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Then why would you post in this thread other than to further stir things up more than they already are? :evan_iliadis: What value does your post serve? :yahoo:

 

I get the feeling that you are trying to shut ILPI up because he doesnt agree with you !! Stating an opinion that you dont agree with does not make it " stirring things up" . To the contrary, if anyones posts are meant to stir things up it is your own.

This thread is about vietnam vets comments about the war- which is exactly what ILPI talked about, unlike yourself, whose post was only an attack on his - and nothing else- and in my opinion truly without value.

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Here's a Vietnam war experience. My wife is Chinese Vietnamese. When the US pulled out she was 14, a freshman in high school. When the Viet Cong took the city, Saigon shut down for two weeks. After

Steve, I really hope you don't actually buy any of that bullshit they were spouting at the museum in Hanoi. If you do, then you dishonor those who served and died there.

That was a hard time and not many speak of it.. Hard to be there hard to come home too.

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Jane Fonda went to Hanoi during the war to show her support for the enemy. She should have been denied reentry to America or even better, allow to enter and then hang her on national TV for treason. The stupid bitch was never punished for her treasonous actions. She was not punished due to her being an actor and especially her father Henry Fonda. Most Vietnam Vets still hate the old stupid bitch.

But she married Ted Turner so she got hers! Her own personal purgatory. He's crazy as a loon. I used to use CNN talent in government training that we delivered internationally by TV. We used to go to CNN all the time, and Ted would be wondering around in a robe (or less) barefoot. He lived in the CNN Center. Alcoholic manic depressive. Midas touch in business though, until the shysters at Time Warner cleaned him out. Now he has only about $500,000,000 left, I think. Maybe more, seem to recall he is the largest individual land owner in US. Sorry, off topic again. :yahoo:

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My wife has no desire ever to visit Vietnam, or Asia, again, although many of her friends now do regularly. SHE HATES COMMUNISM and the creep of PC socialist dogma in the US scares the hell out of her for our children's future.

So...if you are in Indonesia, and your wife has no desire to visit Asia...where are she and your children living? I have to agree with your wife on the creep of socialism in the US. It scares the hell out of me too. I'm not so sure it's just creeping anymore though. It looks more like an avalanche.

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not saying it has at all, but as a friendly reminder

keep in mind where this thread is, or where it isn't

so it doesn't end up getting out of hand

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So...if you are in Indonesia, and your wife has no desire to visit Asia...where are she and your children living? I have to agree with your wife on the creep of socialism in the US. It scares the hell out of me too. I'm not so sure it's just creeping anymore though. It looks more like an avalanche.

She's in Atlanta, 2/3 kids now in college. Yea, US is a mixed-up crazy place, and that's just what the powers that be want. Divide and conquer, and always divert public focus from what's really important (in the dark) to tabloid politics (in the spotlight). There isn't a hill of beans difference between the two parties, and the politicians all leave office as multimillionaires -- either on the day they walk out, or 12 months later. The trends are all bad and interconnected -- demographics, public debt, public health, growing inequality of income (sorry Rush followers, but it's true, and very important for your childrens' futures), decline of good career options, stagnant wages that peaked for white males in 1975, and on and on. Nonetheless, I'm not counting us out yet; we've been down for the count before and comeback.

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I will never understand the feelings of soldiers who fought in that war......only they can understand that, however there were two opposing sides in that war and I'm sure that the vietnamese vets could give just as many stories of atrocities as the Americans..... they were fighting for their country and way of life also.....

 

 

 

 

i have to disagree with you on this most of the vc were just like most of the americans to young to know what war really means... only 17 and 18 year old humans all think they are bulletproof... we all wanted to think we were doing the right thing... and when you say they were fighting for their country do you mean the viet people from the north or the south maybe you forgot it was not just them against usa... the south viet namise military while often critized died just the same as their counterparts the NVA.. so korea to you would be the us against Korea or the us and south korea against ?

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Would you care to name some of those countries for us please ??

 

 

 

 

does cuba count? and come on some of the middle east countries are not what you would say easy to live with ... didnt the KING himself just pardon a women from 10 lashes because she had the nerve to drive a car..

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does cuba count? and come on some of the middle east countries are not what you would say easy to live with ... didnt the KING himself just pardon a women from 10 lashes because she had the nerve to drive a car..

 

Sorry, but I have been to Cuba and no one forced me to be a communist nor did they torture me !

 

And as far as I know there are no communist countries in the middle east.

 

Sorry but I will have to give you a 0 out of 2 !! :stick_poke:

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She's in Atlanta, 2/3 kids now in college. Yea, US is a mixed-up crazy place, and that's just what the powers that be want. Divide and conquer, and always divert public focus from what's really important (in the dark) to tabloid politics (in the spotlight). There isn't a hill of beans difference between the two parties, and the politicians all leave office as multimillionaires -- either on the day they walk out, or 12 months later. The trends are all bad and interconnected -- demographics, public debt, public health, growing inequality of income (sorry Rush followers, but it's true, and very important for your childrens' futures), decline of good career options, stagnant wages that peaked for white males in 1975, and on and on...

