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I've flown an A10 many many times. Old reliable.

I didn't realize you were a hog driver, Rob. Good on ya...

 

I hope the Air Force reconsiders its plan to replace them with the F-35. It just won't work. The A-10 is built for close-in work, can get hit and still survive to fly another day. It takes a lick'n and keeps on tick'n. The F-35 (with only one engine and NO armour) just can't do that.

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Horse hockey!!! Depleted uranium bullets have to get into your body to harm you. Of course, if they do, you are dead very quickly and you won't be having babies. Blaming deformed babies (in a country

First there was this gun... It was developed by General Electric, the "We bring good things to life" people. It's one of the modern-day Gatling guns. It shoots very big bullets. It shoots them very

If and When the US and Europe gets attacked next, I really hope the "Whinny Liberal Socialist Pacifist" that get hit first. I personally hate hearing their bantering snippy little comments from coward

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If and When the US and Europe gets attacked next, I really hope the "Whinny Liberal Socialist Pacifist" that get hit first. I personally hate hearing their bantering snippy little comments from cowardice individuals proudly voicing their negative bias feelings; having been given this right, through the sacrifices of heroes. :evan_iliadis:

 

Did you know that some of those "Whinny Liberal Socialist Pacifist" bastards had fathers, grandfathers, uncles and cousins who served, sometimes died, so that their relatives and friends had the freedom to think and say whatever they liked within the laws of their country? Or did you think you did it all by your lonesome?

 

evan_iliadis.gif Its ok now. We have both had our say, which you and others have fought to give us the right to do. Thanks for that and . . . Be well.

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If and When the US and Europe gets attacked next, I really hope the "Whiny Liberal Socialist Pacifists" get hit first. I personally hate hearing their bantering snippy little comments from cowardly individuals proudly voicing their negative biased feelings; having been given this right, through the sacrifices of heroes. :evan_iliadis:

 

Did you know that some of those "Whiny Liberal Socialist Pacifist" bastards had fathers, grandfathers, uncles and cousins who served, sometimes died, so that their relatives and friends had the freedom to think and say whatever they liked within the laws of their country? Or did you think you did it all by your lonesome?

 

evan_iliadis.gif Its ok now. We have both had our say, which you and others have fought to give us the right to do. Thanks for that and . . . Be well.

Freedom isn't something that one generation fights for and the rest get a free ride. If those who benefit from freedom aren't willing to fight for it, they don't deserve to keep it. And sooner or later...if enough people forget that freedom is worth fighting for...someone will come along to take it away.

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Guess half a million deformed babies in Iraq, and their parents, might disagree with you on that one.

 

There are less than 1,000,000 births a year in the whole of Iraq over 9 years less than 9,000,000 birth. 500,000 deformed babies means more than 5% of all births in Iraq would be deformed over a 9 year period. And you think it is only because of DU rounds? I even say a video that claimed 18 out of every 100 babies claim, but I can not find any supporting evidence showing such high figures. Could you please enlighten us with you sources to such a claim?

 

Of course Saddam Hussein decade long war with Iran where he repeatedly used Gas; the Gassing of the Kurdish tribes in the North; the Burnning of all his oil wells leading up to the war; His Biological/ Chemical War program could not possibly have anything to do with these figures.

 

 

Potential medical and genetic consequences - Kurdish attacks 1988

In surveys by local doctors, a higher percentage of medical disorders, miscarriages (14X higher), and colon cancer (10X higher) was found in Halabja compared to Chamchamal. Additionally, "Other cancers, respiratory ailments, skin and eye problems, fertility and reproductive disorders are measurably higher in Halabja and other areas caught in chemical attacks, Fouad Baban and other doctors say." Some of those who survived the attack or were apparently injured only lightly at the time, later developed medical problems doctors believe stemmed from the chemicals, and there are concerns that the attack may be having a lasting genetic impact on the Kurdish population, as preliminary surveys show increased rates of birth defects.

