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A_Simple_Man
The law seems clear. Follow it. Do not risk your freedom

Is it really?

A 67-YEAR-OLD Swedish man was arrested yesterday in a Cebu City terminal as he was about to board a ship for Masbate province with a 9-year-old Filipina.

He was getting on a boat, in public, with countless other adults around. I thought the law said you had to be ALONE with the kid? I don't see where he was ever alleged to be alone with the girl. What law was broken? Ever sat beside a 9 year old kid on a ferry? If her parents weren't the ones with her then you might go to jail.

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i personally have nothing to say at this point on is he guilty or not... and looking back i remember taking not one young girl 12 years old but also her sister 14 years old in a taxi to a resturant fo

Even if his intentions are good, he deserves the hassle for his stupidity, ignorance, and naivete for a 67 year old.

The sad part is, as my wife pointed out, they can and likely will manipulate the girl into saying whatever they want in an effort to justify this arrest. The guys intentions may well have been good (h

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Really people he took an overnight trip in the sole company of a 9 year old. No family no chaperon nothing. This was a trip maybe of well wishing yet where is the family? This smells bad and probably is. If this were to happen in any western country he would also be arrested. It is not a witch hunt. He broke laws. Why are people trying to defend his actions as innocent. There is nothing innocent about what is reported. Common sense amoung people here. If you would not do it morally then why defend it. The police did not go out on witch hunt. As for the people that tip them off. I may have done the same in the US if a neighbor girl was gone with a man 56 years her senior into another city overnight.

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Don't the US have a "transporting a minor over a state line for....."?

 

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Is it really?

 

He was getting on a boat, in public, with countless other adults around. I thought the law said you had to be ALONE with the kid? I don't see where he was ever alleged to be alone with the girl. What law was broken? Ever sat beside a 9 year old kid on a ferry? If her parents weren't the ones with her then you might go to jail.

 

Where in the law does it say ALONE

 

Read my earlier post:

 

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Why is that we spend so much time trying to get these people off - trying to make excuses for them - if a 67 yr old Filipino was found at an airport, train station or anywhere else in Australia with a 9 yr old girl, with no documentation that he was a friend of the family, or that he had just come from a hospital or a doctors office - how much time would you spend wringing your hands about this poor foreigner being railroaded?

 

The difference is, unlike Australia, as soon as a foreigner steps off the plane in the Phils, the scams begin to try and relieve a foreigner of his money. I maybe wrong, but I don't believe foreigners in Australia are constant targets of exploitation by so many, including the police. That is why these type of situations must be thouroughly investigated in the Phils before throwing the guy under the bus. However, this particular person isn't doing himself any favors by refusing to cooperate with the police and refusing interviews. Also if he had taken the girl to a hospital, he'd certainly have some documentation to back up his story. It's definitely a fishy story but based on the corruption that permeates this country, especially in situations involving foreigners, judgement must be resevered until more facts come to light.

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Don't the US have a "transporting a minor over a state line for....."?

 

KonGC

 

Yes. I love kids, four of my own, and sure morally I might be compelled to try to help in some way. But in this day and age, I would never be alone with a minor from outside my immediate family without another adult in their presence -- not in the US, and sure as hell not in a foreign country. It's a hell of a note for someone like me from a bygone era, but it's a different world today.

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Lagstrem remained silent in the police detention cell and refused to be interviewed by Cebu Daily News.

 

Seems that police detectives are not required in this case. The local media have all the expertise to investigate this case.

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Really people he took an overnight trip in the sole company of a 9 year old. No family no chaperon nothing. This was a trip maybe of well wishing yet where is the family? This smells bad and probably is. If this were to happen in any western country he would also be arrested. It is not a witch hunt. He broke laws. Why are people trying to defend his actions as innocent. There is nothing innocent about what is reported. Common sense amoung people here. If you would not do it morally then why defend it. The police did not go out on witch hunt. As for the people that tip them off. I may have done the same in the US if a neighbor girl was gone with a man 56 years her senior into another city overnight.

