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Gulf Air net time but best if you remeber to take your baby home - CONGRATUATIONS

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Wombat No More

Yeah, good on ya mate....

 

Sorry to hear you got ripped off good and proper on fees.

 

My first, 6.3 years ago, cost me P72,000 all up for everything and 3 days accommo ... in Australia. I took my wife there to give birth in case there were any problems, but there weren't. (she is 4' 11" n me nearly 6' with large frame structure, ie 36" waist n 42" chest) If we had needed a C section birth (IN AUSTRALIA) it was to cost about P140,000 with up to 10 days accommodation included in a very much better trained and facilitated hospital than you would normally find in the Phil's. As my wife was a foreigner, I had to pay full price without any medicare. Innoculations and any other for the baby was free as she was an Australian.

 

Second baby at Mactan Doctor's Hospital 4.5 years ago. They had a plan, for P8,000 plus medications and equipment used (just over P8,000 more) for normal birth and I think 1 or 2 days hospital bed. I also had to donate a unit of blood as part of the deal. This amount included the cost of several checkups during the pregnancy but did not include the ultra sound scan near term (nearly broke the bank at P400).

 

Last baby, 2.10 years ago, we used a little birthing clinic that was owned and run by an elderly (maybe 70+) nurse/midwife I believe but she may have been a doc? A little grotty in the CR with plastic mats over the inch of water all over but the birthing room, though small, had all the gear and the old duck and two other nurse/midwives assisting. They knew what they were doing and all went well and the wife stitched up ok.

 

The reason I went to this poky little place, is because as the father, I WAS PERMITTED TO BE PRESENT AT THE BIRTH AND THEREFORE BE A COMFORT/HELP TO MY WIFE ETC. Unlike the smallminded wankers who make it taboo for hubbies/fathers to be present at the birth of their children in all the hospitals I've ever enquired at here. Cost, with 2 days accommo n meals, about P3,500.

 

So congrats again mate but I think some of your monies paid is the same as throwing it down the gurgler.

Seeya, Phil

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Ricky

Afraid as I said WombatPhil, for this kind of delivery in a different hospital, it may have been cheaper. But its like the difference between a 3 star and 5 star hotel, I really couldn't allow my missus to have the baby anywhere but the best due to the high risk, should she have had a postpartum heamorrage again, and then a considerable amount of AB+ blood and proper treatment I would have regretted going elsewhere. For a normal birth, I would agree, try elsewhere.

We had no problems being invited in for the delivery, no questions and all went very smoothly.

 

In the end, the cost isn't an issue because we can reclaim most of the costs through my company health insurance plan, but I thought i'd share with everyone our costs to make them aware realistically.

 

I respect that even Chong Hua is a poor quality hospital in the grand old scheme of things, and we were debating heading overseas or to Manila, but with the limitations on flying prior to giving birth, that would have been complex

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Wombat No More

Mate, I hear ya. Wasn't really aware of possible and past birthing probs for you and ur wife. I basically did the same thing, just in case, for our first born by taking my 7.5 month pregnant wife to Australia. Apart from the hospital cost of around P72k, there was the airfare for both of us at about another 100k. Nothing is too much when it comes to the pregnant wife and childs welfare. But after the first and knowing my wife did it easy the first time and for her first baby, it wasn't needed to spend a bucketload of cash in future and that observation proved correct both times. Besides, we were at a proper hospital the second time at a bargain basement price and within a kilometre the third. Unfortunately, costs were becoming a factor for our family and as a disabled pensioner, I don't have the opportunity for a real health plan. Being beside my wife during birth is an important factor and being banned for the 2nd birth made me feel like a real reject, like I had no place at all in being there and I seemed to be looked upon by staff as like a troublesome pimple on their butt or something as I kept knocking on the locked door to ask what was happening.

