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I don't know if this is a good idea but I will give it a try. I want to retire early so I am looking to make income money in the stock market so I can do this.

The question is how. If I could master a skill that could do this it would be something that is portable, that is I can take it anywhere in the world.

I think I have found a way to do this. This guy on you tube, Options Safari with Dan Sheridan talks about strategies to make money on the stock market. So I have been working on doing just this, an options trading business. But it will take some time for me to get good at it. This just might be way to complicated for most people, After learning more about this I can see few people will invest the time and effort necessary to actually be successful at this.

My hope is to be able to make at least 100% a year on my investments, This is not unusual for people to make this kind of money doing this.

O yea this is not day trading, unless you count gamma scalping.

Well I will see if this sparks any interest.

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You probably have better odds at the casino. The stock market is a big gamble unless you are someone in control like George Soros. You might want to put your cash into something tangible like commodities or rural land. Good luck.

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I don't know if this is a good idea but I will give it a try. I want to retire early so I am looking to make income money in the stock market so I can do this.

The question is how. If I could master a skill that could do this it would be something that is portable, that is I can take it anywhere in the world.

I think I have found a way to do this. This guy on you tube, Options Safari with Dan Sheridan talks about strategies to make money on the stock market. So I have been working on doing just this, an options trading business. But it will take some time for me to get good at it. This just might be way to complicated for most people, After learning more about this I can see few people will invest the time and effort necessary to actually be successful at this.

My hope is to be able to make at least 100% a year on my investments, This is not unusual for people to make this kind of money doing this.

O yea this is not day trading, unless you count gamma scalping.

Well I will see if this sparks any interest.

 

 

 

 

 

 

you could try pinoy money talk but i for one dont have stock nor do i want any stock ,,, property is the way to go

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I for one dont have stock nor do i want any stock ,,, property is the way to go

I mean no disrespect to your point of view but it is not always true. I once believed in that advice (buying property in Canada but it can happen anywhere) and I have the bankruptcy discharge to show it does not always work.

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well against my better judgement i will say there is property for sale above vista grande across from alta vista its tax dec. but the price was so sweet i bought some well i bought almost one hector in 4 different lots.. true it will take maybe 3 to 4 years to get title but at less then 500 a sq meter it was to good to pass up... 4 ME...

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I don't know if this is a good idea but I will give it a try. I want to retire early so I am looking to make income money in the stock market so I can do this.

The question is how. If I could master a skill that could do this it would be something that is portable, that is I can take it anywhere in the world.

I think I have found a way to do this. This guy on you tube, Options Safari with Dan Sheridan talks about strategies to make money on the stock market. So I have been working on doing just this, an options trading business. But it will take some time for me to get good at it. This just might be way to complicated for most people, After learning more about this I can see few people will invest the time and effort necessary to actually be successful at this.

My hope is to be able to make at least 100% a year on my investments, This is not unusual for people to make this kind of money doing this.

O yea this is not day trading, unless you count gamma scalping.

Well I will see if this sparks any interest.

 

This is something I have wanted to do for many years and have not taken up the mantel, if indeed I ever will. I worked for the merchant arm of ANZ Bank in Oz for many years and while not a trader I was astonished to see how the game works, thats really a business you need to be very careful with and indeed lucky. I think back to the days my father raced horses in Ireland and England and was astonished to learn of the practice of deciding on where a horse would be placed in given race at the parade ring, factors such as what other races were coming, the size of the prize and the weight that would be added if the horse one on a given day. Needless to say I am not a gambler. I also worked for one Irelands largest invesment houses on an online gaming project which was to targeted to the super rich of the world and when I learned of the statistics of the win to loss ratio I was astonished. As some of you already to no I am planning on moving to cebu and again revisited this idea and sought out the advice of my brother - law who is a treasury director with one of the main uk banks. His comment to me was simple..."Are you stupid? in this day and age we don't even know whats going on" I guess now is not the time for a newbie to start speculating.

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I don't know if this is a good idea but I will give it a try. I want to retire early so I am looking to make income money in the stock market so I can do this.

The question is how. If I could master a skill that could do this it would be something that is portable, that is I can take it anywhere in the world.

I think I have found a way to do this. This guy on you tube, Options Safari with Dan Sheridan talks about strategies to make money on the stock market. So I have been working on doing just this, an options trading business. But it will take some time for me to get good at it. This just might be way to complicated for most people, After learning more about this I can see few people will invest the time and effort necessary to actually be successful at this.

My hope is to be able to make at least 100% a year on my investments, This is not unusual for people to make this kind of money doing this.

O yea this is not day trading, unless you count gamma scalping.

Well I will see if this sparks any interest.

 

 

No doubt some people do make a lot of money on traded options but like so many other investment vehicles it is full of risks. As for me I stick to the long-standing advice given by many "advisors" and pundits - a diversified portfolio of assets. When I do buy shares, which is not that often, I go direct stocks, pick carefully and don't get greedy and I stick to the market that I feel I know best which happens to be Hong Kong. In mid-March I really thought the market was a screaming buy so I ventured in. I sold out completely at the beginning of May with an 18% net profit and returned a tidy sum. I could have made more if I had held on for a few more weeks but who knows what will happen in the current environment. If I could get that sort of return once a year or even once every couple of years - not that I expect to - I would indeed be a happy man.

