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Hmmmm.... interesting responses. But I've not seen anyone post about how this whole topic is really about closing the barn-door after the horse got out.

Mr ED is not in the field, this thread is about human beings like yourself being provided & nurtured when developing into adults. Were you nurtured when young? You raise another topic about preventing the birth of the Foal.

Hate to be the one to break the news to you but, in this day 'n age, there is NO reason whatsoever for a girl to get pregnant until the couple wants to get pregnant. Condoms are cheap and are effective... if used. I have a problem with this whole line of thinking about what to do AFTER the girl gets pregnant. The thinking SHOULD be about knowing what one is going to do to prevent the pregnancy before one even hops into bed with the girl.

From a Philippines perspective i hope your Alice in Wonderland theory becomes fact for the whole populace (including the impregnating foreigners.Some do & some don't take precautions, and the enforcement of child support in Adult Disneyland is no where near the levels of what you consider your world to be.

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ckfm

Yes, use condoms and the pill but don't come forward like the liberals here in Canada and start talking about "a woman can do with her body whatever she wants" - you will burn in hell for the killing of a human, period - at the least you will never be reborn again - think about how that makes you feel, ....

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Put like that – I have no problems with and some of your beliefs I agree with. But I think you are putting a different flavour or slant than the OP intended. My understanding of the OP was for those fathers in any country not just PI that ignore their parental and financial responsibility of their minor children. How the children are raised is up to the individual parents. And when children are minor, I think all parents have the financial/moral obligation not necessarily spoil them in whatever definition to their basic needs which both you and I know are happening not just in PI. So many fathers abandoned their young children either to the mother to pick up the pieces or to the government or the society in general.

 

Well, I for one doenst consider him a man!!!

 

I would agree however I disagree with the concept that having a relationship with someone, even over an extended period of time, creates an obligation of care that extends past the lifetime of the relationship. I sure as hell didn't see my ex-wife coming over and cleaning house or cooking after the divorce.

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It is felt that you have much to learn. "Fairytale"? Hardly. I know of many Filipinas using B.C. - either condoms or pill. Granted, these are younger women, every one of them college educated. But certainly not a fairytale.

 

Maybe not a fairytale, but certainly uncommon...even among college educated Filipinas. If they are religious at all, it has been drummed into their heads that to use BC is a sin. I know a lot of college educated Filipinas who got pregnant before they got married...simply because they were NOT using any form of BC. Some got married to the baby's father. Others didn't. I certainly hope you don't think that Filipinos (the guys) will be careful enough to use a condom every time they have sex. To me, it is very interesting that both women and men here are willing to risk having a baby rather than using protection. Having sex outside of married is also considered by most to be a sin, but they justify that by saying they weren't planning on it, but it just happened (like sex dropped out of a cloud and hit them in the head). So...they go ahead and have sex, but won't use protection...because that would mean that they had planned to have sex (like that somehow makes the sin of having sex outside of marriage worse).

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ckfm

It is felt that you have much to learn. "Fairytale"? Hardly. I know of many Filipinas using B.C. - either condoms or pill. Granted, these are younger women, every one of them college educated. But certainly not a fairytale.

 

 

Hookers?

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Since your profile says that you live here I assume that you are aware that it is quite common in this culture for people- even professional people- to take a bite of rice in their hand.
Indeed and I marvel at their dexterity or whatever it is that allows them to do that, particularly with pork fat all over their fingers. I can't imagine I could pick up a kernel. What I haven't seen, however, is people putting handfuls of rice into other peoples mouths except feeding kids which is ok if the kid is unable to do it themselves. But apparently the mother instinct is so strong they don't realize that an average 4 yo kid is quite capable of feediing themselves which was what I was pointing out.

 

No, for that case is already too old.

One Example:

If you are not married to the woman you can stipulate a way to contribute to a judge.

Since you have no legal obligation to support her as she is not a part of what you must pay for.

YOU are then the person who submits the proposal, you do NOT wait for her to claim child support!!

 

Explain that you will support and provide for your kid, but you will not give the woman money or support. The law does NOT require you to pay money!

Enter into an agreement with a shopping center / helper etc. on purchase of diapers, milk daily needs of the child. Pay Your share of the rent directly to the landlord, or that you cover the entire electricity bill, but with a maximum amount. Later payment of school bills, again with a max amount.

 

All of this in an affidavit that is signed by you in front of a judge in the courthouse.

The agreement/affidavit you send her via registered mail!

