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Paul, How will that affect me. I will be spending 6 months there every year and hopefully getting a BB visa. Will I have to pay this fee every 6 months ?

Hi Scott,

 

I don't know - will ask next time I'm there.

 

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lazydays

For those that want to read the official Bureau of Immigration informational pages on the ACR cards, the pages are listed below. Since the cards are update-able, I would assume you keep the card for up to its 5 year validity and just reapply for it to be updated. It doesn't seem logical that you would have to get a new card each time, but who knows.

http://immigration.g...d=107&Itemid=61

http://immigration.g...d=113&Itemid=61

http://immigration.g...d=114&Itemid=61

http://immigration.g...d=115&Itemid=61

http://immigration.g...d=111&Itemid=53

 

Roger,i think you are getting a little mixed up here,this new ruling only applies to tourists who are extending every 59days,they will now be required to get the new tourist ACRI card,which is valid for 1yr max,or until they leave the country,whichever is sooner.

This doesn't effect those on a BB 1yr visa.

 

The 5yr foreign resident ACRI card you refer to,is for those on resident visa's 13a etc,this is not changing.

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As far as I know and experienced just recently at the BoI, if you hold a BB stamp in your visa you do not need the ACR card during that first 1 year period. If after the one year point you keep staying in the Philippines, you'll need to get 59 day visitor visas again and at that point you'll have to pay for the ACR.

 

BB stamp is looking a lot better with these recent changes. Who wouldnt want a small trip with their wife to Hong Kong, Singapore or Thailand once a year? Its still a bit more expensive to go on a trip like that with your wife than it is to renew a visa for a year, but you cannot escape needing to leave the country soon or later and so you may as well do it once a year to keep going on the BB stamp.

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For those that want to read the official Bureau of Immigration informational pages on the ACR cards, the pages are listed below. Since the cards are update-able, I would assume you keep the card for up to its 5 year validity and just reapply for it to be updated. It doesn't seem logical that you would have to get a new card each time, but who knows.

http://immigration.g...d=107&Itemid=61

http://immigration.g...d=113&Itemid=61

http://immigration.g...d=114&Itemid=61

http://immigration.g...d=115&Itemid=61

http://immigration.g...d=111&Itemid=53

 

Roger,i think you are getting a little mixed up here,this new ruling only applies to tourists who are extending every 59days,they will now be required to get the new tourist ACRI card,which is valid for 1yr max,or until they leave the country,whichever is sooner.

This doesn't effect those on a BB 1yr visa.

 

The 5yr foreign resident ACRI card you refer to,is for those on resident visa's 13a etc,this is not changing.

 

Not according to the BoI site. The ACR card is the ACR card it is the same for all who get it. It is just that there are no longer going to be any paper ACR cards. If you look at the included links it talks about 9a visas. It is just that the maximum is five years before a new card is required. The same card needs to be renewed every year for a 13a visa and replaced after five years.

 

Also there is no Balikbayan visa. It is just a stamp in your passport that allows you to enter the country without a visa. If you figure in the cost of leaving the country every year, then the 13a visa is going to be more cost effective in the long run if you intend to live in the Philippines. There also is no guarantee that they will give you the BB stamp.

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lazydays

You left out one important word from that quote -- it will give the people a SENSE of security. as far as actual, i can not see how it makes any difference. All the info is already on file at BoI. i really don't like that if you leave the country and come back you have to pay the stupid fee again.

 

 

I believe the reference to "sense of security" means,that if you are asked by the police or the authorities to produce ID you will only have to produce this new ACRI card,instead of your Passport or copy of,which is what you would have done in the past.

