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Any chewing tobacco available in Cebu? Local or otherwise, full leaf, snuff, long cut, doesn't matter.

I searched "chewing tobacco" and found nothing.

 

Thanks,

Todd

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Monsoon

Not sure about Cebu but it is available in select 'smoke' shops in Manila. Your best bet is to convert to Swedish Snus. American chewing tobacco will kill you, snus won't. Snus is available at a few places as well in NCR, but your best bet is to bring it with you. BTW - the american brands of "snus" are shit. Don't bother. Get it from sweden or don't bother. 

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Half Baked

Not sure about Cebu but it is available in select 'smoke' shops in Manila. Your best bet is to convert to Swedish Snus. American chewing tobacco will kill you, snus won't. Snus is available at a few places as well in NCR, but your best bet is to bring it with you. BTW - the american brands of "snus" are shit. Don't bother. Get it from sweden or don't bother. 

huh? I wouldn't mind finding some good chewing tobacco to chomp on here in Cebu, either. 

 

Still dont know if I understand your post.

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Monsoon

huh? I wouldn't mind finding some good chewing tobacco to chomp on here in Cebu, either. 

 

Still dont know if I understand your post.

 

Google, "Swedish snus" and then try "Swedish snus vs chewing tobacco" And read on. 

 

If we cross paths I'll be glad to let you try it. There is no comparison. Also, no disgusting spitting.

 

The fundamental difference is american chewing tobacco is fermented/cured. Swedish snus is not. Its only ingredients allowed by law are tobacco, water and other natural flavorings allowed to be added to food. Sweden has one of if not the lowest incidents of cancer in Europe, yet every other person there is using snus. 

 

By the way I have it shipped to me in both the US and Philippines. Philippines of course asks for some tax. The US doesn't bother me about it.

 

You can buy it retail in two places I know if in Makati. I don't know /doubt its available in Cebu unless you get in with the Swedish community? 

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Monsoon

Also, I recommend you go with the 'portion' style of snus. This is like a skoal bandit in the US. Regular snus isn't as easy to pack as chewing tobacco in the states. You'll end up with a mouth full of Copenhagen like flakes all over the place. But if you get used to it, some people prefer traditional snus vs. the portion (bandit) type. 

 

By the way, I haven't picked up a cigarette in quite a while, 8 or 9 months thanks to Snus. The only time I want one is when I have a drink and snus takes away the craving every time. I used to smoke a LOT. I would wake up and want one. Not so with snus. I basically have two to three snus a day regularly. If out and partying and everyone is smoking around me I might have a few more. Call it a crutch, I don't care. Im not smoking anymore and have no desire to. 

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Half Baked

Also, I recommend you go with the 'portion' style of snus. This is like a skoal bandit in the US. Regular snus isn't as easy to pack as chewing tobacco in the states. You'll end up with a mouth full of Copenhagen like flakes all over the place. But if you get used to it, some people prefer traditional snus vs. the portion (bandit) type. 

 

By the way, I haven't picked up a cigarette in quite a while, 8 or 9 months thanks to Snus. The only time I want one is when I have a drink and snus takes away the craving every time. I used to smoke a LOT. I would wake up and want one. Not so with snus. I basically have two to three snus a day regularly. If out and partying and everyone is smoking around me I might have a few more. Call it a crutch, I don't care. Im not smoking anymore and have no desire to. 

I've gone through the gambit of tobacco... chew, skoal, copenhagen, cigarettes, cigars..... Only puff a stogie now, from time to time.

 

I have NO clue what you are talking about when you say Snus.???

 

Been over 20 years that I gave up smoking the cigarettes. Longer than that for the Copenhagen.

 

Now, thinking about it.... I better wait a little bit longer before giving  those things a "try" again.

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ttmctoad

Thanks for the info. I suspected that chewing tobacco wasn't readily available in Cebu or most of the Philippines for that matter.I remember guys buying a can of Copenhagen off-base at Subic Bay from time to time and it was way overpriced and usually stale. I'm going to investigate Snus..

