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i did not read all the reply as i find the whole thing kind of depressing to see all the notice they give this (( naked on line ) when other crimes that have lots of killing go un noticed or get little press... i stayed for years at a hotel close to robinsons in manila often going to manila one week ever 2 months at one point there were a lot of vendors BLOCKING the hotel exit and this started to bug me.. the belt , painting , silver dollar , plain begging types were getting agressive but the guy who finally pissed me off was a guy about 45 to 50 with BLEACHED RED HAIR a real bad dye job he would not only ask if i wanted a VERY YOUNG FRIEND but he even did it many time when i was with my wife... Well after my daily returne to the hotel and my for the 1,000 time saying NO THANK YOU i started to bithch and moan to the hotel staff.. they would smile and say yes sir we will adress that.. but then the next trip there he was i was starting to get pissed and my complaints became more vocal and firm...Finally the manager comes to our room and says Sir can i speak to you outside here alone without your wife... i said ok and we went to a lobby area and he said ... Sir we are sorry you are being bothered by the guy outside about those matters but sir please understand on the part of the hotel we can not do anything as he is not on our property... So i said well if i owned the hotel i would call the police and let them arrest the guy he is a pimp and selling underage girls and boys.. ... Then he said sir please understand he is with the police,, and please sir do not bring notice to yourself or your wife its not safe for you... true story...

 

Maybe you were just being foreigner screened by undercover services...and you passed wink.gif

I have demanded (and received) a hotel escort in Makati - problem disappeared from 6 the inches in front of my face

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As for the Swedes and being of Swedish decent I'd say their sentence was harsh but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Maybe it will persuade the next dozen p*orn peddlers from coming here.

 

Is this what they do in Sweden for p*ornography peddlers?, probably not so no reason to lose sleep over it.

 

What you may wish to consider losing sleep over is

 

The key to this case of Human trafficking, not operating a cyber den, is that the ruling says that the workers were underage. The NBI who were the arresting agency and the providers of evidence did not provide any evidence or claims of underage, yet that notion has prevailed to a life sentence.

 

One of the pressure group spokesperson says that does not matter as human trafficking shows they were recruited inside the Philippines and not locally etc. They were clearly not recruited by the Swedes who did not know them to recruit them!!

 

Hope nothing u ever view is adult rated, be it Tv, magazines etc lest anyone decides you are equally guilty as you are a viewer probably to a subscription service be it cable or any other subscription medium that therefore under such activities even if you are not a direct party prevails that you are an end user of Human trafficked services etc.

 

I cannot see any legal rulings that support a life sentence for operating a cyber den or pedalling p*orn.

 

The life sentence is for human trafficking. The appeal will clearly focus on that element as it is the key to this case.

 

The real potential for embarrassment for the Philippines government and the USA is that if this case is used as a lever to draw down Millenium Goal funding. This means that the USA accepts that just by virtue of operating a cam business with consenting adults is human trafficking. The fall out back in the USA were such business are lawful, large studios cater for it (refer to the owners of Adultfriendfinder on line cam service etc) would be huge. I can imagine the USA authorities scratching their nutz with a WTF expression and advising their Pinoy counterparts that cyber dens in themselves is not Human trafficking and busting one does not qualify for a grant, tears before bedtime me thinks!! Even worse if the USA then released the names and ownership of the Pinoy owned cam dens in the USA with legally recruited pinays. Human trafficking across boarders has an international as well as local definition if such crimes are to be effectively fought.

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What you may wish to consider losing sleep over is

 

Very good point well made. It now seems fairly definite that none of these women were underage, and the Philippines government may be about to wear yet again a ten ton omelette on its face.

 

Jailed Swedes in Philippine cybersex nightmare.

Two Swedish computer experts jailed for life in the Philippines on cybersex charges say they are living a nightmare among hardened criminals and insist they did nothing wrong.

 

Emil Andreas Solemo and Bo Stefan Sederholm were this week convicted of human trafficking for running an operation in which 17 naked women in an office building performed in front of cameras for overseas Internet clients.

The government hailed the verdict as a landmark victory in the battle against human trafficking because the Swedes were the first to be handed life sentences for what has in recent years become a booming cybersex industry.

 

But both men claim most of the evidence against them was fabricated or obtained illegally, and appear bewildered why they should be jailed for Internet p*ornography when prostitution is rampant across the Philippines.

 

"We don't see ourselves as human traffickers at all," Solemo, 35, said in an exclusive interview with AFP on Thursday from a crowded jail in the southern city of Cagayan de Oro where they have been since their arrest in April 2009.

 

Sederholm, 31, bristled at their portrayal by the Philippine press as modern-day slave traders.

 

"The women were not forced to do it. It was nothing like that at all," said Sederholm, who like his business partner was wearing a prison-issue yellow T-shirt, long shorts and a sandals.

 

Solemo, a tall man with gold-rimmed glasses and a goatee, said he and Sederholm were IT consultants who had been been hired to set up the computer systems at the cybersex shop where the women worked in Cagayan de Oro.

 

Although they refused to say who hired them, they denied police charges that they owned the business and recruited the women, saying they only arrived in the country a month before being arrested.