 

The Iran–Iraq War September 1980 to August 1988, the tactics used closely mirrored those of World War 1, including large scale trench warfare, manned machine-gun posts, bayonet charges, use of barbed wire across trenches, human wave attacks across no-mans land, and extensive use of chemical weapons such as mustard gas against Iranian troops and civilians as well as Iraqi Kurds. At the time, the UN Security Council issued statements that "chemical weapons had been used in the war." However, in these UN statements Iraq was not mentioned by name, so it has been said that "the international community remained silent as Iraq used weapons of mass destruction against Iranian as well as Iraqi Kurds."

 

The know-how and material for developing chemical weapons were obtained by Saddam's regime from foreign firms. The largest suppliers of precursors for chemical weapons production were in Singapore (4,515 tons), the Netherlands (4,261 tons), Egypt (2,400 tons), India (2,343 tons), and West Germany (1,027 tons). One Indian company, Exomet Plastics (now part of EPC Industrie Ltd.) sent 2,292 tons of precursor chemicals to Iraq. The Kim Al-Khaleej firm, located in Singapore and affiliated to United Arab Emirates, supplied more than 4,500 tons of VX, sarin, and mustard gas precursors and production equipment to Iraq. Leaked portions of Iraq's "Full, Final and Complete" disclosure of the sources for its weapons programs shows that thiodiglycol, a substance needed to manufacture mustard gas, was among the chemical precursors provided to Iraq from US companies such as Alcolac International and Phillips.

 

So there is a lot of blame to spread around. The world sold it to him and he was more than glad to use it, often, and in great quantities. How many Iraqis were exposed in the transportation, mixing, storing, and implementing these chemicals in a country the size of California.

 

Yes I am sure it is only caused by DU bullets. If I kept brain in my shirt pocket.

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There are less than 1,000,000 births a year in the whole of Iraq...over 9 years less than 9,000,000 births. 500,000 deformed babies means more than 18% of all births in Iraq would be deformed over a 9 year period. And you think it is only because of DU rounds? 18 out of every 100 babies you claim, but I can not find any supporting evidence showing such high figures. Could you please enlighten us with you sources to such a claim?

Your point is valid, no matter what the percentage is, but a half million is only 5.5% of nine million. It is still many, many times higher than any birth abnormality rates ever reported any place in the world...including Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which by the way, were found (1945-1948) to have no significant differences in birth abnormality occurrence from any other city in the world at the time. I hate fabricated statistics like the one Citizen Smith threw out. People throw them around to prove their point and expect that nobody will question their validity. Sorry...it ain't so.

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There are less than 1,000,000 births a year in the whole of Iraq...over 9 years less than 9,000,000 births. 500,000 deformed babies means more than 18% of all births in Iraq would be deformed over a 9 year period. And you think it is only because of DU rounds? 18 out of every 100 babies you claim, but I can not find any supporting evidence showing such high figures. Could you please enlighten us with you sources to such a claim?

Your point is valid, no matter what the percentage is, but a half million is only 5.5% of nine million. It is still many, many times higher than any birth abnormality rates ever reported any place in the world...including Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which by the way, were found (1945-1948) to have no significant differences in birth abnormality occurrence from any other city in the world at the time. I hate fabricated statistics like the one Citizen Smith threw out. People throw them around to prove their point and expect that nobody will question their validity. Sorry...it ain't so.

 

Thank you for the correction, I did not proof read and catch that and another mistake I had not properly finished. This happens we I rush a post before having to leave and go to town. I have made the appropriate corrections to my previous posts. Thanks again.

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Oh...you guys meant the real one.

 

I thought you were talking about the remote control kind? DOh!

I have a mini-ducted fan A10 I fly around. Does that still count?

 

 

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Guess half a million deformed babies in Iraq, and their parents, might disagree with you on that one.

