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Why this particular Oil?

 

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Read the Message Posts of Member, Georgecls, who was a Senior Member of Ducati Monster.org, and a 'Tribologist' - Lubrication Specialist

with name of George Morrison, STLE CLS (Certified Lubrication Specialist)

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on this this particular Thread:-

 

Ducati Monster Forums: Ducati Monster Motorcycle Forum > Monster Messages > Technavbits_finallink_ltr.gif Motor Oil

http://www.ducatimonster.org/forums/tech/122020-motor-oil.html

Started 01-06-2006, and as far as I am concerned, ended 83 Pages later, efectively, on 11-17-2008 with Message #824, with announcement of George's death:-

It is with great sadness that I post this information:

STLE CLS)
aka
, passed away on November 14th from complications of leukemia.

Here's a link to the DesmOhio announcement:

RIP George. Thank you for your kindness and willingness to give.

-Bob

GeorgeCLS might have died, but his knowledge and experience as a Certified Lubrication Specialist (CLS), that he shared on that Forum, lives on!

To save you reading through 83 Pages, I will SUMMARISE the recommendation of GeorgeCLS for performance 4 Stroke Motocyles

or follow this URL listing just the posts of GeorgeCLS http://www.ducatimonster.org/forums/search.php?searchid=516537

  1. If you don't need 20W/50, but can get away with, and obtain 0W/30 or 10W/30 or 10W/40 then do so!
    Higher Viscosity Oils, rob Power and increase Fuel Consumption, and generate more heat!
    As we have previously discussed numerous times on this thread, the use of a 50W will not "hurt" your Ducati engine;
    it will just run hotter, with less horsepower at the rear wheel, will not shift as...
     
  2. Fully Synthetic Oils are more stable over wider temperature range, than Mineral Oils, and help an engine run COOLER!
    The high temperature operating condition certainly merits additional discussion. Extremely high operating temperatures as previously posted are a *significant* issue with mineral based engine oils....
  3. Semi Synthetic Oils add a weak link - the Mineral Oil content!
     
  4. Buy the right Synthetic Oil, without 'Friction Modifiers' Additives (that will make wet plate clutches slip)
    Standard Mobile 1 is for cars with separate Dry Clutch, and Gearbox has an "Energy-Conserving" on the label.
    This 'Additive' may potentially cause Motorcycle wet clutch to SLIP
    http://www.ducati.ms/forums/80-hall-wisdom/74198-case-using-mobil-1-15w-50-automobile-oil-motorcycle.html
    xxon-Mobil claims, as a selling point, that the formulation of motorcycle-specific Mobil 1 MX4T has none (?) of the oil additives called friction modifiers (usually molybdenum-based but not necessarily) that could lead to clutch slippage in some wet-clutch motorcycles. This is not an concern, of course, for dry clutch models. But, this IS supposed to be the current compelling reason to avoid some automobile-specific formulations of Mobil 1 that now contain friction modifiers to meet fuel economy mandates, when previously they did not. At it turns out, wet-clutch slippage can be a problem, and seen more often when you use the lower viscosity 10W-30 Mobil 1 and other oils that are designated "Energy-Conserving" on the bottle. As a perspective on this issue, a Oct 2000 Motorcycle Consumer News test showed that the molybdenum content of Mobil 1 MX4T motorcycle-specific oil is 5 ppm and 11 ppm for Mobil 1 15W-50 automobile-specific oil.
     
    see also http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/archive/index.php/t-17291.html
  5. Group IV or V full synthetic 10W-40 would be highly preferential...
  6. "The Mobil 1 Racing 4T is currently being used in thousands of bikes utilizing wet clutches and no slippage."
  7. "The name for Mobil 1 MX4T has been changed here in the U.S. to align with the European/International name, Mobil 1 Racing 4T.
    Same formulation, just international name standardization".
     
  8. Use a very strong, Rare Earth Magnet (Neodymium)in the Sump Drain Plug or attach to the metal Oil Filter
    "..excellent question regarding the use of a high quality magnet for use in the oil drain plug, and one I do not think we have discussed and is quite important as it relates to Neodymium....."
     
  9. "From my posted analysis, the EaO filters are *very* effective to 10 microns. The Neodymium magnet can effectively filter ferrous particles down to 1 angstrom... So, yes, even with the EaO, the use of..."

CONCLUSION: I would like to TRY Mobil 1 Racing 4T to see if it lowers the oil temperature, increases power slightly and makes changing gears slicker?

ANYONE KNOW IF Mobil 1 Racing 4T IS AVAILABLE IN CEBU?

If so where and how much does it cost?

http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view+classifieds/id/3078979/MOBIL+1+Fully+Synthetic+Engine+Oil+%22No.+1+Worldwide%22by%3A+Experts

NEW!! Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 for motorcycle ( like ducati, bmw and other hi end class.) (PHP795)

 

Bruce (RBM) said he used to buy it (Php999), but no longer available?

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Stranded Shipscook

I think i saw it in ace hardware at SM city , if not mobile, than other high class Castrol products with the same specs. But don't nail me on that, we all know how the "stock' situation changes.

 

Other places could be the distributors of other real Big Motorbikes such as Honda in Lahug.

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For Real

Mobil 1 also in the Car & Truck parts place near Ace Hardware - can't remember how much it cost....and this was about 4 months ago

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I have always wondered why it is difficult to find anything other than multigrade oils here. The only real advantage of multigrade oil is for cold weather starts, hardly an issue here. Multigrade oil also breaks down much easier and faster in high heat applications, such as in air cooled engines.

