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Who permanently lives in the Philippines on a limited budget, are hopefully aware of the consequences of being hospitalized there, in direct costs, they can be quite expensive. But in other country's it can cost you also, only based different, on a tax/income based system.

In Netherlands, the costs, monthly/yearly paid, are a  good part of your income, can be 23%,  in return for that they have a very good healthcare system.

Ireland is going that direction also, with many other country's going the same route over the coming years.

Maybe that system they are setting up in the USA is the same, I don't know.

 

 

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/dutch-health-insurance-costing-23-5-of-income-1.1752380

 

 

Dutch health insurance costing 23.5% of income Costs rising in universal health insurance scheme similar to that proposed in Ireland
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White Paper says universal health insurance will not be more expensive than two-tier system it is due to replace in 2019. Photograph: Andrew Matthews/PA Wire

Mon, Apr 7, 2014, 01:00

First published:Mon, Apr 7, 2014, 01:00

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Families in the Netherlands, which has a system of universal health insurance similar to the one Minister for Health James Reilly wants to introduce in Ireland, are paying up to a quarter of their income on healthcare, according to a report.

A family with a combined income of under €50,000 a year was paying almost €11,500 in health costs in 2012, or 23.5 per cent of income, according to the analysis by theDutch Health Performance Report for its government. Almost €6,000 of this was for health insurance premiums while the remaining €5,000 related to exceptional medical expenses.


Gross income
Michael van den Berg, one of the authors of the report, said the figure related to gross income and included premiums and taxes but not out of pocket payments. When these were included, for example for dental care and over-the-counter medicines, the total figure would be slightly higher.

The Government last week published its White Paper on universal health insurance (UHI), which is largely though not exclusively based on the Dutch model. Dr Reilly promised “everyone will be a winner” under the system, but critics claim it will be prohibitively expensive.

The White Paper says the new system will not be more expensive than the two-tier system it is due to replace in 2019. It say it isn’t possible to say what average premiums would be now, but suggests they would be lower than the average €920 paid by individuals in private health insurance premiums last year. However, the Department of Public Enterprise has suggested premiums could be more than €1,600 a year.


Costs rising
The health system in the Netherlands is highly regarded but, as everywhere, costs have been rising steeply. Health spending doubled in the last 11 years, from €47 billion in 2000 to €90 billion in 2011, according to the report.

The Irish College of General Practitioners has said research shows insurance-based systems are more expensive than tax-based systems as well as more expensive for individuals.

 
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Who permanently lives in the Philippines on a limited budget, are hopefully aware of the consequences of being hospitalized there, in direct costs, they can be quite expensive. But in other country's it can cost you also, only based different, on a tax/income based system.

In Netherlands, the costs, monthly/yearly paid, are a good part of your income, can be 23%, in return for that they have a very good healthcare system.

Ireland is going that direction also, with many other country's going the same route over the coming years.

Maybe that system they are setting up in the USA is the same, I don't know.

 

 

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/dutch-health-insurance-costing-23-5-of-income-1.1752380

 

Dutch health insurance costing 23.5% of income Costs rising in universal health insurance scheme similar to that proposed in Ireland

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White Paper says universal health insurance will not be more expensive than two-tier system it is due to replace in 2019. Photograph: Andrew Matthews/PA Wire

 

Paul Cullen

Mon, Apr 7, 2014, 01:00

First published:Mon, Apr 7, 2014, 01:00

 

Families in the Netherlands, which has a system of universal health insurance similar to the one Minister for Health James Reilly wants to introduce in Ireland, are paying up to a quarter of their income on healthcare, according to a report.

A family with a combined income of under €50,000 a year was paying almost €11,500 in health costs in 2012, or 23.5 per cent of income, according to the analysis by theDutch Health Performance Report for its government. Almost €6,000 of this was for health insurance premiums while the remaining €5,000 related to exceptional medical expenses.

 

Gross income

Michael van den Berg, one of the authors of the report, said the figure related to gross income and included premiums and taxes but not out of pocket payments. When these were included, for example for dental care and over-the-counter medicines, the total figure would be slightly higher.

The Government last week published its White Paper on universal health insurance (UHI), which is largely though not exclusively based on the Dutch model. Dr Reilly promised “everyone will be a winner” under the system, but critics claim it will be prohibitively expensive.

The White Paper says the new system will not be more expensive than the two-tier system it is due to replace in 2019. It say it isn’t possible to say what average premiums would be now, but suggests they would be lower than the average €920 paid by individuals in private health insurance premiums last year. However, the Department of Public Enterprise has suggested premiums could be more than €1,600 a year.

 

Costs rising

The health system in the Netherlands is highly regarded but, as everywhere, costs have been rising steeply. Health spending doubled in the last 11 years, from €47 billion in 2000 to €90 billion in 2011, according to the report.

The Irish College of General Practitioners has said research shows insurance-based systems are more expensive than tax-based systems as well as more expensive for individuals.

Irish healthcare totally sucks. I been there. Looks like 1950s in America. My brother in law child (filipino) was misdiagnosed to have chromes disease. They would not operate. We came here last april, rented condo, brother in law family came here in june. Chong ha doctor operated and fixed the boy. Ireland doctors wanted to experiment using super strong drugs. The mother is a nurse, she said no. . Socialized medicine totally sucks. You might think its good as you no other health care. American healthcare is super good. Now? With yomama care, not so sure.

 

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