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NM1938

Littlejohn is to commended in sharing what he knows about papaya leaf extract cure (PLXC).  The findings of Doctor Sanath, published in the British Medical Journal have gone unchallenged since 2008.

 

My wife's now teen son, who chose to live in Leyte because I insisted he attend school and not internet cafes during school hours, contracted dengue fever last year, 2012.  We immediately texted his relatives to inform the doctor to let him drink camote tea.  The doctor agreed with one reservation being he was under their care, do not use the leaves with the red color.  Kim drank the tea, in three days he was ready for discharge but was kept for two additional days until we wired the money for the total bill.

 

The doctor explained his rapid recovery to his drinking lots of water.  What the doctor did not mention, the boiling of the camote leaves for 5/minutes was an ingredient in the water.  The fact that PLX, camote, tawa tawa, and neem, speedily raises platelets and white blood cells within the first 24/hours is an undisputed fact to this day.

 

This is all public information printed in outstanding medical journals and nationally known newspapers.

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thebob

NM1938. Have you read Doctor S Hettige's paper? Here is a link to it.

 

http://cgpsl.org/downloads/pdf_cgpsl/7.pdf

 

It is a study of 12 people, only 6 of whom were confirmed serologically positive. This paper was never published in the BMJ, a response to the editor was published in 2011.

 

http://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/11/03/repapaya-leaves-speedy-rise-platelet-count-dengue

 

Although the original article was cited with a publication date in 2008, many of the references date from 2009.

 

It is a poorly thought out, ambiguous, inconclusive study, by a doctor without experience in clinical research. It has become "viral" because of the implications of it's title, not because it has any meaningful content.

 

A meaningful quote from the paper states

 

"The usual management of the patient continued before and after the carica papaya depending on the patient’s clinical condition which was mainly fluid orally,anti emetics, paracetamol and antibiotics in few patients. "

 

So the carica papaya was given simultaneously with the usual treatments!

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USMC-Retired

i do not know but I had this in 2010 and all I did was drink plenty of liquids kept my self hydrated.  I had the occasional OJ and gatoraide but for the most part lots of water.  I took tylenol for the headache and fever.  Other then that I was just trying to stay relaxed.  Fever came and went in waves.  I could go a few hours and feel great then bam like a Mack truck hit me.    

 

I think most are just old wives tales and do not really actually do much.  However herbal remedies that are healthy for you in the first place can really not hurt.  

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However herbal remedies that are healthy for you in the first place can really not hurt.

 

Of course they can. So called "herbal remedies" become popular because they have some kind of pharmacological effect. This can contra indict the recommended course of treatment. 

 

http://whatstheharm.net

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USMC-Retired

Of course they can. So called "herbal remedies" become popular because they have some kind of pharmacological effect. This can contra indict the recommended course of treatment. 

 

http://whatstheharm.net

Read just a couple of things on that site.  Those are wacked out people.  If you are wacked out go see a doctor.  

 

Her parents and grandmother thought she was possessed by a demon, so they attempted an exorcism. They forced her to drink huge quantities of water. The grandmother, mother and a neighbor were convicted of manslaughter.

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NM1938

thebob...   It is Doctor Hettige, in the first person, writing to the editor of the British Medical Journal, not someone else as you suggest in your comment of the article.  Dr. Hettige is call attention to his publications in the Sri Lanka Family Journal of 2008.  I know the links and many more.

 

We all come to conclusions over what we read and that is fine.  The validity of his findings, beginning in 2008, are now being confirmed, endorsed, and embraced.  In recent issues, The Times Of India with these two headlines:  2012 editions-- Home Cure For Dengue Death Sting;  Neem-Papaya Juice Passes Dengue Test.  Both articles refer to research institutions that endorse the findings of neem and papaya leaf extract as being a cures for dengue fever.

 

Board Certified and Licensed practitioners are finally getting the validations, credits, endorsements and recognition they deserve.  People are experiencing the benefits suggested in and now being published for the world to see.  I learned of the camote tea cure just by reading the Inquirer in 2011.  Good for my wife's teen son, I remembered what I read.

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USMC-Retired

The only medical study on Papaya is (papin and Chymopapin) is that it will help break down enzymes that prevent you from belching and farting.   However all you have is hypothesis on what may happen.  There is no actual study on this.  There was no formal research just let us see in 2008 but no follow-up to the initial findings.  Click Here

 

Just to quote your good doctor:

 


 

However, no formal research has been done on the subject.

