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cebubird

I know there has been much discussion on here of spouses being turned down for tourist visa, yet spousal visa seems to be basically automatic as long as income/support is no issue.

My question is why is the tourist visa turned down 99% of the time, when a person can just turn around and apply/obtain the spousal visa?

From what I have heard/read, the consensus is because the dickhead doing the interview thinks the spouse will just stay in the US.

To my logical common sense way of thinking, that makes absolutely no sense.

Why would I want to take my wife there and live permanently and not be able to have her apply for SSN green card, etc.?

Can someone explain this line of thinking to me?

If we want to stay, we get spousal visa-if we want to visit, we get tourist visa.

What is complicated or hard to understand about that?

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Bill, stop trying to think logically about this subject. You are talking about the US State Department here. Logic doesn't apply.   No...really...this is just one way your government can show their

My wife got approved first time interview for a 10 year multi entry visa. She had zero ties to the Philippines and made it clear to the interviewer.    I'd hardly call it impossible like some in thi

I know there has been much discussion on here of spouses being turned down for tourist visa, yet spousal visa seems to be basically automatic as long as income/support is no issue. My question is why

You're talking about the Govt there is no common sense :snap:

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Bill, stop trying to think logically about this subject. You are talking about the US State Department here. Logic doesn't apply.

 

No...really...this is just one way your government can show their displeasure in any American man who would actually CHOOSE to live in a foreign country and marry a foreign wife. After all, what American man would do such a thing? Haven't they all been subdued to the point of no longer expecting anything better? You are setting a bad example for those still living in the US under the social system they now have. Add to that the fact that your government considers ALL American men living in the Philippines as sexpats, and you can quickly deduce what they consider your wife to be.

 

By labelling you, it makes it easier for them to denigrate and demonize you, which is what they want. If the rules for spousal visas could be changed without causing them to look really stupid in front of the world, they would give you a hard time with that as well. Face it. As long as the "liberals" are in charge, nothing will change.

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these people would not give a 5yo child a visa to visit his grandparents and to attend a USCIS hearing for this childs citizenship. GO FIGURE?

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I know there has been much discussion on here of spouses being turned down for tourist visa, yet spousal visa seems to be basically automatic as long as income/support is no issue.

My question is why is the tourist visa turned down 99% of the time, when a person can just turn around and apply/obtain the spousal visa?

From what I have heard/read, the consensus is because the dickhead doing the interview thinks the spouse will just stay in the US.

To my logical common sense way of thinking, that makes absolutely no sense.

Why would I want to take my wife there and live permanently and not be able to have her apply for SSN green card, etc.?

Can someone explain this line of thinking to me?

If we want to stay, we get spousal visa-if we want to visit, we get tourist visa.

What is complicated or hard to understand about that?

well it could  be that of the almost 1 million illegal over stayers ... my wife has meet and now knows about 20 people from the philippines and 3 of them are illegal and came as (( 2)) tourist and one as a B1 worker so that is 3 out of 20 already...   a place she used to work had a women who came to the usa to marry a guy from California she ditched him in the first 10 days and came to Arizona where her cousin has a business and she has been here over 7 years..

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I wrote to my Senator and I have attached his response to that answer.  It is the official answer you will get from anyone in the Government.  It is wonderful he wrote back to me yet provided no solution to the issue.  It is the way it is. 20110527152118275.pdf

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I know there has been much discussion on here of spouses being turned down for tourist visa, yet spousal visa seems to be basically automatic as long as income/support is no issue.

My question is why is the tourist visa turned down 99% of the time, when a person can just turn around and apply/obtain the spousal visa?

From what I have heard/read, the consensus is because the dickhead doing the interview thinks the spouse will just stay in the US.

To my logical common sense way of thinking, that makes absolutely no sense.

Why would I want to take my wife there and live permanently and not be able to have her apply for SSN green card, etc.?

Can someone explain this line of thinking to me?

If we want to stay, we get spousal visa-if we want to visit, we get tourist visa.

What is complicated or hard to understand about that?

well it could  be that of the almost 1 million illegal over stayers ... my wife has meet and now knows about 20 people from the philippines and 3 of them are illegal and came as (( 2)) tourist and one as a B1 worker so that is 3 out of 20 already...   a place she used to work had a women who came to the usa to marry a guy from California she ditched him in the first 10 days and came to Arizona where her cousin has a business and she has been here over 7 years..

So...turn her in to ICE.