If she comes with a claim for child support you can then reject it sins you already meet the requirement to provide for the kid by Philippine law!

No judge in the Philippines will reject your "agreement" and require you to pay money instead!

 

 

Slightly easily explained, but most people can understand what is possible.

Good plan for the most part though it would hardly surprise me if she were able to work it into her favor. And a good man would do this if he were able to foresee her becoming a b&^%h and trying to use his love for the child to milk him. But quite likely he would just send her some support and then after a while she'd take him to court to force child support and then he'd be in the situation I described but you said it was too old to help.

 

I can see her taking your agreement to court for support and her saying, "Hey, I didn't agree to this. I want more." And the judge saying "well, you agreed to give her X so you can give her 2X now."

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If we were talking about a western country your post might make sense. In the Philippines where birth control is considered a sin by many or most your post is a fairytale.

Since this thread is essentially about expats paying child support for their fil/foreigner babies, I think the BC post by Thalcoozyo (where did that name come from?) is quite valid and it doesn't matter if BC is considered a sin by the RC church or even if the girl (quite likely) has no idea about BC or how babies get made or whatever. He knows about BC and if he doesn't use it then he's got no leg to stand on regarding child support.

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HTM

Indeed and I marvel at their dexterity or whatever it is that allows them to do that, particularly with pork fat all over their fingers. I can't imagine I could pick up a kernel. What I haven't seen, however, is people putting handfuls of rice into other peoples mouths except feeding kids which is ok if the kid is unable to do it themselves. But apparently the mother instinct is so strong they don't realize that an average 4 yo kid is quite capable of feediing themselves which was what I was pointing out.

 

Good plan for the most part though it would hardly surprise me if she were able to work it into her favor. And a good man would do this if he were able to foresee her becoming a b&^%h and trying to use his love for the child to milk him. But quite likely he would just send her some support and then after a while she'd take him to court to force child support and then he'd be in the situation I described but you said it was too old to help.

 

I can see her taking your agreement to court for support and her saying, "Hey, I didn't agree to this. I want more." And the judge saying "well, you agreed to give her X so you can give her 2X now."

 

Not in the Philippines, as long as u support the kid. And she need lots of money to do that, and you can appeal, and appeal, or pay a judge to overturn / dismiss the case. :-)

Most men are a bit lazy and not everyone is smart.

Most people just let the court decide for an amount they need pay, they find it easier.......

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HTM

It is felt that you have much to learn. "Fairytale"? Hardly. I know of many Filipinas using B.C. - either condoms or pill. Granted, these are younger women, every one of them college educated. But certainly not a fairytale.

Yes, not a fairytale

Half of the Women in the Philippines are Practicing Family Planning

(Preliminary Results from the 2008 National Demographic and Health Survey)

 

542,000 married women were using IUDs in 2006, according to the 2006 Family Planning Survey.

 

Thirty-five percent or about one-third of married women in the country are using modern contraceptive methods, according to the 2004 Family Planning Survey

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Hookers?

:shit_stirrer: Whilst i appreciate how some young ladies pay their way through college, your post buggers the question of how do you know that hookers use BC such as the pill - the condom part would be hard to miss if you were there

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Yes, not a fairytale

Half of the Women in the Philippines are Practicing Family Planning

(Preliminary Results from the 2008 National Demographic and Health Survey)

 

542,000 married women were using IUDs in 2006, according to the 2006 Family Planning Survey.

 

Thirty-five percent or about one-third of married women in the country are using modern contraceptive methods, according to the 2004 Family Planning Survey

 

Could you possibly give us a link to the 2008 survey? I have a feeling that if they are trying to use the rythm method, they consider that a form of family planning and modern birth control. From the lack of knowledge on birth control I have witnessed here, I find their statistics very difficult to believe. Many young Filipinas don't even have any idea of when they are fertile during their cycles...nor do they even know how long their cycles are. Something just doesn't ring true in the results you quoted.

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Could you possibly give us a link to the 2008 survey? I have a feeling that if they are trying to use the rythm method, they consider that a form of family planning and modern birth control. From the lack of knowledge on birth control I have witnessed here, I find their statistics very difficult to believe. Many young Filipinas don't even have any idea of when they are fertile during their cycles...nor do they even know how long their cycles are. Something just doesn't ring true in the results you quoted.

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I read the last three or four pages and still don't understand the debate. If a man doesn't want to support children, he should not have sex with woman he isn't sure to stay with for a long time.

 

(Or short said, keep his pants on.)

 

Simple.