 

Most air cooled manufacturers prior to overhead valve design recommended using multigrade oil only in extreme temperatures. Briggs and Stratton ran hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of testing proving that an air cooled 5 HP L-head engines using multigrade oil had many times the rate of oil consumption than a monograde oil, and that overall life expectancy of these engines ran with only multigrade oils was under 50% of those same engines ran only with monograde oil under the same conditions. In fact, their tests were so lopsided that they declared up to one tablespoon of oil consumption per hour was acceptable for engines running multigrade oil, but only one tablespoon per 10 hours operation was acceptable for those running monograde oil.

 

It seems that in the Philippines, the only thing of interest is "gas or diesel"? Funny, since most good quality diesel engine oils meet all requirements and specifications of most gasoline engines.

 

I also will assume the Ducatis were probably liquid cooled. The 4T oils do have a distinct advantage for wet clutches, but I will never run a multigrade oil in an aircooled engine, and monograde 4T oil is very difficult to find.

 

:ROFLMAO:

 

 

Larry in Dumaguete

 

Former instructor of small engine repair and diagnostics for B&S corp.

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David_LivinginTalisay

Hi Guys, thanks for the replies, but don't think you read what I posted!

I'm NOT after ordinary Mobil 1 Synthetic Oil for CARS (which should available in ACE Hardware according to their website)

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Mobil 1 Fully Synthetic Motor Oil Gallon....................................

Mobil 1 Fully Synthetic Motor Oil Liter

I am NOT after the ABOVE

Mobil 1 Fully Synthetic Motor Oil products

What I asked about finding Stock of was Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 (aka Mobil MX4T 10W-40 in USA previously )

Motorcycle Oils

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Like Mobil 1 automotive products, the two Mobil 1 motorcycle oils are based on proven, advanced synthetic oil technology. These unique, fully synthetic motorcycle oils are scientifically engineered to withstand the extreme heat produced by high-revving motorcycle engines and the toughest riding conditions. These formulations are designed specifically for the unique needs of motorcycles.

Mobil 1 motorcycle oils deliver outstanding protection against motorcycle engine wear, even under extreme conditions. They offer:

  • Enhanced high-temperature durability.
  • Outstanding engine cleanliness.
  • Enhanced lubrication for maximum horsepower.
  • Excellent protection at peak engine RPM.
  • Excellent transmission performance (in 10W-40/20W-50 grades).

Available as:

Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40

Mobil 1 V-Twin 20W-50 (slow revving like Harley Davidson's)

 

 

Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40

New Formulation - Engineered for on-road, off-road and competition four-cycle motorcycles. Key benefits of Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40:

  • Helps provide optimum acceleration and peak horsepower
  • Scientifically developed high-performance additive system
  • Provides excellent engine protection at peak rpm
  • Superb transmission protection

spacer.gifMobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 is recommended for four-cycle motorcycles which specify the use of a 10W-40 engine oil. It provides excellent performance in motorcycle engines that are designed with a common engine/transmission lubrication system or where the engine lubrication system is separate from the transmission system. In the case of the latter, follow the manufacturer's recommendation for the type of fluid to be used in the transmission. Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 engine oil is also designed to provide the proper frictional characteristics necessary for wet-clutch engine/transmission systems. Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 meets or exceeds the requirements of API Service Categories SM, SJ, SH/CF, JASO MA and has been fully tested, both on laboratory dynamometers and in the field, to provide optimum horsepower and acceleration.

 

Fully synthetic Mobil 1 motorcycle oils are specifically engineered for use in motorcycles. The formulations are based on the proven technology used in other Mobil 1 automotive products, yet they are optimized for outstanding protection for motorcycle engines, transmissions and clutches. You can use them with confidence, knowing they will protect your bike in extreme situations where conventional motor oils simply cannot compare, including extended high-speed operation and prolonged idling in summertime traffic.

 

For more information, see the Mobil 1 Motorcycle Oil Product Data Sheet and Material Safety Data Sheet.

 

Note: Please check bottle labels as inventory transitions to the new formulation.

 

Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 was previously known as Mobil 1 MX4T 10W-40.

 

 

 

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Mobil 1 Motorcycle Oils

 

Full Synthetic, High-Performance Motorcycle Engine Oils

 

Product Description

Mobil 1 Motorcycle Oils are advanced performance synthetic motorcycle oils. The unique, synthetic structure of the Mobil 1 Motorcycle formulations enables them to offer advantages beyond conventional motorcycle oils of similar viscosities. For example, base oils become lighter in viscosity as temperature increase. This characteristic forces manufacturers of oils to use thickeners which will help the oil maintain its viscosity as the temperature increase. These thickeners, however, can shear down and lose their thickening capacity in an operating engine or transmission. Synthetic fluids do not require as much thickener to achieve a multigrade viscosity rating and, in some cases, do not require any thickener. As a result, synthetic formulations tend to be very shear stable and thus, provide a solid, protective oil film for engine bearings, piston rings, transmission gears and other critical engine parts.

 

Both Mobil 1 Motorcycle formulations offer excellent flow characteristics at low temperatures to help reduce engine wear at start-up, and provide outstanding resistance to oxidation and/or volatilization at high temperatures, both of which degrade the oil. Further, the Mobil 1 Motorcycle Oils help provide outstanding protection against engine wear under high-temperature and high engine speed conditions. Each of the Mobil 1 Motorcycle product formulations have been optimized to help meet the unique performance characteristics demanded by motorcycle engines and thus, provide an extremely high level of performance and protection for motorcycle engines

 

 

Features and Potential Benefits

Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 and Mobil 1 V-Twin 20W-50 4-cycle motorcycle oils

 

  • Maximum shear stability to help resist viscosity shear down in high performance engines and transmissions
  • Exceptional thermal stability to help resist oxidation and high-temperature degradation
  • Outstanding protection against wear of engine and transmission components
  • Enhanced lubrication to help maintain maximum power and acceleration over the life of the engine
  • Optimized wet-clutch performance, meets JASO MA
  • Excellent low temperature flow characteristics to help minimize engine wear during start-up

Applications

Mobil 1 Motorcycle Oils are full synthetic, high-performance engine oils formulated specifically to meet the demanding needs of motorcycle engines. Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 is designed primarily for on-road, high-performance, 4-cycle sport bikes, however, it may be used in other types of on and off-road 4-cycle motorcycles especially where a 10W-40 viscosity grade is specified. Mobil 1 V-Twin 20W-50 is formulated to help offer outstanding protection in 4-cycle, V-Twin type engines, particularly those which are air cooled and tend to run hotter than other types of engines.

