

I will say that, somehow, unbeknownst to me, a guy from the embassy did ring me on my cell phone to ask how I was doing. He gave me his number, in fact, to call him if I needed anything. He told me the US Embassy had someone who monitored Yahoo Groups (which were quite popular then), and online forums, etc., for issues concerning American Citizens. He said that was how he found out about me being detained.

 

The Philippine government is supposed to contact your embassy if you are being held for any reason. Apparently, my "friend" who was in charge of the BI at that time, apparently "forgot" to do that.

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