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poby

I met a guy last night and over a few beers he mentioned his girlfriend is 17. He was surprised to hear that this a really bad idea especially considering he is over 18 (he is 63). He seems like a really nice guy but ignorance can be dangerous and It's easy for newcomers to this country to not realise matters relating to sex and age can be very different to back home. I thought it might be a good idea to remind people of the terrifying possible consequences of being with a girl under 18.

 

"The age of sexual consent in the Philippines is 12 for all, but contacts with minors (under 18) are an offence if the minor consents to the act for money, gain or any other remuneration or as the result of an influence of any adult person."

 

It's this last bit that makes it effectively illegal for anyone over 18 to have sex with one under 18.

 

According to Republic Act 7610, section 6, an "attempt to commit child prostitution" is deemed to have occured:

 

when any person who, not being a relative of a child, is found alone with the said child inside the room or cubicle of a house, an inn, hotel, motel, pension house, apartelle or other similar establishments, vessel, vehicle or any other hidden or secluded area

 

"child" is defined under the same act as being a person under the age of 18

 

So even simply being alone with a 17 year old in a hotel room is a serious breach of the law! Furthermore, the "child" doesn't have to complain, any close relative can lodge a complaint and land you in deeep hot water.

 

Whatever the rights or wrongs of the matter, disobeying the law has potential consequences. I don't judge anyone, it's enough for me to take care of my own ethics however I thought a timely reminder might help someone reading this to be careful and if in doubt, ask for I.D.

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Everyone makes "mistakes". Lusting after and seducing a minor old enough to be your great grand daughter, IMHO, is not a mistake. I believe they call it "sex tourism".

i wouldn't have the energy to keep up with a 17 year old

Yes an interesting paradox. Even though you married her and had no intent to take advantage of her. In some parts of the world you really would be arrested while the true criminal user would just walk

Bastos

"Stupid is as stupid does." Sometimes stupid can get ya killed. At the very least locked up in the jails of a 3rd world country. Hopefully this little 17 year old cutie is a pro and will take your buddy for every dime he has before her relatives turn him in for rape. JMO.

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Hummmm .... kinda harsh there Mr B ;):o B) :lol: ........ but maybe he deserved it as in his country he knew it was illegal to begin with ..... but now here is an interesting question ..... how does he get out of it ....... if he just leaves and she is p*ssed than she can turn him in ....... if he stays with her wonder how long before her family turns him in the first time one of them gets p*ssed at him ........ all in all I think he is in a bit of a pickle ...... damned if he does and damned if he doesn't ....... should have used his head (the big one) in the first place ...... sure glad I don't have that problem ...... :lol::P and I say this with the understanding that he just didn't know better ......... if he did ...... than back to Mr. Bastos to exercise punishment .......

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Apparently he wasn't the first guy she'd been with. The legal aspect however is the scary one. I've advised him to maintain the relationship at least until she turns 18 in a couple of months. I certainly wouldn't want to be in his situation and am always very careful about legal age which does vary from country to country so I'm not sure it would be illegal in his country. He was genuinely surprised when I suggested what he is doing is actually illegal. I hope everything works out ok for him as even though I only knew him for a few hours he does seem like a nice person and someone I hope to share a beer with again one day. I know many of us like nothing better than to impose our moral views on others but who amongst us can claim never to have made a mistake? I know I've made enough mistakes and have enough regrets that I certainly don't feel I have the right to judge others. But hey if you are on the shortlist to sainthood, I'm sure you can find a ready supply of stones...

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Everyone makes "mistakes". Lusting after and seducing a minor old enough to be your great grand daughter, IMHO, is not a mistake. I believe they call it "sex tourism".

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Apparently he wasn't the first guy she'd been with. The legal aspect however is the scary one. I've advised him to maintain the relationship at least until she turns 18 in a couple of months.

 

Even if when she's 18, it won't mean he can't be sued for what had happened when she was 17.

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Poby, this topic smells like a troll to me. ;)

There are moral view points and there is right and wrong.

A 63 year old man knowingly romantically involved with a 17 year old girl is wrong. Do you disagree?