 

Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 and Mobil 1 V-Twin 20W-50 are recommended for 4-cycle, motorcycles which specify the use of a 10W-40 or a 20W-50 engine oil, respectively. These products will help provide excellent performance in motorcycle engines that are designed with a common engine/transmission lubrication system or where the engine lubrication system is separate from the transmission system. In the case of the latter, follow the manufacturer's recommendation for the type of fluid to be used in the transmission. Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 and Mobil 1 V-Twin 20W-50 engine oils are also designed to help provide the proper frictional characteristics necessary for wet-clutch engine/transmission systems. Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 and Mobil 1 V-Twin 20W-50 meet or exceed the requirements of API Service Categories SJ, SH, SG/CF, CD and JASO MA . They have been fully tested, both on laboratory dynamometers and in the field, to help provide optimum horsepower and acceleration.

 

Specifications and Approvals

 

 

Mobil 1 Motorcycle Oils meet or exceed the requirements of:.....Racing 4T............................V-Twin

API SM.................................................................................................X

API SLX

API SJ..................................................................................................X.............................................X

API SH.................................................................................................X

API CF.................................................................................................X.............................................X

JASO MA............................................................................................X.............................................X

Typical Properties

 

Mobil 1 Motorcycle OilsRacing 4T.......V-Twin

Engine/Application Type..............................................................4-Cycle.......................................4-Cycle

SAE Grade...................................................................................10W-40........................................20W-50

Service Classification......................................................................API SM,SL, SJ,SH,CF,JASO MA.....API SJ,CF,JASO MA

Density, g/ml @ 15.6

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David_LivinginTalisay

[quote name='shadow' timestamp='1301995170' post='302481'

]I have always wondered why it is difficult to find anything other than multigrade oils here. The only real advantage of multigrade oil is for cold weather starts, hardly an issue here. Multigrade oil also breaks down much easier and faster in high heat applications, such as in air cooled engines.

 

Most air cooled manufacturers prior to overhead valve design recommended using multigrade oil only in extreme temperatures. Briggs and Stratton ran hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of testing proving that an air cooled 5 HP L-head engines using multigrade oil had many times the rate of oil consumption than a monograde oil, and that overall life expectancy of these engines ran with only multigrade oils was under 50% of those same engines ran only with monograde oil under the same conditions. In fact, their tests were so lopsided that they declared up to one tablespoon of oil consumption per hour was acceptable for engines running multigrade oil, but only one tablespoon per 10 hours operation was acceptable for those running monograde oil.

 

It seems that in the Philippines, the only thing of interest is "gas or diesel"? Funny, since most good quality diesel engine oils meet all requirements and specifications of most gasoline engines.

 

I also will assume the Ducatis were probably liquid cooled.

 

The 4T oils do have a distinct advantage for wet clutches, but I will never run a multigrade oil in an aircooled engine, and monograde 4T oil is very difficult to find.

 

 

 

Larry in Dumaguete

 

Former instructor of small engine repair and diagnostics for B&S corp.

 

There are Monogrde 4T Oils, I tried one in my Yamaha XT225, but it seemed to run even hotter than with Multigrade!

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SHELL have a Monograde Motorcyle Oil

http://www.shell.com...icants/advance/

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Shell Advance AX3 SAE-40

 

Mineral 4-stroke motorcycle engine oil.

 

Shell Advance AX3 is an ideal oil for Tricycles and mopeds with small, hot-running, hard-working engines that require reliable oil performance for continuous protection.

 

Shell Advance AX3 offers high oil-performance reliability to help protect and clean your engine between oil changes.

 

Key Features

 

  • Protection against valve train wear
  • Removal of sludge and engine deposits
  • Offers optimised performance for Tricycles

The XT225 Manual says SAE 10W/40 for up to 45 Deg C, SAE 20W/50 for up to 50 Deg C. and API Service SE, SF. SG or higher

Read this http://www.morrislub...mpany.asp?wp=95 Not sure if these 4 Stroke Motorcycle Oils from Pheonix are significantly cheaper, but sound suitable?

They do a Monograde SE 40 SE Rating, as well as 20W/50 SG Rating?

logo.jpg MOTORCYCLE OILS

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Phoenix Cyclomax

Force 4T

SE 40

PHOENIX CYCLOMAX FORCE Motorcycle Oil is a superior product featuring advanced additive technology for engines requiring single grade oils. It meets API SE rating which serves most of the highly charged and turbo-powered engines. It consists of excellent detergency properties that extensively clean all parts of the engine.

 

Quality Level: SE 40

 

Recommended for:

  • Air-cooled and water-cooled 4-stroke motorcycle engines
  • 4-stroke gasoline engines fitted to portable power equipment such as generators, pumps, mowers, etc. requiring single grade oils

Benefits:

  • Provides good control of ring belt and piston skirt deposit under high-speed operation
  • Anti-wear additive system controls wear under varying high-speed and high-load conditions
  • Resists oil degradation at high temperature and protects against oil thickening

4-stroke motorcycle engine oil, SAE 40

PTT MAX SPEED 4T

PTT MAX SPEED 4T: Monograde 4-stroke motorcycle engine oil, SAE 40, which exceeds the performance level of API SF, produced from a high quality base oil and a special additive.