 

And because I wasn't allowed in, the following occurred; The nurse committed a big furfy and told me after a couple of hours outside, that doctor had checked her and found that she probably would not give birth for maybe another 8 hours. So I went away and came back in 6 hours to find that she gave birth 20 minutes after I had left and was asking for me. The nurse had told me earlier about another patient and not my wife. I resolved to never bring my wife to a place ever again where I, as her husband, was not permitted entry. I'm thinking that they must be so incompetant that they don't want a witness in case of a mistake? What other possible reason could there be except for some other stupid thing to do with religion or misplaced beliefs or some such idiocy.

 

Sorry for the long answers, it's like a disease, I gotta keep talkin...goodnight.gif

Afraid as I said WombatPhil, for this kind of delivery in a different hospital, it may have been cheaper. But its like the difference between a 3 star and 5 star hotel, I really couldn't allow my missus to have the baby anywhere but the best due to the high risk, should she have had a postpartum heamorrage again, and then a considerable amount of AB+ blood and proper treatment I would have regretted going elsewhere. For a normal birth, I would agree, try elsewhere.

We had no problems being invited in for the delivery, no questions and all went very smoothly.

 

In the end, the cost isn't an issue because we can reclaim most of the costs through my company health insurance plan, but I thought i'd share with everyone our costs to make them aware realistically.

 

I respect that even Chong Hua is a poor quality hospital in the grand old scheme of things, and we were debating heading overseas or to Manila, but with the limitations on flying prior to giving birth, that would have been complex

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Ricky

oh gosh man, what a situation. I do recall that that Marvie had to get a form signed for me to be able to be present for the labour and was a bit miffed about all of that. I can't understand why exactly it's not accepted practice to be present in this country. I was sent off to sleep in Marvie's Room whilst she was admitted to the labour ward, and then called back to get into scrubs for the actual delivery.

I do agree, that Chong Hua is overpriced for a normal delivery, and wouldn't recommend it on that basis. But if you've got complications, would say Chong Hua do at least have the specialists and the latest equipment to deal with it, as well as having one of the biggest stockpiles of blood held by a hospital.

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billten

This may be just speculation, but i think i understand why the bastards... sorry doctors, work so hard to keep you away from the wife during delivery. CONTROL, with you gone, they can control the situation and press your very distracted wife into anything they want, and also, when they screw the pooch, who is watching? No problem, right???

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Ricky

Thats probably right Bilten. Before Marvie was admitted, we discussed all sides of the procedure with the OB/GYN and I was very clear that nothing different to that discussed would happen unless we both agreed. They did call me about the Epidural, but apparently normally they wouldn't do that and would just do as they wished. It could have turned out differently, but Marvie was very insistant that she didn't want a C-Section or anything similar.

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Miles

My wife and I read this topic while we were still on OZ, shortly after that we decided to come to the phils for 3 months and have the baby here. She went to all the appts by herself, Obst etc and was charged the normal rate. Just last week she went for a 4D scan near Fuente I waited down the street while she paid the 'normal' fee etc and then went in a short time later. You should have seen the look on the staff faces when I walked in and sat down with her, it was like 'you sneaky little f%$'s'. Classic.

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Easyrider

The doctors and hospital here are crooks just like in the USA. Why should they charge someone P150,00 to P300,000 for something that is a natural process. My Filipino mother-in-law had 7 babies, which were all very health. The first cost P1,500. and the other 6 cost between P700 to P800 each. I wonder how much a hospital would charge me to take a shit in there? All of the greedy lying bastards should be tied together and sunk to the bottom of the sea.

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Easyrider

This may be just speculation, but i think i understand why the bastards... sorry doctors, work so hard to keep you away from the wife during delivery. CONTROL, with you gone, they can control the situation and press your very distracted wife into anything they want, and also, when they screw the pooch, who is watching? No problem, right???

 

billten,

You are exactly right. The sorry lying bastards do not deserve to live on the earth with the rest of us.

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TheOrigDanger95

My wife and I just had our first baby girl here in Dipolog On Sept 27th. I paid a little under 80K for a c-section with one of the best doctors in town. She has delivered most of the foreigner babies I know of here and was well recommended.