 

The Swedes also pointed out that the women working in the cybersex operation were all adults -- prosecutors never alleged that minors were involved -- and said the case against them smacked of hypocrisy.

 

"Some say it's (cybersex) demeaning and horrible, but you can go to any city in the Philippines and see girls who are dancing on poles in skimpy clothes. It's absurd... there are places there that openly sell girls," Solemo said.

 

"What we have undertaken here would not have been considered as trafficking anywhere in the West. In the United States or elsewhere it is not illegal to undress before computer cameras if you are of legal age."

 

Sederholm said they believed they had become scapegoats to make authorities look good to the United States, which put the Philippines on a blacklist of countries deemed as not doing enough to combat human trafficking.

 

"They wanted to make a trophy case of us to show to the United States that something is being done about human trafficking," Sederholm said.

 

But the judge who delivered the verdict against the Swedes, Jeoffre Acebido, said anyone who sexually exploited impoverished Philippine women should be punished.

 

"Disrespect for Filipino women and violations of our laws deserve the strongest condemnations from this court," Acebido wrote in his ruling.

 

"It will not shirk from its duty to impose the most severe of penalties against anybody, be he a foreign national or a citizen of this country, who tramples upon the dignity of a woman by taking advantage of her vulnerability."

 

Beverly Musli, the head of a local women's rights group that helped prosecutors gather evidence in the case, also said the Swedes deserved to be in jail.

 

"It's still trafficking because the victims were recruited from all over the Philippines and transported to the south," said Musli, who is a lawyer.

 

She said focusing on cybersex when prostitution was a widespread and open problem across the country was not hypocrisy.

 

"We are doing our best in stopping all forms of violence against women," she said.

 

Both Swedes said they had not given up hope that they would win an acquittal on appeal.

 

"You just can't bury yourself and say you'll not move, not eat. We have to keep going and hoping. Of course we will appeal. We're not going to lie down," Solemo said.

 

But they indicated they were struggling physically and mentally in the crowded jail, sharing a small cell with five other people accused of crimes including murder and drug trafficking.

 

"In some ways it's worse than a nightmare in that you can not wake up. It's the nightmare of not knowing whether we would be spending the next 20-25 years of our life in jail," Solemo said.

 

Sederholm refused to discuss his personal life.

 

But Solemo spoke emotionally about his own plight, saying his father died a month ago, his girlfriend had left him and he had lost 17 kilogrammes (37.5 pounds) while in jail.

 

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It's just a drama...This is what happens in a third world country, the lower court usually give's a very harsh sentence and the appeal moves to the higher court and in few months to an year..the bail is set and the convicted are free and next plane to their homeland.

 

What goes under the radar are negotiations and money to come up with in a set period of time, the accused says that much money is not possible in such a short period of time, give us some more time and it takes an year for that kind money to show up.

 

I think these guys will be free between 2 to 5 million pesos. This is the going rate for convicted p*orno guys in Thailand, when the guy who runs 10's of Thai p*orn sites was recently set free.

 

Wait and watch how it turns out..as usual as before...many folks are going to be disappointed from the end result...

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The key to this case of Human trafficking, not operating a cyber den, is that the ruling says that the workers were underage.

 

 

This statement makes me curious what you think human trafficking is.

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Defined;

 

http://jlp-law.com/b...-9208-a-primer/

 

Larry in Dumaguete

 

 

I HAVE EDITED THIS POST TO INCLUDE INFO FROM LARRY'S FOLLOWING POST

Larry - thank you for the link. I'm going to post the relevant part of the act :

 

 

What is the meaning of "trafficking in persons"? It refers to the recruitment, transportation, transfer or harboring, or receipt of persons with or without the victim's consent or knowledge, within or across national borders by means of threat or use of force, or other forms of coercion, abduction, fraud, deception, abuse of power or of position, taking advantage of the vulnerability of the person, or, the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another person for the purpose of exploitation which includes at a minimum, the exploitation or the prostitution of others or other forms of sexual exploitation, forced labor or services, slavery, servitude or the removal or sale of organs.

 

- first i didnt read about any coerceion or use of threat or force

 

-i didnt read that they gave payment to some other person that had control over the women

 

-i didnt read about any prostitution or slavery [ altho one might make a case that appearing on a web cam nude is sexual exploitation] however- using the definition provided by larry '

""Sexual exploitation" refers to participation by a person in prostitution or the production of p*ornographic materials as a result of being subjected to a threat, deception, coercion, abduction, force, abuse of authority, debt bondage, fraud or through abuse of a victim's vulnerability."- once again what is required is either coercion/threat or " abuse of a victims vulnerability" . In most countries you would have a hard time convincing a judge that a woman of legal age who was flashing it on web cam was an abuse of her vulerability - however in a macho country like the Philippines it is well know that all unmarried women are virgins and not one of them would ever even consider doing such a thing unless her vulnerability was abused !!

 

 

-i didnt read about any removal of organs

 

Bottom line- I do not see the basic requirements of placing a criminal charge of " trafficing in persons" in this part.