Hopefully, I can break this habit before I move to Cebu.

 

Thanks Again,

Todd

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Gerald

Not sure about Cebu but you can buy leaf tobacco on the streets here in Dumaguete.

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streak03

I found Copenhagen at SM in Bacolod, it was sort of on the expensive side,300 peso per can. 

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Panserhansen

Copenhagen and Skoal can be found cheapest at Kultura, SM for 300 peso a can. Add 100 and you can buy it also at several tobacco stalls in Ayala and Robinson's Fuente.

 

Swedish snus you can order online. They send with UPS and is delivered within 2-3 days. http://www.buysnus.com/ is one of the places you can order. You will usually be charged some taxes, but overall you should end up paying 270-300 a can incl taxes, depending on what brands you order.

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BossHog

http://www.tabaqueria.com/ sells Copenhagen and Skoal. P 1498.75 per 5 tins.  Just under 7 bucks a tin. What does it cost stateside now? That's a good site to order Philippine cigars from too.

 

 Also, some of the big American online tobacco retailers will ship here. You're going to get fresher quality chew that way but you may get stuck for duty. Best to have a friend stateside order and send you a roll of Cope or a ten count box of Red Man or whatever. Lil Brown Smoke Shack is the best online retailer for selection and price of chew/snuff. They even carry the old fashioned Cotton Boll plug. http://www.lilbrown.com/c-176-leaf-and-plug.aspx

 

I think the snus they're talking about is similar to something like W.E. Garrett Scotch Snuff if you're familiar with that.

 

 

 

Hopefully, I can break this habit before I move to Cebu.

 

Not time to quit! One of the great benefits of living here is our access to good quality leaf tobacco at great prices. You're in for a treat. There are huge amounts of quality virginia and burley tobaccos grown especially on Luzon. Dark native tobaccos too. There's at least one sari-sari store in almost any village in the country that will sell tobacco leaves individually or in threes..Ask them who their supplier is and arrange for him to visit you next time he comes through town. Ours visits weekly. Or just head to the biggest local market and ask around. Sometimes the bulk sellers lurk around the market since they don't pay tax and you gotta search them out.

 

I pay between 600-1000 pesos for a hundred leaves. Comes out to about two pounds.  Best tobacco is the virginia marked "AA" which is the export grade.  The best burley is graded 'A" and the best native/dark tobacco is graded 'M-1'. Don't bother buying anything less than C-grade virginia or burley and avoid the dark tobaccos, L-1 or L-2.

 

Making your own chew isn't hard at all: Get a big kettle and boil down a liter box of apple juice until about half the liquid or more is gone. Turn off the heat and add leaves cut to your preferred size. Coat the leaves in the apple syrup and add molasses to taste. Add a few pinches of salt. Tthe molasses made in the Philippines is very good if you buy the gallons right from the maker. It comes mostly from Negros sugarcane plantations. Anyways, tons of online recipes for preparing chew. You can experiment with adding flavors, too. My buddy from Texas used to chew the leaves straight up until I showed him how to cook a batch of chew and he's never looked back.

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BossHog

Funny coincidence occurred right after I typed the above post this morning:

 

I had a neighbour sharpen up some machetes for me and replace the wooden handles on two of them.

 

Not having any cash on hand when he came by he asked me If I'd give him some of my AA golden virginia. They retail in town for 25 pesos a leaf.

 

Tried to give him six leaves but he reckoned the job was worth five and that's what he took.