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You might want to put your cash into something tangible like commodities

 

That worked great until a couple of months ago, and it still could be a very good strategy for the long term even if you buy at today's prices. I am keeping all the commodities I previously bought but am gun-shy at buying more right now. I keep thinking of how Warren Buffet bought ConocoPhillips when oil was at its peak near $150/barrel. That one cost him billions. Commodities are just so hard to predict. When oil was about $37/barrel in mid-march, it was an easy decision; now it's not so transparent.

 

So now the most promising strategy at least for me seems to be in finding small and micro capitalization stocks that are as yet undiscovered or at least highly undervalued. A couple of days ago I bought some inexpensive micro caps in the dry bulk shipping industry, like Star Bulk Carriers (SBLK on NASDAQ). I try to look for stocks in a cyclical, depressed industry that have low debt, Low P/E ratios (or Price/Sales ratios if they have negative earnings), and low Price/Book ratios. If it has free cash flow too, that is a big plus.

 

As for calls and puts, except for defensive reasons I stay away from them because leverage brings with it equal amounts of risks along with the potential rewards. That seems more like speculating than investing, and there is a fine line between speculating and gambling. Having been a stockbroker in another life (with the then Dean Witter Reynolds), I got burned in the 1986 sell-off and again as an individual investor in the current meltdown, so I now leave leveraged investments to people who are smarter than me.

 

Sorry that I could not view the YouTube clip, but it is banned where I am. Hell, I'm just happy that that the censors reinstated Google two days ago.

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I think Property is a secure way of investing.. buying while its cheap is the main thing because if you can control the loans on it your covering most of the outlay.. Even better if you can buy outright. Although you need to look into the taxes involved with capital gains tax to see if its for you.

 

Stocks and shares I know there are a few people on here that have done ok out of it but not sure how many people are still doing so well after the way things currently are. Although some companies for example Carillion PLC are undervalued and likely to rise this year.. why?

Because last year it expanded buying up a lot of the smaller players, when i say smaller we are talking about huge companies but small in comparision to Carillion. This has led to a lower share price BUT it does have 5 years worth of contracts that are ongoing in the middle east that will ride out the recession.

 

I dont think shares are an easy option but if you can spend time researching there is money to be had.

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I know a guy who makes money on options. He enjoys discussing investments with his friends. One day he'd had enough that we suspected he was feeding us BS and he started emailing the details of the options he just bought (except for the number of contracts so we knew if he won or lost per contract but not his total profit or loss). He won a lot more than he lost.

 

But he didn't have a life. He spent most of his free time researching and learning. He had a cushy job that allowed him to do several hours of this each day at work but he still spend a lot of his free time doing it. He's also one of the smartest people I've ever met with a real head for numbers and is able to think outside the box.

 

Sure some generate great returns in options. Most end up with a net loss. Do you have the right stuff or do you just think you do? My friend traded options on paper (that is, he invested nothing, just tracked contracts he wanted to buy) for three years before buying his first contract.

 

Best forum I've found for all things early retirement: http://www.early-retirement.org/forums/

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It seems to me to be similar to gambling on horse racing. The smart professionals make a fortune while the mug gamblers provide the money for the pool.

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mattwilkie

A lot of people got burned with the current downturn,Recession or whatever else they want to call it. But your right the guys at the top win in every situation the system is built for it. But what I would say is like MrPlow42 its a job not an easy way to make money. Its not as much as a gamble as horse racing but then again i gamble on football and boxing. I have made some large winnings and small loses but over a year can make around

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Don't do option strategies. None of them work. They work well on paper but your fill is usually much worse than one would think. Remember, you pay the spread 4 times when you do option strategies, each strategy needs 2 sides, in and out.

 

If you want to do options, better do straight bets on call and put options (i.e. buy a call or put). Still not easy as the risk is very high and many of your bets will expiry worthless, an option always has an intrinsic and a time value. The time value is really the problem as you will experience.

 

I'd recommend Dec 2010 or 2011 or later crude oil call options.

 

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Don't do option strategies. None of them work.

 

 

They likely won't work all of the time anyway, as with any other guaranteed investing strategy.

 

I am reminded when as a fledgling and clueless broker after I came back from a month of product and sales training in New York and was extolling the virtues of a futures fund that the Dean Witter futures fund manager claimed was foolproof. My own manager was less impressed and said, "If he claims it can never lose money, he is lying."

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He is a turf accountant for a UK company. They have betting rules and if you win too much they ban you from the stores. He had 3 people on his books that betted regular and won regular my idea was to take theyre bets and copy them into online and other betting shop bets. But he refused.. point being if you can get the right information you can make money.

 

that must have been a few years ago, most pro's are online or at the course these days. betting in the shops are mostly for small time punters and those that mostly lose cos as you said.. when you start winning regularly they ban you !!!

 

At least on the exchanges when you bet a lot they take care of you and make life easier for you by giving you your own personal broker etc.

 

Anyway isn't your suggestion cheating/fraudulent/illegal... :):P

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