 

I wouldn't in this day and age, no way. You may be right but he's also an old man, maybe from a more innocent time. I just find the alternative so unimaginable that well, I have trouble seeing it I guess. But you are right, it's possible. On the other hand I hope it was a doctor visit by the childs godfather, or something like that.

 

 

 

Yes. I love kids, four of my own, and sure morally I might be compelled to try to help in some way. But in this day and age, I would never be alone with a minor from outside my immediate family without another adult in their presence -- not in the US, and sure as hell not in a foreign country. It's a hell of a note for someone like me from a bygone era, but it's a different world today.

 

Yeah, it makes me sad really.

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I hope I have it all wrong. Based on what is reported he took the girl from an island to another for a doctors visit on another. It was an overnight trip. There was no adult supervision of family with the 9 year old. Sorry that is beyond stupid.

 

For the Girl and for him I hope I have it wrong. Yet it is quaking like a duck.

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I'm sorry, I find it hard to believe that even after the Ella Joy case, some here are so eager to convict a man based solely on press and police reports alone.

 

What ever happened to due process?

 

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Read my earlier post:

 

I read your post, then I read the whole law that you cherry picked it from. But even in your post you say:

 

That this provision shall not apply to any person who is related within the fourth degree of consanguinity or affinity or any bond recognized by law, local custom and tradition or acts in the performance of a social, moral or legal duty.

 

 

and surely taking a kid to the doctor would qualify. I cannot deny that this guy might be a pervert. Anyone might be, family member or otherwise, but to condemn him AND all others who do nice things for kids who are less fortunate is just wrong. Maybe the kid doesn't have a dad. In my country we have 'Big Brothers' for that. Here the 'Big Brothers' would be thrown in jail or burnt at stake by LinC members.

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Just going on what is reported he is guilty. We have nothing else and assuming else wise is not correct. We would be just as bad as the papers to do as such. Based only on what is written he is guilty of violating the law. Unless he produces the doctors and some form of parental permission.

 

In the US a doctor can not treat a minor unless there is a parent. I do not know the law here.

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There is an opportunity for the PNP in this matter to prove that they can investigate a case properly. There is also an opportunity for them to show that if the man is innocent they are not puppets for the whim of any jelous person wanting to tell tales.

A situation like this should be cleared up in a matter of hours by sensible and enquiring minds . Once again an innocent child is suffering regardless of the outcome of this case.

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Thats why i say contact her relatives. Again remember the vast majority here do not know their own laws or their history. Case in point, Tim do you remember telling us last year you stood outside the mall i believe and had a handful of peos and told the people you would give them the money if they could tell you who was on the bill and virtually no one could? Thats their history. Now as for current events forget about it. No one watches the NBN channel here except to watch the lotto results. And look at the current Corona case even the senators have said publicly they are bored and they are not paying attention and they are hte judges for this trial. So you have senators not paying attention and admitting it even though they are there you know that the people are not paying attention. By application again going back to Tim and by the way Tim I am not bashing you I am praising you, made the great of when we go to any of these government agencies to print out copies of the 13A visa for example and bring it with us because the employees are not up to date with their own regulations and its true. So long story short since even the powers that be here are not up to date on their own laws and they do very little to educate the public on them, to me its not a stretch that the parents are not up to date, the Swede was nice to them and they trusted him and give him their verbal permission to take the girl to the doctor. Now should they have said take a cousin? Yes they should have but again when you are in a country where the powers that be do not even try to educate its own people about current affairs and we are only up to date because of this forum and finally because the RP seems the thrive in trying to get foreigners I say talk to the parents and see what they have to say since they did not report him but a neighbor who maybe was turned away when he asked for booze money from the Swede. And the sad fact is my explanination is not far fetch at all.

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A situation like this should be cleared up in a matter of hours by sensible and enquiring minds .

 

:not_see::sarcasm::wacko:

 

LinD

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