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Benefit

  • Provides good lubrication and engine cleanliness.
  • Provides good wear protection on engine and gearboxes.
  • Extends engine life.

Application

  • Recommended for lubricating engine, clutch and gearboxes of general 4-stroke motorcycles.

I would rather buy a less expensive oil, that still meet specifications and change more frequently!

I do not want it running hotter however!

If a fully Synthetic will help an air-cooled 4T run cooler, I want to try it!

OK for no Clutch slip, and passes SE Rating as the minimum, it should be OK, I would have thought.

I am willing to pay more, for fully synthetic 4T oil, if it means less wear on the engine AND runs cooler (more power and better fuel economy might be added bonus?).

Read also

http://www.ducatimon...tor-oil-16.html

Mobil 1 Racing 4T (MX4T) 10W-40

If I can't get that in Cebu @ decent price (P795 in Manila!) and others interested, and we could meet the Minimum Order Quantity and share shipping to Cebu costs?

Dear Sir,

Greetings!

This refers to your inquiry regarding the
Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40
. I would like to ask the quantity requirements do you need in a month so that i can give you special price. Actually the product is available now, it just arrived yesterday but for a
minimum quantity only
and selling it for
Php795.00 per liter
. If you need a bigger quantity maybe i can make a special arrangement with the next shipment if they can give another discount for the shipment.

If you need other mobil products that are not on my list just let me know.

Thank you. more engine power.

Sherwin Gonzales

Alternatively I could try Shells Fully Synthetic 4T Motorcycle Oil product:-

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Shell Advance Ultra 10W-40

 

Synthetic 4-stroke motorcycle engine oil designed to offer Shell's ultimate protection and performance, helping to prolong engine life. It provides enhanced control with smoother gear changes and an enjoyable ride by reducing noise and vibration.

 

Key Features

 

  • Fully synthetic technology designed to offer ultimate protection and oil-performance reliability
  • Enhanced shear stability to dampen vibration and reduce noise
  • Optimised friction control for smoother clutch engagement and gear changes
  • Shell's ultimate protection against valve train wear
  • Removal of sludge and engine deposits

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Get the most out of your bike

 

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I can't comment on the oil, as I have no info....

 

But I saw mention of using magnets on the oil pan and wanted to second that notion. They are super cheap and can save a lot of wear on your engine. They can also let you know if something is amiss with your engine. When an oil filter catches metal debris usually you don't see it unless you take apart the filter. With a magnet you can easily see if there are any metal flakes, chips, powder, etc. Cheap insurance!

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I can't comment on the oil, as I have no info....

 

But I saw mention of using magnets on the oil pan and wanted to second that notion. They are super cheap and can save a lot of wear on your engine. They can also let you know if something is amiss with your engine. When an oil filter catches metal debris usually you don't see it unless you take apart the filter. With a magnet you can easily see if there are any metal flakes, chips, powder, etc. Cheap insurance!

 

I recall my 1st ever motorcycle '64 Honda C92 'Benly' had an Oil Drain Plug with a magnet in the center. Doubt if if that was a 'Neo' rare earth magnet however?

 

I decided to purchase one from a guy who machines standard XT225 Oil Drain Plugs

Magnetic Drain Plugs for the XT225

 

#19895 - 04/10/07 04:51 PM

Magnetic Drain Plugs for the XT225

 

Mule

Junior Member

 

Registered: 04/09/07

Posts: 24

Loc: Eastern

 

These are the Magnetic Drain Plugs that I'll be making for the XT225.

http://home.bellsout...geid=283286&ck=

 

If anyone is interested, I make them using the stock OEM drain plug. I machine the plug to accept the magnet and secure it using a spiral lock ring so it can't come loose.

I charge $10.00 to do the modification plus $4.05 for 2-3 day Priority mail shipping. This includes the magnet/lock ring. The machining is free, All I ask is that you make a donation to this forum. As soon as I receive your drain plug I'll machine it and send it out the next day.

I've machined about 50 of these for the TW200 and thought that you may want one as well.

 

This is an interesting read about magnetic filtering.

http://www.greenmedi...alk/0605_st.asp

Anyway you can send your plug to

John Jolley

6230 Alderwood Ave.

Port Saint John, FL

32927 or call me at 321 639-3582 if you have any questions.

They really work very well and I havn't had any complaints.

Regards,

John Jolley

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If you don't think that these magnets will pick up dirt or sand check this out.

Some Dirt/Sand has magnetic ore in it.

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(Pity the guy does not seem to know about 'Macro' setting for good close up focussed pictures?)

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I'm not sure if they are doing it nowadays but I wish they would install these on all cars. The only car I have ever owned that had one from the factory was an 87 Porsche 944S. I have read some people say my 94 Trans Am should have came with one, but when I bought the car used it had a standard plug.

 

I tend to buy mostly older cars and fix them up so not sure whats being done today but as you showed with your '64 example....they had the tech back then, should have been using it all along.

 

I remember doing an oil change on my friends S10 that we had built a motor for and raced. We noticed some metal on the magnet (none was showing on the dipstick) and tore then motor down. Come to find out a crank bearing was going bad fast. Might have cost us a lot of money if things had come apart during a race...both in cost of engine parts and money lost on bets(not to mention the safety factor). Drain plug cost us like $5-10.

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There are Monogrde 4T Oils, I tried one in my Yamaha XT225, but it seemed to run even hotter than with Multigrade!

shell.gif

SHELL have a Monograde Motorcyle Oil

http://www.shell.com...icants/advance/

advance_ax3_240.jpg

Shell Advance AX3 SAE-40

 

Mineral 4-stroke motorcycle engine oil.

 

Shell Advance AX3 is an ideal oil for Tricycles and mopeds with small, hot-running, hard-working engines that require reliable oil performance for continuous protection.