 

 

 

I have read further and realize that there is much more to the act than appeared from the link that Larry found- which i will read thru and comment on later

 

The rest of the Act says:

 

(:stick_poke: To introduce or match for money, profit, or material, economic or other consideration, any person or, as provided for under Republic Act No. 6955, any Filipino women to a foreign national, for marriage for the purpose of acquiring, buying, offering, selling or trading him/her to engage in prostitution, p*ornography, sexual exploitation, forced labor, slavery, involuntary servitude or debt bondage;

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Larry - thank you for the link. I'm going to post the relevant part of the act :

 

 

What is the meaning of "trafficking in persons"? It refers to the recruitment, transportation, transfer or harboring, or receipt of persons with or without the victim's consent or knowledge, within or across national borders by means of threat or use of force, or other forms of coercion, abduction, fraud, deception, abuse of power or of position, taking advantage of the vulnerability of the person, or, the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another person for the purpose of exploitation which includes at a minimum, the exploitation or the prostitution of others or other forms of sexual exploitation, forced labor or services, slavery, servitude or the removal or sale of organs.

 

- first i didnt read about any coerceion or use of threat or force

 

-i didnt read that they gave payment to some other person that had control over the women

 

-i didnt read about any prostitution or slavery [ altho one might make a case that appearing on a web cam nude is sexual exploitation]

 

-i didnt read about any removal of organs

 

Bottom line- I do not see the basic requirements of placing a criminal charge of " trafficing in persons" in this case . There may be some other charge that relates to the 'sexual exploitation" component but is certainly isnt human trafficing

 

 

 

I have read further and realize that there is much more to the act than appeared from the link that Larry found- which i will read thru and comment on later

 

 

 

Well I admit it may be stretching things a bit thinn, but,...

 

How does the law define sex exploitation, prostitution, p*ornography, and sex tourism?

 

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This statement makes me curious what you think human trafficking is.

 

I know you didn't ask me but I would like to answer anyway.... with a little help from the United Nations:

 

The United Nations definition of human trafficking is "The recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of persons, by means of the threat or use of force or other forms of coercion, of abduction, of fraud, of deception, of the abuse of power or of a position of vulnerability or of the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another person, for the purpose of exploitation".

The payment was made directly to the women, not to anyone "having control over" them. Under the definition, (of age 18+) prostitution is not trafficking, but prostitution through a person having control (pimp) is... hence the "bar fine" loophole... "whatever happens once they leave the bar is none of my business".

I maintain the Swedes are innocent under the UN definition, and kow-towing for favours by the "authorities" has effectively impoverished 15 families. And at 15k a month I bet they're already looking for another cyber "den" to work in.

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in this country you would be hard pressed to find 20% of the government employees that could pass a lifestyle check.. the guys will get out in a few years but it will cost a lot of money which is always what its about...

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I know you didn't ask me but I would like to answer anyway.... with a little help from the United Nations:

 

The United Nations definition of human trafficking is "The recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of persons, by means of the threat or use of force or other forms of coercion, of abduction, of fraud, of deception, of the abuse of power or of a position of vulnerability or of the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another person, for the purpose of exploitation".

The payment was made directly to the women, not to anyone "having control over" them. Under the definition, (of age 18+) prostitution is not trafficking, but prostitution through a person having control (pimp) is... hence the "bar fine" loophole... "whatever happens once they leave the bar is none of my business".

I maintain the Swedes are innocent under the UN definition, and kow-towing for favours by the "authorities" has effectively impoverished 15 families. And at 15k a month I bet they're already looking for another cyber "den" to work in.

 

I maintain the Swedes are not only innocent under the UN definition but also under Philippine law !!

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I maintain the Swedes are not only innocent under the UN definition but also under Philippine law !!

 

More than a few people will be eagerly awaiting the outcome of the appeal... I hope good sense prevails... but there the saving face aspect for the appeal judges to consider too.

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More than a few people will be eagerly awaiting the outcome of the appeal... I hope good sense prevails... but there the saving face aspect for the appeal judges to consider too.

 

 

 

i think that they want to prove that they are doing their part in helping with the human trafficing problem and the exploitation of women in general, however, as usual, its one step forward and 5 steps back. They cant seem to keep from looking like fools on the international stage. They are so badly in need of some good spin doctors

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I hadnt read the actual law, but do find it hard to see any "trafficking" in the ordinary sense of the word.

 

Some women were paid (and apparently well paid) to work in a building in (perhaps) their own town to which they came and went voluntarily.

Millions of people do that every day, so that can not be "trafficking".

 

The law, and anyone else, may object to the actual work they were doing, but that is a different matter.

 

 

As for their "job", if showing their attributes was universally illegal, much of Hollywood and the international film industry would close down, and many beaches in the UK would be empty.

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i think that they want to prove that they are doing their part in helping with the human trafficing problem and the exploitation of women in general, however, as usual, its one step forward and 5 steps back. They cant seem to keep from looking like fools on the international stage. They are so badly in need of some good spin doctors

 

I reckon we'd make a good team... you've got the spin and I've got the way with wordsbiggrin_01.gif

 

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