 

Limbaugh or today's Tom Sawyer?

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i have to disagree with you on this most of the vc were just like most of the americans to young to know what war really means... only 17 and 18 year old humans all think they are bulletproof... we all wanted to think we were doing the right thing... and when you say they were fighting for their country do you mean the viet people from the north or the south maybe you forgot it was not just them against usa... the south viet namise military while often critized died just the same as their counterparts the NVA.. so korea to you would be the us against Korea or the us and south korea against ?

 

You have actually just re-enforced the point I was trying to make......

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Limbaugh or today's Tom Sawyer?

LOL. Hey, just logged in, in the car, to add one last important sentence just before your post. "Nonetheless, I'm not counting us out yet; we've been down for the count before and comeback." We're not out for the count yet. Never give up!

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Communism ?! That's something i can share a lot about...(40+ years of an experience in Germany on both sides )

 

It's a Philosophical idea by a Philosopher. Nothing else. never was meant to work. I think Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels are still rotating in their graves that people really took that stuff up for granted.

 

Big laugh, you all been had...err, not really, because in the Communist manifest its is clearly state, that communism isn't practical and can not work. Unfortunately this was edited out of the original book. ooops..

 

But Socialism in a free market economy works. see West or now United Germany. And the other European countries as well, they are all pretty similar, but they name it different maybe.

 

You are right on the money with respect to the old cold war philosphies. I might add that pure capitalism cannot exist either. What the US has in place is socialism ... probably to the right of Germany ... but a version of socialism nonetheless.

 

Here's a good read about what Vietnam is today. Without getting into a debate about whether America won the Vietnam War or not, I say just look at the results. Wars don't end with a piece of paper that say I give up. They end with transformations of countries. In my travels through the 'communist' countries in Asia ... I'm always amazed by how 'capitalistic' they've become. So who really won or lost that war? Not relevant. But what are the real economic engines behind Vietnam or China today? I don't think it's communism.

 

http://investinvietnam.vn/Default.aspx?ctl=Inv&tID=3&pID=127&aID=359

 

And just to be fair and balanced, here is the 1928 American socialist party agenda and ask yourself how many of these 'radical' ideas have come to be American law and practice.

 

http://libertarianmajority.net/socialist-party-of-america-1928-platform

 

My point? The common man - in this case (American or Vietnamese soldiers) - are some of the little people that make countries. Not so much the generals or the presidents. The little people fight the wars, but in their own little ways, they become the real force that drives countries to become what they are. After the war, I seriously doubt a lot of Vietnamese were opposed to political and economic reforms that moved their country closer to the west. And after that same war, I seriously doubt that there were a lot of American soldiers calling for the elimination of the rights that the socialist party proposed back in 1928. So did the socialists win? That's also not relevant in my opinion. What are the social engines driving America today? I seriously doubt anyone could call it capitalism.

 

So what do I remember about Vietnam? It was a lousy and confusing war. People died. But if I step back and look at the big picture - about how the world has been changed (by looking not just at the Vietnam war) - I'd say that the world is a better (but still imperfect place). But part of the result of the conflict is that it contributed to major forces that would ultimately change the countries involved in the Cold War - and pushing them toward the more 'peaceful' times that we enjoy today - thanks to the little people who became involved.

 

How does this relate to the Philippines? In my opinion, more of its people need to step up to the plate and reshape its destiny.

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Then why would you post in this thread other than to further stir things up more than they already are? :notallthere: What value does your post serve? :stick_poke:

 

My post was made in an attempt to give a little balance, certainly not to stir anything up.... purely my personal take on this...... yet another attempt by you to ridicule or shut people up that don't share your point of view.....

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I read a lot about Vietnam as a boy and always wanted to visit. I finally went last month and loved the place. I flew into Da Nang then went to Hoi An, which is a fascinating old town. I spent hours in the shops looking through old war-era artefacts - zippos, medals, water bottles, penknives, dog tags etc. I didn't buy any - it just didn't feel right. I will return though and try to see more of the the country.

 

I have also been to Kanchanaburi Cemetery, which is heart wrenching. I have a plan to visit all of the CWGC cemeteries in Asia, which is no mean feat - Burma, PNG, Ambon may be tricky.

 

Respect to all involved.

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My post was made in an attempt to give a little balance, certainly not to stir anything up.... purely my personal take on this...... yet another attempt by you to ridicule or shut people up that don't share your point of view.....

Let me share the OP with you

 

There seems to be alot of members here who honourable served their country in Vietnam.

Would anyone like to share their experience during their time there.

It's not just you I was talking to, and I didn't mean to hurt your feelings...I hope you do continue to post and I will not try to shut you up - but lets keep it on topic hey :stick_poke:

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