 

My biggest shock was the 8K tacked on by the pedia for tests. But my bill pales in comparison to some of the posts I have just read...

 

John in Dipolog

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My suggestion to any guy settling down with a woman here in the Philippines is to get her signed up with PhilHealth before the cap comes off! It will save you a ton of money if a baby happens along! And all for less than 2k pesos per year!

 

John in Dipolog

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dablindfrog

BTW, i forgot to mention, all the pre-natal care is FREE. That's right FREE, you pay for the drugs only.

 

not sure why there is no option to reply to your OP, but i wanted to say a big thank-you that was just the right info i was looking for, we will go to that place after the holidays to check it out.

 

thanks a ton again for the very valuable info!!:(

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My wife and I read this topic while we were still on OZ, shortly after that we decided to come to the phils for 3 months and have the baby here. She went to all the appts by herself, Obst etc and was charged the normal rate. Just last week she went for a 4D scan near Fuente I waited down the street while she paid the 'normal' fee etc and then went in a short time later. You should have seen the look on the staff faces when I walked in and sat down with her, it was like 'you sneaky little f% s'. Classic.

 

First of all, Congrats Bill to you and your expanding family. I'm really happy for you guys.

 

What Miles wrote should be be expanded upon. The medical facilities in the Phils will charge you the Long Nose Tax. If possible, have your wife do all the initial appointments/tests by herself.

 

At the OSPA in Ormoc, my wife's sister got Salmonella while in Camotes. We took her to OSPA, admitted her to a private room and for the next 5 days a multitude of doctors would go to consult her at all hours of the day but only when I wasn't there. Batteries of tests were ordered, but only when I wasn't there. Medications where prescribed that had nothing to do with curing Salmonella but only when I wasn't there. When I was there, no doctor could be found and the nurses couldn't explain anything to me about the treatment. Finally after Day 5 and seeing that baby sis was fully recovered, I tried to extract her from this Hotel California. They wouldn't let her leave!!!! Told me I'd need to get at least 2 doctors to sign her release forms only no doctors would be present until that evening. WTF???? So I waited, and waited some more. Waited until 10 PM and still no doctors arrived. Funny how 5 or 6 would always appear the times I wasn't around. Finally I told them enough was enough and I was taking her out of the hospital. It was obvious she had completely recovered. If anyone tried to stop me I said I'd have my lawyer and the police here within 5 minutes. Frantic calls by the nursing staff miraculously found a doctor just down the hall. He informed me that there was no way he could let the now fully cured patient leave. In fact, he recommended she stay at least another week for more tests and observation. Told him it was going to happen. They made me sign a waiver saying the hospital bore no responsibilities if the patient died. Finally she was allowed to leave the hospital 2 days later than a Filipino with no foreign sponsor would have been kept. Final damage: 45K.

 

Round 2...this time I stayed in the background and OSPA didn't know I was involved. The wife's grandpa (83 and declining rapidly) had a stroke. Wife and other family (NOT ME) took him to OSPA. He stayed in a private room for 5 days, had some tests run, medications for his blood pressure and sugar levels, saw the doctors and was treated "normally" - I.E. not over-treated to pad the bill. They recommended he be discharged after the 5th day when his BP and BS levels where in the normal range again. Final damage: 14K.

 

Big difference when they know whitey is paying the bills. 5 days at OSPA with whitey paying was 45K. Same 5 days at local rate = 14K. And I'd say a stroke for someone elderly is more dangerous and expensive to treat than a teen with salmonella which is simply treated by antibiotics and bed rest.

 

Oh..and just like Miles, when I came in to wheel grandpa home the staff at OSPA looked mad like I'd just took a shit in their cornflakes. They seriously were not happy. Probably because I'd just saved about 40K or more by staying in the background and got one over on them. It's sad that we're forced to do these things just to get normal proper care and not be overcharged.

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