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spooks

But James, isn't it a similar situation here in mactan, as far as public access is concerned? In Bantayan you can swim from any beach, but not here. The beaches are supposed to allow public access, but most resorts here have privatized them, especially the best locations.

 

Also, many structures right at water's edge; Shangri La for example...

 

 

Yes the Shangri La and many other places on Mactan have a DENR approved Foreshore Lease.

 

The DENR who are responsible for the Bantayan Demolition are clearly enforcing the non approved lease action with their demolition squad

 

The DOT approved coastal areas already have DENR foreshore lease approval. Bantayan as a whole is not a DOT approved island, hence DENR application for Foreshore Lease is required.

 

Too many people treat the country as lawless and hope the law will never be enforced, they got it wrong with the DENR :notallthere:

 

This is a very simple process, just needs to be complied with or the DENR will quite rightly send the boys around!! :shitstormretarded:

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If I thought, for even a minute, that the government actions would help preserve shoreline for future generations of filipinos, I would suggest the gov't do what they have to do and compensate the inj

Hi...I agree you, speking for my self only, our place is and has never been blocked for any in matter of access......only seems like they starts with few small once like us who actually has followed t

Someone raised my attention to this thread, thats why the late reply.   You know what? feck them all at these authorities ... I can say it without looking at the resorts and whatever they did. Why t

Jess Bartone
DENR foreshore lease approval

Can this lease be applied for anywhere or only in certain areas? I need to know this stuff.

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Flemming

The law is the law and is made to protect us therefore we shall follow it

 

 

What do we then do once you have followed all present laws and demands to do and secure your actions correctly? For then to be told that even though you did what you should, you are now judged as a violator AND YOU WAS NOT EVEN GIVEN THE RIGHT TO BE HEARD IN COURT!

 

 

I am Flemming, own together with Eden, Saint Bernard Beach Resort. Thanks to the kind back up I can read here. Thanks also to the negative and sceptical they made the forum and might just not be aware of the facts in this sad story.

 

 

The sad in what the public can read in the news is:

 

We are described/judged as violator. Of illegal construction. Fact is, the law after wich they judge us was started implement in 1995, the same year as (for us) St.Bernard was start constructed. (we bought it in 2000) the law was not start implemented or even known in the Island until year 2002. That was the year DENR came to us and implement us to secure an ECC (environmental compliant certificate) and follow the demands for having it. We did get all certificates that were lucking etc etc. And was among the first to avail the the ECC. By that time DENR assured us that once you have that certificate we are there to help and protect you in any invironmental problem you might have

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DENR foreshore lease approval

Can this lease be applied for anywhere or only in certain areas? I need to know this stuff.

 

 

 

 

i read that one of the politicians here in mandue i think has over 100 hectors of fore shore leases like the lottery they get them very cheap and wait for someone to want them and then they sub lease..

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So what if your place is 20mtr from the water and then there is some errosion? I think if I owned one of these to be demo'd resorts I would have some sand trucked in to move the water out 20 mtr.

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The law is the law and is made to protect us therefore we shall follow it

 

 

What do we then do once you have followed all present laws and demands to do and secure your actions correctly? For then to be told that even though you did what you should, you are now judged as a violator AND YOU WAS NOT EVEN GIVEN THE RIGHT TO BE HEARD IN COURT!

 

 

I am Flemming, own together with Eden, Saint Bernard Beach Resort. Thanks to the kind back up I can read here. Thanks also to the negative and sceptical they made the forum and might just not be aware of the facts in this sad story.

 

 

The sad in what the public can read in the news is:

 

We are described/judged as violator. Of illegal construction. Fact is, the law after wich they judge us was started implement in 1995, the same year as (for us) St.Bernard was start constructed. (we bought it in 2000) the law was not start implemented or even known in the Island until year 2002. That was the year DENR came to us and implement us to secure an ECC (environmental compliant certificate) and follow the demands for having it. We did get all certificates that were lucking etc etc. And was among the first to avail the the ECC. By that time DENR assured us that once you have that certificate we are there to help and protect you in any invironmental problem you might have

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Thank you Flemming for this post to quiet the people who spoke out of turn. What you say tells me exactly what I suspected. You followed all the instructions you were given and were still denied justice. Where exactly is the shoreline when the law was passed? Nobody knows, but I am sure the permits will be granted to the "friends" of the lawmakers when they try to take over.

 

Don't give up, challenge this in a higher court, get a lawyer who will take up your cause.

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Flemming

So what if your place is 20mtr from the water and then there is some errosion? I think if I owned one of these to be demo'd resorts I would have some sand trucked in to move the water out 20 mtr.

Year it could be nice if possible, though this is direct to open sea and the seashore is 24/7 on the move. You should pay the Island a visit and enjoy, it is a pearl.

Fact is, now Marlins wall is down, if the remaining will be demolished and nothing will be done, the local fisherman better start to pack his banca and search for other place to live, big part of the island will be gone very fast and the one the environmentalists say they wanted to protect lost everything.

 

The existing walls has done some protection the past years but if not more costal protection is done very fast, a lot of Sta.Fe will be gone, I really do hope that by that time the once who said they protected, will stand up and remember they wanted to help the local

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If you copy and paste these co-ordinates: 10 15'50"N 123 59'14.44"E into Google Earth it will zoom into an area of permanent structures in the water. So if these areas are considered as "coastal tourism zones", and are somehow exempt, how is it that Bantayan, which is also a high tourism zone, is being targeted for the demolitions? What it sounds like to me is that whilst the law is applied equally to everyone, if you're a billionaire, the method of application changes.