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For those that want to read the official Bureau of Immigration informational pages on the ACR cards, the pages are listed below. Since the cards are update-able, I would assume you keep the card for up to its 5 year validity and just reapply for it to be updated. It doesn't seem logical that you would have to get a new card each time, but who knows.

http://immigration.g...d=107&Itemid=61

http://immigration.g...d=113&Itemid=61

http://immigration.g...d=114&Itemid=61

http://immigration.g...d=115&Itemid=61

http://immigration.g...d=111&Itemid=53

 

Roger,i think you are getting a little mixed up here,this new ruling only applies to tourists who are extending every 59days,they will now be required to get the new tourist ACRI card,which is valid for 1yr max,or until they leave the country,whichever is sooner.

This doesn't effect those on a BB 1yr visa.

 

The 5yr foreign resident ACRI card you refer to,is for those on resident visa's 13a etc,this is not changing.

 

Not according to the BoI site. The ACR card is the ACR card it is the same for all who get it. It is just that there are no longer going to be any paper ACR cards. If you look at the included links it talks about 9a visas. It is just that the maximum is five years before a new card is required. The same card needs to be renewed every year for a 13a visa and replaced after five years.

 

 

The BOI site is always out of date,as usual,and only refers to the resident ACRI card that replaced the paper one about 1yr ago.

The new Tourist ACRI card being talked about here,is not even mentioned on the BOI site yet,typical of the Philippines as usual.

Yes the resident ACRI card is valid for 5yrs,and yes you have to report to BOI once a year (between Jan and Feb) the card is not renewed,it is for you to report your annual change or not of address,that annual report costs about P200,takes 5 mins,and has been mentioned on other threads.

I'm sure Paul (ancienrocka) will clarify this.

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lazydays

I'm coming for three months that makes it around $A170 to renew I am seriously thinking of going to another country for a few days or week if the fare is cheap enough instead of renewing and come back for 21 days.

 

ACR I believe is the acronym for Alien Certificate of Registration.

 

I don't know how you could possibly save enough (if any) to justify all of the trouble to leave and come back in. scratch_head.gif

 

Exactly,

It would be very difficult to find a return flight out for a few days for less than the extra cost of P2800 including departure airport tax.

Not to mention the hassle.

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lazydays

I am amazed at the outcry,about the extra P2800 for Tourist ACRI card,yes its a little extra cost,but there is nothing you can do about it,(fact of life) its peanuts if you are a long term tourist.If you are a short stay tourist,then just stay less than 59days,if you wish to avoid the costs.

 

Frankly,if you are a long term tourists,and P2800 is going to severely dent your budget,you should not be here.

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The BOI site is always out of date,as usual,and only refers to the resident ACRI card that replaced the paper one about 1yr ago.

The new Tourist ACRI card being talked about here,is not even mentioned on the BOI site yet,typical of the Philippines as usual.

Yes the resident ACRI card is valid for 5yrs,and yes you have to report to BOI once a year (between Jan and Feb) the card is not renewed,it is for you to report your annual change or not of address,that annual report costs about P200,takes 5 mins,and has been mentioned on other threads.

I'm sure Paul (ancienrocka) will clarify this.

I can't vouch for the validity of their web site, but the fifth URL that I included says that the card is valid for 1 year and would need to be renewed every year at the same time as your 13a visa.

http://immigration.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=111&Itemid=53

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Frankly,if you are a long term tourists,and P2800 is going to severely dent your budget,you should not be here.

If you are frugal with your money, having more and more people taking money from you over time feels bad. I'd prefer to take my wife out for dinner with that 2800 than to spend it on a acr card I cant really use for anything. You may have unlimited money such that you wont loose anything from giving out an extra 2800+ a year to the BoI, but myself and other expats dont. That means that something I was going to use the 2800 for, I cant. It could have been a dinner out, or a day at the beach or some new clothes for someone in the family. Now, we have to not have one of those things so that the government can take that money from us.

Thankfully, I have the BB stamp in my passport (my first one) and for now I dont need to worry about it. Its true the BB stamp isnt guaranteed, but they are supposed to give it to you if you are traveling with your wife and can prove you are married. We brought our marriage certificate with us, a photo from our wedding, and a printout from the BoI letter stating that we should be getting it to show we deserved it, but none of that was needed. We were humble, polite and asked about the BB stamp. The immigration officer didnt bat an eyelash about giving it to us and acted like "of course you'll get the BB stamp". I cant imagine the circumstances where they would say no even after we showed all of proof items.