 

Shell Advance AX3 offers high oil-performance reliability to help protect and clean your engine between oil changes.

 

Key Features

 

  • Protection against valve train wear
  • Removal of sludge and engine deposits
  • Offers optimised performance for Tricycles

The XT225 Manual says SAE 10W/40 for up to 45 Deg C, SAE 20W/50 for up to 50 Deg C. and API Service SE, SF. SG or higher

Read this http://www.morrislub...mpany.asp?wp=95 Not sure if these 4 Stroke Motorcycle Oils from Pheonix are significantly cheaper, but sound suitable?

They do a Monograde SE 40 SE Rating, as well as 20W/50 SG Rating?

logo.jpg MOTORCYCLE OILS

pnx_force.jpg

Phoenix Cyclomax

Force 4T

SE 40

PHOENIX CYCLOMAX FORCE Motorcycle Oil is a superior product featuring advanced additive technology for engines requiring single grade oils. It meets API SE rating which serves most of the highly charged and turbo-powered engines. It consists of excellent detergency properties that extensively clean all parts of the engine.

 

Quality Level: SE 40

 

Recommended for:

  • Air-cooled and water-cooled 4-stroke motorcycle engines
  • 4-stroke gasoline engines fitted to portable power equipment such as generators, pumps, mowers, etc. requiring single grade oils

Benefits:

  • Provides good control of ring belt and piston skirt deposit under high-speed operation
  • Anti-wear additive system controls wear under varying high-speed and high-load conditions
  • Resists oil degradation at high temperature and protects against oil thickening

4-stroke motorcycle engine oil, SAE 40

PTT MAX SPEED 4T

PTT MAX SPEED 4T: Monograde 4-stroke motorcycle engine oil, SAE 40, which exceeds the performance level of API SF, produced from a high quality base oil and a special additive.

max-speed%201L%204T%20p.jpg

Benefit

  • Provides good lubrication and engine cleanliness.
  • Provides good wear protection on engine and gearboxes.
  • Extends engine life.

Application

  • Recommended for lubricating engine, clutch and gearboxes of general 4-stroke motorcycles.

I would rather buy a less expensive oil, that still meet specifications and change more frequently!

I do not want it running hotter however!

If a fully Synthetic will help an air-cooled 4T run cooler, I want to try it!

OK for no Clutch slip, and passes SE Rating as the minimum, it should be OK, I would have thought.

I am willing to pay more, for fully synthetic 4T oil, if it means less wear on the engine AND runs cooler (more power and better fuel economy might be added bonus?).

Read also

http://www.ducatimon...tor-oil-16.html

Mobil 1 Racing 4T (MX4T) 10W-40

If I can't get that in Cebu @ decent price (P795 in Manila!) and others interested, and we could meet the Minimum Order Quantity and share shipping to Cebu costs?

Alternatively I could try
Shells Fully Synthetic 4T Motorcycle Oil
product:-

advance_ultra_240.jpg

Shell Advance Ultra 10W-40

 

Synthetic 4-stroke motorcycle engine oil designed to offer Shell's ultimate protection and performance, helping to prolong engine life. It provides enhanced control with smoother gear changes and an enjoyable ride by reducing noise and vibration.

 

Key Features

 

  • Fully synthetic technology designed to offer ultimate protection and oil-performance reliability
  • Enhanced shear stability to dampen vibration and reduce noise
  • Optimised friction control for smoother clutch engagement and gear changes
  • Shell's ultimate protection against valve train wear
  • Removal of sludge and engine deposits

advance_motorcycles.jpg

Get the most out of your bike

 

David I would be interested in buying as would my brother. Was running it in my little Serow for years, was available at Du Ek Sam Dumaguete but suddenly no more. Tried all the big bikes in Cebu but nothing.

Would definitely buy 5 liters.

Thanks for the post.

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Another article on Oil for Motorcycles:-

Motorcycle Motor Oil

by Mike Guillory

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http://vfrworld.com/...fr/tech/oil.htm

 

 

 

AddendumIn the past several years, various reports went around regarding independent studies that showed "automotive" oils that are not energy-conserving (EC) work just as well as motorcycle-specific oil and in many cases better. In former revisions to this article I listed the oils I found locally (Houston, Tx) that were 10w40 and heavier and not energy-conserving. I've discontinued that as it adds little value. All one needs to do is look at the back of the oil container where the lower half of the identification circle will have the words "energy conserving" if it is. Don't use those in wet clutch motorcycle applications, as they may cause clutch slippage. If the lower half of that circle is blank, as all 10w40 and heavier oils should, that means it is NOT energy conserving and should be fine in wet clutch applications.

 

Heavy-Duty Oils

 

My favorite oils and the ones I most mostly recommend for motorcycle use, are the "heavy-duty" oils. They are commonly misunderstood, and often referred to as "diesel oils." They are NOT energy conserving, have higher zinc levels, as high as 0.16%, and by virtue of their multi-duty have a better engine protection package than an oil that is only rated "SL". These heavy-duty oils are rated SJ or SL, plus CH-4. They are currently closer in formulation to the motorcycle specific oils and to the "SG" oils that many motorcycle makers recommend. Following are some examples of these oils, generally 15w40 oils by industry convention. There may be several other 15w40 oils that I am not familiar with.