 

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samatm

I gave up my Coppenhagen smokeless habit  14 years ago in Manila.   I could still find it..but it was harder and more expensive to find so I had my last dip on Dec 31st 1999.  I have only missed it occasionally after the rough initial weaning off period.     Moving here will give you a good reason to quit.   You of course can still find it as mentioned above..but its not in your face at every gas station and store.   NO regrets.   My wife wasn't happy though as we used to share the same spittoon. (just kidding if you are reading honey) 

 

Need some goal setting poster material:   plenty more at :   search google images  "smokeless tobacco effects"

 

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I pay between 600-1000 pesos for a hundred leaves. Comes out to about two pounds.  Best tobacco is the virginia marked "AA" which is the export grade.  The best burley is graded 'A" and the best native/dark tobacco is graded 'M-1'. Don't bother buying anything less than C-grade virginia or burley and avoid the dark tobaccos, L-1 or L-2.

 

Making your own chew isn't hard at all: Get a big kettle and boil down a liter box of apple juice until about half the liquid or more is gone. Turn off the heat and add leaves cut to your preferred size. Coat the leaves in the apple syrup and add molasses to taste. Add a few pinches of salt. Tthe molasses made in the Philippines is very good if you buy the gallons right from the maker. It comes mostly from Negros sugarcane plantations. Anyways, tons of online recipes for preparing chew. You can experiment with adding flavors, too. My buddy from Texas used to chew the leaves straight up until I showed him how to cook a batch of chew and he's never looked back.

 

 

Thanks BossHog. You've covered all the bases concerning my question. One less thing to worry about. Was not looking forward to paying for stale imported tobacco. Now I'm looking forward to learning how to make my own. I'm no connoisseur, really just need a tolerable, reasonably pleasant, nicotine delivery system.

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BossHog

 

 

I wouldn't mind finding some good chewing tobacco to chomp on here in Cebu, either.

 

I could mail you a pouch of homemade chaw, E.B.

 

See how you like the stuff before going to the effort of making it yourself.

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Monsoon

I gave up my Coppenhagen smokeless habit  14 years ago in Manila.   I could still find it..but it was harder and more expensive to find so I had my last dip on Dec 31st 1999.  I have only missed it occasionally after the rough initial weaning off period.     Moving here will give you a good reason to quit.   You of course can still find it as mentioned above..but its not in your face at every gas station and store.   NO regrets.   My wife wasn't happy though as we used to share the same spittoon. (just kidding if you are reading honey) 

 

Need some goal setting poster material:   plenty more at :   search google images  "smokeless tobacco effects"

 

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These are the effects of american style chewing tobacco which has been cured at higher temperatures and perhaps other additional chemicals added.  

 

From practical experience when I used american chewing tobaccos in the distant past I used to get noticeable effects on my gums, sores, 'white dead tissue' etc. I do not get this from snus. I also use far less snus than cigarettes or chew. I attribute this to there being no other chemical additives. 

 

The rest i have taken from an article I found, but have read the same thing in many different places. There have even been government studies in Sweden. No health care institute will come out and say 'using tobacco is safe.' But when it comes to snus, its safer than the alternatives (except abstinence of course). 

 

The first primary difference between the two varieties of smokeless tobacco is that unlike dip, there is no need to spit while using snus. This is due to the processing of the tobacco used to make each variety. Whereas dip is fire cured, Swedish Snus is pasteurized, thus taking out the harshness of the juice and allowing you to swallow. Personally, I find that snus is superior to dip in work in school environments, as well as other places where you may not be able to spit.

The issue of curing also brings about the next difference between the two types of tobacco, health implications. Snus has been shown to contain substantially less quantities of tobacco specific nitrosamines (TSNAs) than dip, and it is these TSNAs that are often implicated in causing cancer among healthy individuals (one variety of dip contained 127ppm of TSNAs compared with 3.7ppm with a type of Swedish snus). However, in comparison to cigarettes which contain over 1,000 TSNAs per cigarette as well as tar and other chemicals, both are much safer alternatives to cigarette smoking.

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Half Baked

I could mail you a pouch of homemade chaw, E.B.

 

See how you like the stuff before going to the effort of making it yourself.

Not sure how to go about doing that.  Sounds like something I wouldn't mind, though. Thanks, Boss.

 

IM me and let me know how .