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Frankly,if you are a long term tourists,and P2800 is going to severely dent your budget,you should not be here.

If you are frugal with your money, having more and more people taking money from you over time feels bad. I'd prefer to take my wife out for dinner with that 2800 than to spend it on a acr card I cant really use for anything. You may have unlimited money such that you wont loose anything from giving out an extra 2800+ a year to the BoI, but myself and other expats dont. That means that something I was going to use the 2800 for, I cant. It could have been a dinner out, or a day at the beach or some new clothes for someone in the family. Now, we have to not have one of those things so that the government can take that money from us.

Thankfully, I have the BB stamp in my passport (my first one) and for now I dont need to worry about it. Its true the BB stamp isnt guaranteed, but they are supposed to give it to you if you are traveling with your wife and can prove you are married. We brought our marriage certificate with us, a photo from our wedding, and a printout from the BoI letter stating that we should be getting it to show we deserved it, but none of that was needed. We were humble, polite and asked about the BB stamp. The immigration officer didnt bat an eyelash about giving it to us and acted like "of course you'll get the BB stamp". I cant imagine the circumstances where they would say no even after we showed all of proof items.

 

 

I understand your point,but we have to remember that we would also face increased costs of certain things in our home countries,that are impossible to avoid.As an example,the UK gov't is talking of increasing VAT from 17.5% to 20%).Yes,i would prefer P2800 in my pocket,rather than have to spend it on burocracy.

The point i was trying to make,was that for a long stay tourist,lets say,staying 24 weeks,the extra ammount equates to P117 a week,which is about the cost of 3 san miguels in a resto bar.

 

BB stamp is definately the way to go,and you can apply for your 13a during the year,if you intend to reside here long term.

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If you didn't have to get a new one every time you leave the country and come back, it wouldn't be such a big deal. It's not like we're going to go down and protest -- that doesn't mean we have to be thrilled about spending more money for no additional benefit to us.

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Come on, The ongoy is getting tired dudes! gallery_919_70_16518.jpg

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The BOI site is always out of date,as usual,and only refers to the resident ACRI card that replaced the paper one about 1yr ago.

The new Tourist ACRI card being talked about here,is not even mentioned on the BOI site yet,typical of the Philippines as usual.

Yes the resident ACRI card is valid for 5yrs,and yes you have to report to BOI once a year (between Jan and Feb) the card is not renewed,it is for you to report your annual change or not of address,that annual report costs about P200,takes 5 mins,and has been mentioned on other threads.

I'm sure Paul (ancienrocka) will clarify this.

I can't vouch for the validity of their web site, but the fifth URL that I included says that the card is valid for 1 year and would need to be renewed every year at the same time as your 13a visa.

http://immigration.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=111&Itemid=53

 

The link you provided is talking about all the cases when an ACR needs to be renewed.

 

Option A, which refers to the 1 year validity, is referring to converting from probationary to permanent 13(a). If you are a probationary 13(a) your visa and ACR card are only valid for 1 year. You must apply for conversion to permanent status. If granted, you must renew your ACR card. Once you are a permanent 13(a), the ACR card is valid for 5 years and the visa does not expire.

 

Option B at the link is referring to re-registration at the end of the 5 year validity of the ACR card for permanent 13(a) visa holders.

 

Option C is if you already have an ACR card but change visa type, for example from an employment visa to 13(a).

 

Option D is for a lost/stolen/destroyed card.

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Yes the resident ACRI card is valid for 5yrs,and yes you have to report to BOI once a year (between Jan and Feb) the card is not renewed,it is for you to report your annual change or not of address,that annual report costs about P200,takes 5 mins,and has been mentioned on other threads.

I'm sure Paul (ancienrocka) will clarify this.

Annual report fee for those with "permanent resident" status is 310p

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