 

  1. Castrol RX Super 15w40
  2. Chevron Delo 400 15w40
  3. Mobil Delvac 1300 Super 15w40
  4. Pennzoil Long-Life 15w40
  5. Quaker State 4X4 Synthetic Blend 15w40
  6. Shell Rotella-T 15w40 (my personal favorite)
  7. SuperTech 2000 (WalMart) 15w40
  8. Valvoline All Fleet 15w40
  9. Castrol Syntec Blend Truck and 4X4 15w40

Full Synthetics - for Maximum ProtectionFor years Mobil One 15w50 has been a favorite of motorcyclists. In recent years it has gone from its original formulation to an improved SJ "TriSynthetic", and more recently as SL "SuperSyn." several of us have received conflicting information on this new "flavor" of Mobil One, but the consensus appears to be that the new SuperSyn has additional friction modifiers and may no longer be a good choice for motorcycles. However, I have heard from several VFR owners still using it with favorable results. Therefore, YMMV. Mobil naturally recommends their motorcycle Mobil One.

 

A fairly new player in the synthetic market is Shell with Rotella-T Full Synthetic 5w40. It is not energy-conserving and according to Shell performs competitively with Mobil Delvac One full synthtetic, which means it offers even more protection than does Mobil One 15w50. A number of motorcyclists have reported to me good results so far with his use of the new Synthetic Rotella-T. I put it in my own VFR at my last oil change.

 

Delvac One should be an excellent motorcycle oil but is generally available only at truck stops or in commercial quantities. For those who may have connections with a long-haul trucking operation, where Delvac One is known to be used in oil change intervals up to 150,000 miles, or even more, you may want to try it if the price is right.

 

There are a number of other synthetic and semi-synthetic oils available and I have no reason to believe they are in any way inferior. Just follow the advice and use one which is not energy conserving.

 

Important Note: Be sure and use the recommended viscosity range, e.g. 10w40, 20w50, etc. for the climate in your area. In general, to protect your motor use the heaviest oil you can that still meets the manufacturer's guidelines. For example, 20w50 is better in warm weather than 10w40, because it gives you a thicker oil cushion between bearing surfaces at operating temperature. For racing, a thinner oil will offer less resistance and thus more power, but will offer less protection.

 

I personally believe in these oils and use nothing else in my motorcycles. As always, you have to make your own, informed decisions.

 

Web Master's Note

The author is a Chemist, retired from a major Oil and Chemical Company, after a career in the Quality Assurance of Fuels, Lubricants, and Chemical products. He and his wife both ride

 

Now it is getting confusing!

GeogeCLS, a Certified Lubrication Specialist, suggests use the lowest. lighter oils that cover the temperature range, since thicker, more viscous oils, produce 'drag', that reduces power to some extent and increases fuel consumption.

Now here is Mike Guillory, seemingly also a Lubrication Specialist, suggesting to use the highest, heaviest oil covered in the Specifications for particular motorcycle?

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JasonEcos

My experience is mostly with car engines but we would use thicker oil, often 20w50. Oil thins with heat so sometimes thinner oils don't protect well enough. We were building engines in the 300-600hp range and using thinner oil we did not notice any performance gains (horsepower wise) without using a dyno. While its not very scientific measuring HP by how the car feels/time slips we could definitely notice a difference with weather changes, using octane boost, using a fuel cooler box, etc. I don;t know how it affected gas mileage.

 

I;m by no means an oil specialist, thats just going by my own personal experience. The thicker oil is supposed to protect better and did not hurt performance a noticeable amount so we stuck with it. But then these were modified engines, not stock. In my stock cars I often use 10w40 in the summer and lighter weight in the winter since they weren't being abused nearly so much.

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David I would be interested in buying as would my brother. Was running it in my little Serow for years, was available at Du Ek Sam Dumaguete but suddenly no more. Tried all the big bikes in Cebu but nothing.

Would definitely buy 5 liters.

Thanks for the post.

 

Bruce (RBM),

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If one was in the USA, one could buy Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 direct off

Mobil1RacingStore.com

Call us toll free 866-254-7103

Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40

Case of 6 1-quart bottles.

Price includes shipping.

Regular Price: $69.98

US$70 for 6 x Quart bottles, equates to 5.68 liters

5.68 liters @ current Exchange Rate = US$1/ Php43.14 would be Php3,019.45 Php532/liter

Using MyShoppingBox to ship by sea, would cost US$32.50Php3,052 for 6 x Quart Bottles (Php538/liter)

(plus any Customs/Duty charges?)

http://sulit.com.ph/3078979

NEW!! Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 for motorcycle ( like ducati, bmw and other hi end class.)

 

(PHP795)

 

http://www.mobiloil.com/usa-english/motoroil/oils/mobil1_racing_4t_10w-40.asp

 

Read more: http://www.sulit.com...22by%3A+ExpertsManner of Delivery:

 

-Free Delivery with in Metro Manila for 40 liters and up.

 

 

-Meet ups with delivery charge*-*Delivery Charge of Php200-Php300 depending on the location with in Manila for 10 liters below

Read more: http://www.sulit.com...22by%3A+Experts

This refers to your inquiry regarding the Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40. I would like to ask the quantity requirements do you need in a month so that i can give you special price. Actually the product is available now, it just arrived yesterday but for a minimum quantity only and selling it for Php795.00 per liter. If you need a bigger quantity maybe i can make a special arrangement with the next shipment if they can give another discount for the shipment
.

I have gone back to this guy Sherwin Gonzales to inquire how many liter bottles is the minimum order, and how many for FREE delivery to Cebu!

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I would look very carefully at the JASO MA classification. If it has been tested the bottle will have a circular seal with the lettering. If it only says complies with or exceeds, this means that Mobil tested it in house.

 

JASO is the code that the oil has been tested by the "The Japanese Automotive Standards Organization" and the MA means it is for 4 stroke motorcycle engines.

 

A cheaper possibly easier to obtain oil may be Shell Rotella T

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Contact Drei bikes, Andrei, the owner can get you anything you need at a good price 09173215028

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I would look very carefully at the JASO MA classification. If it has been tested the bottle will have a circular seal with the lettering. If it only says complies with or exceeds, this means that Mobil tested it in house.