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throttleplate

I used Copenhagen for many years while in the military,when I got my physical for release the dentist looked at my teeth and gums and said I have receeding gum line from the snuff being stuffed in my lower gums and I had white spots on my lip.I immediately quit,had withdrawls such as headaches but still have my gums and lower jaw.

 

What I liked about Copenhagen was it gave me a intense buzz or a relaxing buzz depending on time of day and I enjoyed the spitting,something about spitting made it more enjoyable.I always was able to drink beer and have a dip in my lip,it took some practice but I mastered it,also I never swallowed it but some guys did,i never could understand why they swallowed Copenhagen or the less harsh skoal or Kodiak.

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samatm

I used Copenhagen for many years while in the military,when I got my physical for release the dentist looked at my teeth and gums and said I have receeding gum line from the snuff being stuffed in my lower gums and I had white spots on my lip.I immediately quit,had withdrawls such as headaches but still have my gums and lower jaw.

 

What I liked about Copenhagen was it gave me a intense buzz or a relaxing buzz depending on time of day and I enjoyed the spitting,something about spitting made it more enjoyable.I always was able to drink beer and have a dip in my lip,it took some practice but I mastered it,also I never swallowed it but some guys did,i never could understand why they swallowed Copenhagen or the less harsh skoal or Kodiak.

 

TP  I can relate. 

Just like smoking there were times of day that were just not complete until  "...just a pinch between the cheek and gum."       The drive from Houston to Okie City was a one can event.  Cope n Coffee was  not a bad marriage.    Still love to thump can of snuff to pack the tobacco..    Ok..better stop thinking about or I might fall off the wagon.   but yeah the cope buzz was and  flavor were nice .   But still very happy not  to mess with the mess anymore! 

 

I had the white spots many times.. one abscess scared me  cold turkey for a month but it was easy to get started again.  

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Philtex

Bought at Gasino Mactan before. Red Man.

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Boss Ross

Any chewing tobacco available in Cebu? Local or otherwise, full leaf, snuff, long cut, doesn't matter.

I searched "chewing tobacco" and found nothing.

 

Thanks,

Todd

I am fairly certain I saw what looked like Levi Garette at a stall in the SM Mall. Have a friend who chews home made and I was going to buy him some as a treat. Can't say exactly where it was but it is a stall in the halls, not a store.

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Denis

 

 

Or just head to the biggest local market and ask around.

heaps in argao market...

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BossHog

About flavoring chewing tobacco:

 

You can use the food flavoring oils used in making hard candies to flavor your chaw.

 

LorAnn (available on Amazon and seems to be the preferred brand) makes good quality food grade oils. Just be careful to start with a TINY amount. They're very concentrated. Much more so than what you'd find at the grocery store.

 

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http://www.amazon.com/LorAnn-Candy-Flavoring-Oils-FLAVORS/dp/B006OG0B9Y/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1385364874&sr=8-3&keywords=LorAnn+oils

 

If you like Beechnut you can opt for spearmint or wintergreen.

 

My other choices would be apple, apricot, peach, and maybe even mango.

 

Would skip the peanut butter and bubblegum flavors, lol.

 

I'm sure you can buy flavor oils here but not sure about the quality/strength. Very light though and maybe something to throw in your luggage.

 

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Also found some recipes today for Swedish snus. Basically you pulverise the tobacco in a meat grinder into a fine powder, mix with salt water amd bake for 24 hours at low temp. Mix again and bake 12 more hours. The recipe I found makes two kilos of snus! Will experiment after my first harvest comes in in a few months and has been dried/cured.

 

Will keep you guys in mind to be guinea pigs when the first batch is done.

 

&&&

 

No Fixed Address: the Maryland 609 seeds you sent are germinating now. Hoping to move them to seed trays by midweek. Photos to follow.

 

 

 

 

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Monsoon

About flavoring chewing tobacco:

 

 

Boss you got me very intrigued now about making my own... 

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