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OK guys this is really going to open a can of worms ....... yes ...... the law says that any girl under the age of 17 is illegal and I agree ........ now does making her 1 year older at 18 with a 63 year old man OK?????? ....... in the eyes of the law ... yes .... but is it really OK ........ has she really matured during that last year????? ........ can she withstand a relationship both physically and emotionally?????? ....... my own personal opinion is ...NO .... but I do not judge those in these relationship ...... I might wonder a bit ...... but like the bakla incident ..... who am I to judge ......

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Apparently he wasn't the first guy she'd been with. The legal aspect however is the scary one. I've advised him to maintain the relationship at least until she turns 18 in a couple of months. I certainly wouldn't want to be in his situation and am always very careful about legal age which does vary from country to country so I'm not sure it would be illegal in his country. He was genuinely surprised when I suggested what he is doing is actually illegal. I hope everything works out ok for him as even though I only knew him for a few hours he does seem like a nice person and someone I hope to share a beer with again one day. I know many of us like nothing better than to impose our moral views on others but who amongst us can claim never to have made a mistake? I know I've made enough mistakes and have enough regrets that I certainly don't feel I have the right to judge others. But hey if you are on the shortlist to sainthood, I'm sure you can find a ready supply of stones...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i think i meet that guy ... from England ?? He was taking her hotel to hotel... Marriot.. Waterfront... Parklane.. Marco Polo but i thought he said the partents knew about everything ,, he was suppose to marry her or something like that.. Guy has a screw loose if you ask me.... a perv is a perv

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i wouldn't have the energy to keep up with a 17 year old

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OK, I am going to stir the pot. ;)

 

I am sorry guys but a 63 year old man involved with a teenager is not a normal relationship IMHO. I know most of us do not really care how others view us, but maybe we should think about the fact that besides sex, what could two people of such a vast age difference and from totally different cultures have in common!

 

Let me also state that I would have no problem if the lady was 21 years old or older because at that point she is in fact a woman, but think long and hard, can anyone actually say that a teenager really is mature enough to know what they want? I personally do not think so.

 

I am an American and when I see a baby (teenager) with an old man and yes, I am old too, even I have to think what is wrong with that man that he cannot satisfy a real woman, because I know that most male child molesters are men who go after younger women because they have a feeling of insecurity about themselves.

 

While and older man dating a younger woman is surely better than Viagra, :o and I am no one to judge others actions, we are guests in a country and I think we should be respectful of how others view our actions and I have seen plenty of Filipinos both male and female looking at those types of couples and making comments on what must be wrong with the man in the relationship and maybe it is because he has a tin tin. Think about it.

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It is good of you poby to enlighten the old guy about his error. Ignorance is no defense in the eyes of the law. As for the probity of a relationship between dissimilar ages, each to their own. Personally I like the idea that some old fart has one, two, or more young vixens on his arm. Doesn't bother me a bit. The more it locks up someone's jaw, the more girlfriends I hope he has. I love it when people who have decided they know how to run the world get it shoved right back in their face.

 

I spent a lot of time thinking I knew what was right, what was proper. Well, I knew what was right and proper for me. But for me to extend it out and make those decisions for everyone else. I was just loading them down with my limitations. I don't think messing with children is right, but once they turn 18 (or whatever the collective consensus is for allowing people their own decisions) then unless you are their daddy, tough. And if you are their daddy, even tougher.

 

My two cents worth.

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Well, we all have opinions and my wife is 20 years my junior as well, and we started talking when she was 23 and I was 43, but I had my misgivings about it and only after 3 years of getting to know each other did I feel that she was mature enough for me to see if we could make it in a marriage.

 

My comments were really directed at the many borderline child molesters or pedophiles who go to the Philippines because it is legal to have sex with very young women that are often willing to oblige them because of naivety and a hope for a better life.

 

I really feel that men from other countries have so much more experience than many of the naive ladies in the Philippines, that it is really not a fair thing to do to take advantage of them, but with that said, if a girl 18 is really mature enough then so be it. I just do not see how they can be. I have yet to meet an 18 year old that I would call a woman but I am sure that they must exist.

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I don't believe there is any inherant right or wrongness about numbers. A 17 year old COULD be much more mature than a 63 year old. I don't see anything wrong with a relationship.. why do you assume automatically that it is sexual? How about a 17 year old male and a 63 year old woman? It that also black and white?

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I have yet to meet an 18 year old that I would call a woman but I am sure that they must exist.

 

I am 37 and don't have patience with most women in their 20s... let alone teenagers. There's very little common ground.

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