 

 

 

Up to date there is no specific treatment for dengue fever
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NM1938

Littlejohn / Headshot...

 

Reading through this blog I see what my grandmother often told me; "You can lead a horse to water-- but you can't make the horse drink".  When I read the post by Headshot about tawa tawa, that gave me great relief, people know, and research is struggling to catch up with not only what grandma knew, but what her mother knew.

 

Until tawa tawa was pointed out to me by a neighbor, I'd been walking all over it and pulling it out from the edges of my veggie garden.  Now I have a great respect for that weed.  Thanks for posting the study link, it's in my files too.

 

Knowing is one thing.  Doing is another thing.  As long as medical professionals continue counselling patients; "There is no cure for dengue fever"; yes, mosquitoes will continue to win this battle.  Even in Asia, even though my neighbors inject tawa tawa when I mention papaya, knowing is one thing-- doing is another thing.

 

Extracting one or more healing ingredients from plants, trees,  or even animals, breaks the thousands of unknown properties that were put there in a balancing act of nature.  If the tawa tawa posting doesn't speak facts and truths-- then I will remember my grandmothers words and continue on my quest.

 

Young children and infants die in a very high percentage than adults when their condition advances to haemorrhagic dengue fever.  We owe a lot of thanks and appreciation to medical doctors who know patent medicines are not the win all in this struggle.  Personally, I appreciate the doctor who expressed his only reservation, the red tinted camote leaf, which would corrupt lab tests. 

 

I am thankful for newspapers that print articles with information that saves lives.  There is to much in the news that is destructive.  Past my bedtime-- thanks for the opportunity to share.

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broden

 

help break down enzymes

 

this is why you can't make jello with raw papaya pineapple and some other fruits .. canned works though

 

 

we just had a very young nephew come down with dengue . he was taken to the hospital immediately where he received medical treatment my wifes brother also asked the doc about giving the child camote tea aside from the treatment and the doc was happy with the

 

don't know if it helped or not but the kiddo recovered very quickly thankfully  

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doctors don't know everything and you can see that by simply watching how treatments change over the years

 

but i would always ask a doc if you are going to supplement medical treatment with herbal if there are any no reactions or interactions between the substances .. the same way i would be sure to ask a doc if they are giving you more than one medication .. there are some thing you simply should not take if you are taking some kind of medication food drinks herbs other medications whatever

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USMC-Retired

People believe all you want drink all the herbal crap you wish.  If it worked we would not have deaths from this as every tom dick and harry would do it.  If you come down with dengue best get yourself to medical care asap.  If there and feel hey I might try some unproven herbal remedy great but this can kill the ill of health or frail so do it there.  It is not time to become a quack doctor or break out the chemistry set. 

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alexccms

The fact that PLX, camote, tawa tawa, and neem, speedily raises platelets and white blood cells within the first 24/hours is an undisputed fact to this day.   This is all public information printed in outstanding medical journals and nationally known newspapers.

 

It's not undisputed and it's not a fact.  It's a popular belief.  Reading something in the newspaper doesn't make it a fact.  Newspapers are essentially entertainment these days.  Show me the journal articles.  

 

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I tell patients who ask about supplements, home remedies, and other folk cures:

 

"I can't recommend for or against those treatments.  If it works for you go ahead and use it."

 

Why?  If a drug company stands to make millions by putting a team of researchers to task proving a patented molecule or compound works to treat something that there is a market to treat, then they may do the research.  

 

You can't patent papaya leaf extract though.  So nobody has sufficient motivation to do the research.  This goes with many alternative medicine treatments.  There may be some value in a lot of them.  But without scientific evidence (and the Sun Star doesn't count) I can't recommend for or against them.

 

Another problem you run into with herbal remedies is potency.  If there is a compound in a plant that can help how much of the compound is there?  Does the papaya in my yard have more, because of the chicken shit?  Does the papaya in your yard have none?  Maybe you'll overdose, maybe you'll get none.  How do you regulate that?  Oh, shut up and drink it... the doctor recommended "oral hydration".  

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NM1938

  
    Scientific research institutions are acknowledging the healing properties of
    papaya-- finally!