Horse hockey!!! Depleted uranium bullets have to get into your body to harm you. Of course, if they do, you are dead very quickly and you won't be having babies. Blaming deformed babies (in a country where good sense and medical care...of any kind...are extremely rare commodoties) on depleted uranium is pretty far-fetched. There have been no abnormalities noted among the families of Air Force personnel that work around this ammo all the time. Why would I believe that it has affected the Iraqis differently? When we put our guys up in the air and send them off to fight our enemies, I want them to have the very best, most effective weapons and ammunition available. This weapon and ammunition is exactly that. It is designed to kill the enemy, and it does a VERY good job of it. Anyone who would send our people to combat with less than the best is doing a great disservice to our warriors, and in my mind, is NOT worthy of listening to. I want OUR guys to come home after combat. I would just as soon the ENEMY doesn't go home afterwards.

 

PLEASE O.P.E.N. Y.O.U.R. M.I.N.D........................ put off your TV and start reading

 

Do you wonder why americans have the rep you do ? Its your media, it lies to you.

 

Please wake up............... the idea that I need to give you a reference or a link to half a million deformed kids is ridic.

 

You INQUISITIVENESS should take you there.

 

Real men, dont worship big toys. Real men, believe in moral principles. The rest is up to you. So, you going to inquire or not ?

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broden

Oh...you guys meant the real one.

 

I thought you were talking about the remote control kind? DOh!

I have a mini-ducted fan A10 I fly around. Does that still count?

 

 

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only if you tape a gun to it

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Actually, the DU is the WASTE product from making fuel rods. U-234 and U-235 are used for fuel. DU is U-238. It is way too stable to use as fuel. For fuel, you want a material ...

 

Newer reactors can use DU if it's been treated in a reactor, I believe they use it as the basis for producing Plutonium, which modern reactor designs can use for fuel. This is why newer reactor designs only produce a minuscule amount of waste; a lot of it can be re-refined, reprocessed and then re-used. Actually.

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Real men, dont worship big toys. Real men, believe in moral principles. The rest is up to you. So, you going to inquire or not ?

 

 

Well I didn't sleep through science courses, for a start. The "D" in DU means ... it's not significantly radioactive. A lot of metals are TOXIC. DU isn't really anything special, except that it's really dense and it can be processed into a very energetic fuel source.

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depleted uranium ?

 

Cuts through armor like a hot knife through butter. Just don't use them at home they scatter uranium dust everywhere.

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depleted uranium ?

I googled it for you...

 

http://en.wikipedia....epleted_uranium

 

Because it has more mass than lead, depleted uranium will go through materials that lead can't penetrate. I worked on the Utah Test and Training Range and the "Warthogs" (A-10's), as they were affectionately called by their drivers, would come in to practice strafing. Whereas other jets, such as F-16's would hit their strafing target about 5% of the time, A-10's would not only hit the targets every time, but would consistantly leave a pile of rubble in their wake. If the Air Force ever gets rid of this weapon platform, it will be a huge mistake. No other aircraft on Earth can do what the A-10 does as well as it does it. Rather than phasing them out, we should be building more. This is a design that is as good today as it was when it was created. Go Warthogs!!

 

 

Guess half a million deformed babies in Iraq, and their parents, might disagree with you on that one.

 

 

So? They will think twice before they do it again.

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If and When the US and Europe gets attacked next, I really hope the "Whinny Liberal Socialist Pacifist" that get hit first. I personally hate hearing their bantering snippy little comments from cowardice individuals proudly voicing their negative bias feelings; having been given this right, through the sacrifices of heroes. :evan_iliadis:

 

Did you know that some of those "Whinny Liberal Socialist Pacifist" bastards had fathers, grandfathers, uncles and cousins who served, sometimes died, so that their relatives and friends had the freedom to think and say whatever they liked within the laws of their country? Or did you think you did it all by your lonesome?

 

evan_iliadis.gif Its ok now. We have both had our say, which you and others have fought to give us the right to do. Thanks for that and . . . Be well.

 

 

So they aren't just selling out their countrys they are selling out their families too. Good job. :oldtimer:

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Oh...you guys meant the real one.

 

I thought you were talking about the remote control kind? DOh!

I have a mini-ducted fan A10 I fly around. Does that still count?

 

 

fairchildrepublica10thusm6.jpg

 

 

Does it shoot tiny DU rounds? :oldtimer:

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