 

JASO is the code that the oil has been tested by the "The Japanese Automotive Standards Organization" and the MA means it is for 4 stroke motorcycle engines.

 

A cheaper possibly easier to obtain oil may be Shell Rotella T

 

I can not find Shell Rotella Rotell T on their Philippines website

 

http://www.shell.com...ix_diesel_plus/

 

 

Shell Helix Diesel Plus

 

 

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Specification & Approvals:

Meets engine test requirement of API SM, ACEA A3/B3/B4, BMW LL-01, MB Approval 229.5, VW 502 00/503.01/505 00

HELIX ULTRA E is what Shell suggest for my Hyundai Matrix 1.5 CRDi VGT

See http://www.carbibles.com/engineoil_bible.html

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David I would be interested in buying as would my brother. Was running it in my little Serow for years, was available at Du Ek Sam Dumaguete but suddenly no more. Tried all the big bikes in Cebu but nothing.

Would definitely buy 5 liters.

Thanks for the post.

 

 

 

Bruce, I emailed that Guy, Sherwin, who was offering Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 @ Php795.00 per liter

I explained that if I bought from Mobil1RacingStore.com they offer Case of 6 x Quart Bottles of Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40

Price includes shipping. Regular Price: $69.98

 

 

Amazon showed a Quart bottle of Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 to have a weight of 1.9 Pounds,

so Case, 6 = 12 Pounds x $2.50/per pound = $30 Shipping using MyShoppingBox.com Account with California Address.

US$69.98 + FREE Shipping to California, + $30 for shipping 6 x 1.9 Pound Bottles (Quart) = US$590.88 = Php4,134.00 for 6 x Quart Bottles (5.678 liters or Php728/liter)

Sherwin offered the following deal to improve on that:-

"My volume order would be a minimum of 6 cases by 6 liters.

I can give it to you for Php700 per liter as introductory price, since the shipping cost today has a promo discount"

So 36 x 1 liter bottles of Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 @ P700 each = P25,200.00

I have replied to Sherwin asking for confirmation of that Deal for such 'Minimum Order of 36 x 1 liter bottles' costing Total of P25,200.00, included Shipping to Cebu?

Now the big question is, if he says it does, do we have enough Motorcyclists wanting to buy these 36 x 1 liter bottles' @ say Php750 /liter?

If not, then perhaps we might have enough wanting to buy 6 x Quart Bottles of Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 @ say Php689/ Quart bottle.

Whilst I could order more that 1 x Case of 6 Quart Bottles, I am concerned this might then attract and undue 'attention'.

One could include Insurance against loss, but that does not protect from Customs deciding charges/Duty needs to be paid?

I think the FREE BDO MyShoppingBox Account, expires at the end of April, so would need to order before then, if not buying off Sherwin.

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Bruce, I emailed that Guy, Sherwin, who was offering Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 @ Php795.00 per liter

I explained that if I bought from Mobil1RacingStore.com they offer Case of 6 x Quart Bottles of Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40

Price includes shipping. Regular Price: $69.98

 

 

Amazon showed a Quart bottle of Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 to have a weight of 1.9 Pounds,

so Case, 6 = 12 Pounds x $2.50/per pound = $30 Shipping using MyShoppingBox.com Account with California Address.

US$69.98 + FREE Shipping to California, + $30 for shipping 6 x 1.9 Pound Bottles (Quart) = US$590.88 = Php4,134.00 for 6 x Quart Bottles (5.678 liters or Php728/liter)

Sherwin offered the following deal to improve on that:-

"My volume order would be a minimum of 6 cases by 6 liters.

I can give it to you for Php700 per liter as introductory price, since the shipping cost today has a promo discount"

So 36 x 1 liter bottles of Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 @ P700 each = P25,200.00

I have replied to Sherwin asking for confirmation of that Deal for such 'Minimum Order of 36 x 1 liter bottles' costing Total of P25,200.00, included Shipping to Cebu?

Now the big question is, if he says it does, do we have enough Motorcyclists wanting to buy these 36 x 1 liter bottles' @ say Php750 /liter?

If not, then perhaps we might have enough wanting to buy 6 x Quart Bottles of Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 @ say Php689/ Quart bottle.

Whilst I could order more that 1 x Case of 6 Quart Bottles, I am concerned this might then attract and undue 'attention'.

One could include Insurance against loss, but that does not protect from Customs deciding charges/Duty needs to be paid?

I think the FREE BDO MyShoppingBox Account, expires at the end of April, so would need to order before then, if not buying off Sherwin.

David I'll be in for 6 quarts. That's about 5.5 litres if they are US quarts so should be enough for four oil changes.

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David I'll be in for 6 quarts. That's about 5.5 litres if they are US quarts so should be enough for four oil changes.

 

David I would also buy same as Lin. Thats a total of 12 quarts, gee long time since I heard that word quarts.

 

All in all would be easier to order locally even if we pay a little more. I doubt many guys will pay this amount. I did talk to Andreis boys but they cannot supply this.

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David I'll be in for 6 quarts. That's about 5.5 litres if they are US quarts so should be enough for four oil changes.

 

Lin,

I was trying to find out if there are enough takers (willing to put the money up front) to order off 'Sherwin' in Manila, which is Php700 per liter bottle.

Minimum Order being 36 Bottles

 

As I said to make that Order happen, i) Sherwin has to confirm if it INCLUDES Shipping to Cebu, ii) We have pre-sold all 36 Bottles!

The alternative is to Buy from Mobil1RacingStore.com in USA.

Advantage is their Minimum Order is just 1 x Case of 6 x Quart Bottles, and potentially costing a bit less.