Papaya leaf extract has be awarded endorsements as cures for dengue fever by the
following research institutions:

  • King Institute Of Preventive Medicine And Research

        Tests conducted at the King Institute of Preventive Medicine found that the Siddha

        preparation brought down symptoms and speeded up the recovery of
        patients.

        Scientists dropped the four strains of the dengue virus on the cell lines (drawn from

        the gut cells of dengue causing albopictus mosquito) and added the
        herbal preparation. Normally, the virus would have entered the
        cells. "After two days, we found the cell-lines were
        unaffected. The virus was neutralized by the herbal formulation.
        Further tests showed it blocked the virus from entering the cell. In
        cells where the virus had already entered, it prevented
        multiplication," said King Institute director Dr P Gunasekaran.
        (source: The Times Of India – Neem-papaya juice passes dengue test 20 Dec
        20, 2012)


    The Sandhi Ayurveda Clinic
       

KOLKATA: It could be a miracle cure for dengue. And the best part is you can make it at home.

    Chymopapin and papin - enzymes in the papaya leaf - help revive platelet count, say
experts.


"They have a role in regenerating healthy cells. So, it's perhaps possible
to treat platelet fall with them. We need more research in this
area," said a researcher at the National Institute for Ayurvedic
Drug Development.


Some doctors felt papaya leaf juice could cut out the need for platelet
    transfusion even in severe dengue cases. "At least six of my
    patients have had a platelet recovery within three days. In some
    cases, the revival has been quite dramatic. I have recommended it to
    all my dengue patients," said Debashish Basu, preventive
    medicine specialist. (source: The Times Of India – Home cure for
    dengue sting – 12 Sep 12, 2012)



Scientific researchers are also discovering papaya is also a cancer fighter--
    finally
!

  • University Of Florida

    UF researchers find cancer-fighting properties in papaya tea

    GANESVILLE, FL. — The humble papaya is gaining credibility in Western medicine
    for anticancer powers that folk cultures have recognized for generations.

    University Of Florida researcher Dr. Nam Dang, and colleagues in Japan have documented

papaya’s dramatic anticancer effect against a broad range of lab-grown tumors, including cancers of
the cervix, breast, liver, lung and pancreas. The researchers used an
extract made from dried papaya leaves, and the anticancer effects were
stronger when cells received larger doses of the tea.

The papaya extract did not have any toxic effects on normal cells,
avoiding a common and devastating consequence of many cancer therapy
regimens. The success of the papaya extract in acting on cancer without
toxicity is consistent with reports from indigenous populations in
Australia and his native Vietnam, said Dang, a professor of medicine and medical director

of the UF Shands Cancer Center Clinical Trials Office.


 Bharat B. Aggarwal, a researcher at the University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston,

already is so convinced of papaya’s restorative powers that he has a serving of the fruit every day.

 

These articles demonstrate that scientific research institution are discovering the validity of natural alternatives that
    are being ignored or completely removed from the modern healthcare system.



 

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Headshot

I have no studies or published articles, but I have seen anecdotal evidence that one of the herbal remedies works. Last year, one of the young men who had been in our wedding party got Dengue Fever. He had been in Chong Hua for three days, and they were using all of the standard remedies, but his platelet and white blood cell counts continued to drop the whole time, so apparently the treatments were not working. My MIL (who had been his Yaya when he was little) brewed up some tawa-tawa tea at home and took it into the hospital and gave it to his mother for him. His mother gave him tawa-tawa tea several times that day, and by the next day his platelet and white blood cell counts had jumped dramatically. You may think it was just coincidental, and that he would have gotten better that day even without the tawa-tawa tea, but it impressed me. The only thing that changed in his treatment was the tea, but there was a complete reversal in his status.

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alexccms

If I had dengue and I was in the hospital and somebody tried to feed me an herbal remedy, I'd probably take it.  Probably can't hurt...

 

But those newspaper articles you're referring to aren't the same as scientific research published in peer reviewed journals.  It's a huge undertaking and requires dedication to objectivity to statistically "prove" an effect.  

 

Anecdotal evidence & case studies are essentially useless unless part of a meta-analysis.  I'm not a statistician, I don't perform meta-analyses.  But I know how to read them when they've been performed.  One has yet to be performed on these and it may be a while before one is performed.  

 

So keep using your herbal remedies.  It might be helping.  But claiming that there is scientific or medical proof doesn't make it so.  It only shows your lack of understanding as to what proof means.

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