 

I agree with James, coastal areas should be preserved, but in light of the last few posts, I tend to believe the theory that billionaire developers have their eye on Bantayan as the next Boracay. I would be willing to bet that after the dust has settled in a few years, a new crop of beachside structures will emerge on Bantayan.

 

 

Bantayan Island has some sort of special protected status, almost but not quite like a national park or something.

 

But James, isn't it a similar situation here in mactan, as far as public access is concerned? In Bantayan you can swim from any beach, but not here. The beaches are supposed to allow public access, but most resorts here have privatized them, especially the best locations.

 

Also, many structures right at water's edge; Shangri La for example...

 

That is a shame. Beaches should have free access, and a free access policy should be imposed within a reasonable distance from the waterline. Above that zoned area then beach access restrictions can be imposed by land owners. This allows them to maintain their property, equipment, and security of their customers and patrons. I own a small beach lot and would never impose restriction as to access to the beach line. My lot goes to the waters edge but my fence is well off the water's edge. People should be allowed full access to the water's edge and associated beach line.

 

From what I read, that's what they're destroying: beach cabanas, bars, cabins, etc. Permanent structures that have been built on the part of the beach that's supposed to be a public easement that's meant to allow people to walk along the beaches. I think on Bantayan the easement is 20 meters wide, as it is in rural areas. It's less in metro areas: I think 3 meters in cities, and 10 meters in some other type of zoning: industrial or something.

 

It's not very clever of the government people to destroy the seawalls though. Those are to prevent erosion and let the sand naturally accumulate. Without them there won't be any more beaches within a few years. I wonder if structures that extend out into the sea past the low tide mark are even covered by the easement regulations? But IANAL, so...

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spooks

In matter of Bantayan, are we violator? We were there ahead of the implementing of the law and even followed the set requirements.

 

 

 

I know that writing here probably is to kick my own ash, though I feel there is people who is doing wrong, they might be proud of have another environmental victory and be able to set a star in their carrier list so they maybe one day can get a monument or a framed picture in their headquarter.

 

 

Flemming your post makes it clear you are not considered as a violator and I hope that your position will be respected.

 

The problems with Fore shore leases is one of the reason why i am holding off from doing anything.

 

All the best with your plans

 

 

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DENR foreshore lease approval

Can this lease be applied for anywhere or only in certain areas? I need to know this stuff.

 

 

You can apply at the local DENR, they may tell you staright that the area you are interested in may not be allowable etc

 

The problems start when they agree it. having to get surveys done on what may be a moveable piece of fore shore etc and EEC on any plans you have for the land etc that is where it gets complicated. Approach your local DENR office, preferably through a local!!

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DENR foreshore lease approval

Can this lease be applied for anywhere or only in certain areas? I need to know this stuff.

 

OK . . first you open The magic box and then you enter "foreshore lease" and "Philippines". Press the magic button and you can learn all about it. :shitstormretarded:

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The foreshore lease is for use, not construction. I can't find the law that governs it but I believe it stretches back to the early 80's.

 

I believe our dear Governor has some hand in this , as she used to administer Bantayan, and seems to have some beef with the present administration.

 

Removing sea walls, is often an erosion disaster. When the peer was removed from Pasitas in Moalboal, about 80% of the sand was lost within the year.

 

The DENR has no concept of longshore drift, and their agenda seems to be to remove anything they are not getting revenue from, regardless of the consequences. I don't believe they even have a qualified littoral specialist.

 

The 20 meter environmental protection zone is a province wide mandate.

 

Total enforcement of this law would mean the removal of the SRP.

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Flemming

Thank you Flemming for this post to quiet the people who spoke out of turn. What you say tells me exactly what I suspected. You followed all the instructions you were given and were still denied justice. Where exactly is the shoreline when the law was passed? Nobody knows, but I am sure the permits will be granted to the "friends" of the lawmakers when they try to take over.

 

Don't give up, challenge this in a higher court, get a lawyer who will take up your cause.

 

 

Thanks all you guys, for those of you who never been Bantayan and Saint Bernard I just stumbled over a video from 2009. on you tube,We didnt make it...how wide shall the beachfront be when it is not measured after extrem bad weather try look this video

for info, I can tell that the hight in sand level every year change fron a 1,5meter high wall to a 20centimeter high wall, every year the sand go away and return allmost same amount, all depen the HABAGAT (MONZONE)...

Shall that PARADISE be destroyed and for what reason ?

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I have lots of sympathy for those who complied with all the laws as written at the time they built structures on the beach. Perhaps in some cases they should be "grandfathered" in, as someone else mentioned. However, I think the greater good is to preserve beach use and access for everyone, not just those lucky enough to have beachfront property.

 

In Hawaii there were studies done that found that seawalls did more harm than good in preserving sand. Apparently erosion and renewal of the sand is an ongoing process that built up the sand beaches in the first place. Seawall disturb those currents and result in less sand than otherwise would be the case. I can understand how an individual property owner would want to preserve his own piece of paradise, but at what cost to others?

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