Php4,134.00 for 6 x Quart Bottles (5.678 liters or Php728/liter)

Disadvantages

However if the MyShoppingBox (that I propose using for such shipment of 1 case initially) incurs any Import Duties/Customs Charges, then it may well end up costing MORE than buying from Sherwin @ Php700/liter (but dont know if this includes shipping to Cebu for 36 bottle minimum order)?

It will also take longer to receive such Oil from the USA (assuming no restrictions on shipping via Sea Freight also), than from Sherwin in Manila who already now has stock arrived of Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40

As I also mentioned, ordering 1 x Case of 6 x Quart Bottles of Oil via MyShoppingBox, might not attract too much attention. This might not be the situation, if one ordered 6 x Cases of 6 Quarts ie 36 x Quart Bottles (34 liters) costing US$420, plus cost of shipping ($172.40)?

I don't have US$500 to place such order anyway including Shipping - hence wanting money up front.

Sounds like you would take a whole Case Lin, so perhaps just order 2 x Cases x 6 Quarts from Mobil1RacingStore.com

If I am then convinced of the advantages over regular Oil, I would then Order more?

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Lin,

I was trying to find out if there are enough takers (willing to put the money up front) to order off 'Sherwin' in Manila, which is Php700 per liter bottle.

Minimum Order being 36 Bottles

 

As I said to make that Order happen, i) Sherwin has to confirm if it INCLUDES Shipping to Cebu, ii) We have pre-sold all 36 Bottles!

The alternative is to Buy from Mobil1RacingStore.com in USA.

Advantage is their Minimum Order is just 1 x Case of 6 x Quart Bottles, and potentially costing a bit less.

Php4,134.00 for 6 x Quart Bottles (5.678 liters or Php728/liter)

Disadvantages

However if the MyShoppingBox (that I propose using for such shipment of 1 case initially) incurs any Import Duties/Customs Charges, then it may well end up costing MORE than buying from Sherwin @ Php700/liter (but dont know if this includes shipping to Cebu for 36 bottle minimum order)?

It will also take longer to receive such Oil from the USA (assuming no restrictions on shipping via Sea Freight also), than from Sherwin in Manila who already now has stock arrived of Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40

As I also mentioned, ordering 1 x Case of 6 x Quart Bottles of Oil via MyShoppingBox, might not attract too much attention. This might not be the situation, if one ordered 6 x Cases of 6 Quarts ie 36 x Quart Bottles (34 liters) costing US$420, plus cost of shipping ($172.40)?

I don't have US$500 to place such order anyway including Shipping - hence wanting money up front.

Sounds like you would take a whole Case Lin, so perhaps just order 2 x Cases x 6 Quarts from Mobil1RacingStore.com

If I am then convinced of the advantages over regular Oil, I would then Order more?

 

David perhaps Shirwin would entertain a smaller order for a slightly higher per unit cost. As stated Lin would take 6 Quarts also myself, perhaps you require say 3 making a total of 15.

Be worth a go to ask him.

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Lin,

I was trying to find out if there are enough takers (willing to put the money up front) to order off 'Sherwin' in Manila, which is Php700 per liter bottle.

Minimum Order being 36 Bottles

 

As I said to make that Order happen, i) Sherwin has to confirm if it INCLUDES Shipping to Cebu, ii) We have pre-sold all 36 Bottles!

The alternative is to Buy from Mobil1RacingStore.com in USA.

Advantage is their Minimum Order is just 1 x Case of 6 x Quart Bottles, and potentially costing a bit less.

Php4,134.00 for 6 x Quart Bottles (5.678 liters or Php728/liter)

Disadvantages

However if the MyShoppingBox (that I propose using for such shipment of 1 case initially) incurs any Import Duties/Customs Charges, then it may well end up costing MORE than buying from Sherwin @ Php700/liter (but dont know if this includes shipping to Cebu for 36 bottle minimum order)?

It will also take longer to receive such Oil from the USA (assuming no restrictions on shipping via Sea Freight also), than from Sherwin in Manila who already now has stock arrived of Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40

As I also mentioned, ordering 1 x Case of 6 x Quart Bottles of Oil via MyShoppingBox, might not attract too much attention. This might not be the situation, if one ordered 6 x Cases of 6 Quarts ie 36 x Quart Bottles (34 liters) costing US$420, plus cost of shipping ($172.40)?

I don't have US$500 to place such order anyway including Shipping - hence wanting money up front.

Sounds like you would take a whole Case Lin, so perhaps just order 2 x Cases x 6 Quarts from Mobil1RacingStore.com

If I am then convinced of the advantages over regular Oil, I would then Order more?

 

David perhaps Shirwin would entertain a smaller order for a slightly higher per unit cost. As stated Lin would take 6 Quarts also myself, perhaps you require say 3 making a total of 15.

Be worth a go to ask him.

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David perhaps Shirwin would entertain a smaller order for a slightly higher per unit cost. As stated Lin would take 6 Quarts also myself, perhaps you require say 3 making a total of 15.

Be worth a go to ask him.

Yes, that is worth a go. I tend to agree with David that importing may attract unneeded attention. I have used Mobil 4T in my XT from new. First few fills were the 20W-50, last couple were 10W-40. I change it every 3000km, sooner than the manufacturer recommends The XT Service Manual interval is 5000km on mineral oil (the very old API classification SE) with 20W-40 in ambients over 30degC, 10W-30 under 30degC. Mobil 4T 10W-40 meets API SM specification (introduced in 2004) and the 20W-50 meets API SH (introduced in 1994)

 

While not having done any objective back-to-back testing against mineral oil, I can say I have not experienced any obvious symptoms of high oil/engine temps (pinging, power loss, too many cracking sounds, smelly blackened oil etc) Long hard uphill highway hauls with myself and luggage on a stinking hot day the engine runs without any sign of distress and at each change the visual appearance of the oil is good.

 

http://www.unitedoil.com.au/apiclass.htm

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