 

If a child is there, he shall support it. The Child is there, right ?And he "made"it, right ?

 

And if someone thinks, that having children as single mom is an "easy income", he is a bit in an error. Ask the mothers how much "fun" that is.

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broden
I read the last three or four pages and still don't understand the debate. If a man doesn't want to support children, he should not have sex with woman he isn't sure to stay with for a long time.

 

not having sex if you don't want to have babies is the kind of clear thinking the world doesn't need or want

 

everyone wants to do what ever they want to do with no repercussions allowed or recognized

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Thank you for the PDF.

 

Two of the classifications under "modern methods" were "timing ovulation" and "standard days." While they only account for a few percent of the total, they are really just enhancements on the rhythm method, which is onr of the "traditional methods." That takes the percentage on actual birth control down to 33%. However, the problem with this was in their methodology. If a woman didn't know what a birth control method was, the proceeded to coach her in the method and how it was done. When this sort of thing is done during an "unbiased" survey, it destroys the "unbiased" part completely. The women being surveyed quickly grasp the answers that are desired by the surveyors and give them. What that means in simple terms is that this survey cannot be trusted as being in any way factual because of the birth control "training" that was done as an integral part of the survey.

 

However, even if it is only half of the percentages they gave, it still surprises me that it is that high. The Filipinas that we associate with mostly are fairly well educated, and they have decent jobs. Even with that, they think that birth control pills are too expensive to use. They also hear all kinds of horror stories about side effects from the various modern birth control methods. When you go from these Filipinas, who are basically middle class, to those in the lower classes (which is most women in the Philippines), I would assume (who knows how correctly) that the cost burden and horror stories would escalate proportionately. So like I said, the survey results (even if taken with a large dose of skepticism) surprise me. Thanks for sharing.

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I read the last three or four pages and still don't understand the debate. If a man doesn't want to support children, he should not have sex with woman he isn't sure to stay with for a long time.

 

(Or short said, keep his pants on.)

 

Simple.

 

If a child is there, he shall support it. The Child is there, right ?And he "made"it, right ?

 

And if someone thinks, that having children as single mom is an "easy income", he is a bit in an error. Ask the mothers how much "fun" that is.

 

Does a man's moral obligation to his children end with money? To me, there is a hell of a lot more to being a father than just providing the money needed to live. From what I have seen, a lot of Filipinas are very trusting of the men they love. They have sex to make him happy (more than any other reason), but they also trust that if anything happens, he will do the right thing. Unfortunately, a lot of men (both Filipinos and foreigners) don't deserve that trust.

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they also trust that if anything happens, he will do the right thing. Unfortunately, a lot of men (both Filipinos and foreigners) don't deserve that trust.

 

 

Amen!

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JSL-USMC

I wrote three paragraphs on this and then decided that I didn't really know tae about it so I deleted. Ooo rah!

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broden

I wrote three paragraphs on this and then decided that I didn't really know tae about it so I deleted. Ooo rah!

 

you can not be on this forum and admit to not knowing something

 

it's just not done

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you can not be on this forum and admit to not knowing something

 

it's just not done

 

John does a lot of things that just aren't done. I don't think he's really worried about stuff like that... :cool:

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smokey

Moral obligations when creating Filipino babies

 

 

i had a few things to say but found the title would make anything i said OFF topic

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Edwin

Why does it say Filipino babies? Are they some how diffrent then babies in

general. Or is it some greater then thou complex

 

The thread title was in response to another thread title, "Legal obligations when creating Filipino babies"

 

Edit: should have read "Legal obligations when impregnating a Filipina"

 

 

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deleted nonsense

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Davaoeno

you can not be on this forum and admit to not knowing something

 

it's just not done

 

Broden is right - most people dont say it - they just demonstrate it !!

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eggnoggin

gotta luv it...youre donating freely the dna that has changed and freed the genetically inadequate ..from themselves and tyrants for over a hundred years...if youre really concerned.. theres another birth unemcumbered joy juice recepticle just a wiggle away from the jade gates..im a not so little bastard myself ..ive got filipinas all over the place..visting my nanny etc. the concept of a territorial imperative regarding the p*ssy.. the daddy..and the youngin.. seems lost on the entire melange...just more blubbering self important moral superiority isnt going to change a thousand tribal years of whos the daddy?..who gives a shit..mentality...shouldnt we be discussing the strategy and practical implementation of imparting those joyfull bursts of the lizard lava into the on ramp of the hershey highway instead of the the jade tunnel on root 69 ... :wheel:

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