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It was nice that Cornyn replied(one of the good guys), but again it makes ABSOLUTELY no sense to deny a guy and his wife when they have been married for years, have child/children,residence, etc.but then turn right around and give the spousal visa.

Guess Headshot and Papa Ray best hit it on the head with their comments.

Well, at some point, maybe during next year(God willing)once we are pretty well squared away in our home, I/we are going to try, as I really need to see eye specialists in US. In my cover letter I am going to emphasize in capital letters that IF we wanted to go and stay, then we would be HAPPY to file the spousal visa. In addition to all of the other facts, my wife/we have already established that she wasn't going to stay there as we never changed her status when she went to the US for us to get married. We came back here instead.

I would sincerely hope that it's more likely Papa Ray--just no logic or common sense from career jackasses, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Headshot wasn't right that it's just the liberal dem "mind"set

Sen Cornyn simply quoted the SD bs--just for Curiosity I might write Sen Rubio and see if he just quotes the SD line.

Tim-You should write your jr senator Cruz and see what he says.

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. In addition to all of the other facts, my wife/we have already established that she wasn't going to stay there as we never changed her status when she went to the US for us to get married. We came back here instead.

Since she has already been to the US and left on time she supposedly will have a much better chance to get a tourist visa. The answer to your OP though is partially spelled out in the end of the second paragraph of Sen. Cornyn's letter to Tim. The applicant for the tourist visa is the wife, not the husband for the wife. She must prove ties to the RP and having an American husband actually proves ties to the US. As weird as it seems, being married to an American makes her less likely to get a visa to America. Go figure.

 

Again though, your wife has been to the US and left appropriately so she should have a pretty good shot to get the tourist visa.

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The best answer that I received from a government official was that the difference is that tourist visa approval is discretionary where a spousal visa can not be denied except in cases of certain diseases, criminal record, or fraud.

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The best answer that I received from a government official was that the difference is that tourist visa approval is discretionary where a spousal visa can not be denied except in cases of certain diseases, criminal record, or fraud.

 

So in real speak, the law prevents them from fecking with you, so they can't, much to their dismay.

 

Gawd I hate Governments!  Bureaucrats even more.  Bureaucrats who work for Governments most of all.

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I know there has been much discussion on here of spouses being turned down for tourist visa, yet spousal visa seems to be basically automatic as long as income/support is no issue.

My question is why is the tourist visa turned down 99% of the time, when a person can just turn around and apply/obtain the spousal visa?

From what I have heard/read, the consensus is because the dickhead doing the interview thinks the spouse will just stay in the US.

To my logical common sense way of thinking, that makes absolutely no sense.

Why would I want to take my wife there and live permanently and not be able to have her apply for SSN green card, etc.?

Can someone explain this line of thinking to me?

If we want to stay, we get spousal visa-if we want to visit, we get tourist visa.

What is complicated or hard to understand about that?

well it could  be that of the almost 1 million illegal over stayers ... my wife has meet and now knows about 20 people from the philippines and 3 of them are illegal and came as (( 2)) tourist and one as a B1 worker so that is 3 out of 20 already...   a place she used to work had a women who came to the usa to marry a guy from California she ditched him in the first 10 days and came to Arizona where her cousin has a business and she has been here over 7 years..

So...turn her in to ICE.

Why she is not hurting me and to be fair there are 11 million other illegal people from mexico here also.. but i would think this could be one of the reasons tourist visa are hard to get , i too used to think the government was just being cruel to people from the philippines but i see that is not always the case and the at one time they must of giving out visitor visa with out problems ..

 

 

 

 

. As of the 2010 Census there are 3.4 million Filipino Americans, including Multiracial Americans who are part Filipino, with the United States Department of State in 2011 estimating the population at 4 million   this could be the reason its so hard to get a visitors visa just to many dont come back and with so many having family its just to easy to overstay 

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Why she is not hurting me and to be fair there are 11 million other illegal people from mexico here also

Not your table huh?
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The best answer that I received from a government official was that the difference is that tourist visa approval is discretionary where a spousal visa can not be denied except in cases of certain diseases, criminal record, or fraud.

 

 

Guess that more or less makes Papa Ray and Headshot EXACTLY right!!!

 

So in real speak, the law prevents them from fecking with you, so they can't, much to their dismay.

 

Gawd I hate Governments!  Bureaucrats even more.  Bureaucrats who work for Governments most of all.

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having been in an interview ... my wife was also turned down for a visitors visa but later did get an IR1 but most of the harsh treatment at the US embassy is not directed at you by  Americans who work in the Philippines  but by people from the Philippines working at the us embassy  

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