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RogerDuMond
2 hours ago, smokey said:

That great roger have you ever been in a public hospital here and phil health and discount will barley cover 8% if ur lucky at the private hospitals

I was in Perpetual Succor where Philhealth and senior discount amounted to 50% and an additional discount was another 15%.

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Nobody moves to the PI for the medical care. They go for the women. Period. End of story.

Arriving in an ambulance only to be parked outside while having a heart attack, after 8 hours they discover the patient is dead. GF ending up at chong hua because of a kidney infection, only for

Stay away from Dumaguete if you plan on staying alive. After so called care there by an urologist I arrived in the U.S. where I looked so bad even my best friend didn't recognize me when trying to pic

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12 hours ago, davehud said:

Nobody moves to the PI for the medical care. They go for the women. Period. End of story.

 

Please show us where somebody in this thread said you should move to the Philippines for the medical care. I've read every post, and I haven't seen one person make that claim.

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4 hours ago, RogerDuMond said:

I was in Perpetual Succor where Philhealth and senior discount amounted to 50% and an additional discount was another 15%.

Chong Hua, Cebu Doctor's and Perpetual Succour all provide quality medical care. 

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1 hour ago, Kabisay-an gid said:

 

Chong Hua, Cebu Doctor's and Perpetual Succour all provide quality medical care. 

Quality... compared to what standards? that of a jungle shaman?
 

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5 minutes ago, Dutch said:

Quality... compared to what standards? that of a jungle shaman?

 

Derogatory remarks aren't facts/evidence. Let me know when you have verifiable evidence to support your insults. I have your comments blocked until you come up with more than cheap shots that prove nothing.

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Arriving in an ambulance only to be parked outside while having a heart attack, after 8 hours they discover the patient is dead.

GF ending up at chong hua because of a kidney infection, only for the staff to insist its covid (because fever) and being transported to the covid ward. Then not receiving care for hours, not even being able to talk to staff... Would've ended badly if she wasn't transferred to a private clinic that actually took things serious. I

I am sure other members of this forum have many more examples.

On top of that, the hospitals are just plain dirty and outdated compared to hospitals you see in the west.

Cebu is a great place, but medical care is abysmal, claiming otherwise without any evidence is borderline dangerous, as people looking at moving here might actually have a serious medical condition that could prove fatal given the lack of care here, and they should be aware of that. 

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25 minutes ago, Dutch said:

Cebu is a great place, but medical care is abysmal

I suppose that someone that didn't know how to navigate the system or didn't have contacts in the medical field here might think that. It may be true to some extent, but there are some excellent doctors and surgeons here, you just have to know how to find them.

32 minutes ago, Dutch said:

On top of that, the hospitals are just plain dirty and outdated compared to hospitals you see in the west.

Perpetual Succor is relatively new, well maintained, and kept clean. Velez and Chong Hua are older, but I know some excellent doctors at all three who did their residencies in the US.

36 minutes ago, Dutch said:

Arriving in an ambulance only to be parked outside while having a heart attack, after 8 hours they discover the patient is dead.

That was a foreigner who fell through the cracks when Cebu was slammed with Covid and the two hospitals he was taken to had no beds. I would blame that one on the ambulance crew. Most of the ambulance crews here have little to no training. You might as well take a taxi.

 

42 minutes ago, Dutch said:

claiming otherwise without any evidence is borderline dangerous

27 years of on and off experience

44 minutes ago, Dutch said:

people looking at moving here might actually have a serious medical condition that could prove fatal given the lack of care here, and they should be aware of that.

Anyone moving here with a serious medical condition should do their due diligence and find the doctors that they need before they have a problem.

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And that my friends is known as the "Roger Effect"… :biggrin_01:

:lamoe:

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1 hour ago, Dutch said:

Arriving in an ambulance only to be parked outside while having a heart attack, after 8 hours they discover the patient is dead.

GF ending up at chong hua because of a kidney infection, only for the staff to insist its covid (because fever) and being transported to the covid ward. Then not receiving care for hours, not even being able to talk to staff... Would've ended badly if she wasn't transferred to a private clinic that actually took things serious. I

I am sure other members of this forum have many more examples.

On top of that, the hospitals are just plain dirty and outdated compared to hospitals you see in the west.

Cebu is a great place, but medical care is abysmal, claiming otherwise without any evidence is borderline dangerous, as people looking at moving here might actually have a serious medical condition that could prove fatal given the lack of care here, and they should be aware of that. 

 

A couple of your anecdotal horror stories proves nothing. Thousands of people die every year from medical errors in the USA, Canada, Europe and Australia. So judging by your standards, medical care in those countries must be abysmal. 

Nobody disputes that Philippine medical care is not on par with Western countries, but good medical care can be had in Metro Manila, Cebu City and Davao City.

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1 hour ago, Salty Dog said:

And that my friends is known as the "Roger Effect"… :biggrin_01:

:lamoe:

Does he work for the Dept. of Tourism there?

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Stay away from Dumaguete if you plan on staying alive. After so called care there by an urologist I arrived in the U.S. where I looked so bad even my best friend didn't recognize me when trying to pick me up at the airport.  The U.S. hospital he took me to said had I arrived just 3-5 hours later they would have just sent me to the morgue ! One nurse said she saw more kidney function on a cadaver than I had, it showed me at zero kidney function ! All that could have been easily prevented had he put me on a leg catheter for the 37 hour trip plus the time it took to get to the flight. I had six major things wrong upon arrival in the U.S. any one of which could have killed me and almost did. All caused because of no leg catheter There was only one thing wrong when I left Dumaguete. Never again, " I shall NOT return" ! That place is worse than a crap shoot. Over one year later now and I am still recovering and will likely always have some permanent damage.  I spent a month in VA hospitals just to recover enough to walk and write.  It's your life, do as you please. But that was my story, and I had been in the Dumaguete area for 10 years. I'd almost love to go back just to confront that A hole doctor O. of holy crap.

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6 hours ago, Kabisay-an gid said:

 

A couple of your anecdotal horror stories proves nothing.

A couple more ancedotal stories..Anyway Its good to see the rich and famous patronising the hospital,it cannot be too bad. On a side note they have lost their Accreditation again but i never realised they got it back after losing it a few years ago.

 

CEBU, Philippines —  Chong Hua Hospital is ready to engage in a dialogue with the Garcia family after Governor Gwendolyn Garcia and Cebu Third District Rep. Pablo John Garcia raised questions on the death of their brothers, Barili Mayor Marlon Garcia and former Dumanjug mayor Nelson Garcia.

Marlon and Nelson died at the hospital after getting admitted for COVID-19. They have reportedly already tested negative from the disease before their passing.

“With the consent of the family (of the Garcias), we are ready to dialogue with them, and provide any answers that may help them in their search for closure,” reads the statement the hospital released Friday, September 18.

The hospital said that while the governor and congressman did not mention Chong Hua’s name during their press conference on Thursday, news reports on earlier dates have mentioned Chong Hua as the hospital where the Garcia brothers were confined.

“In the past few days, the honorable governor Gweldolyn Garcia and congressman Pablo John Garcia publicly announced that they would seek experts’ opinion on whether or not the medical interventions conducted on their brothers were appropriate. Although the good governor and congressman did not publicly name our institution, previous media reports have already identified Chong Hua Hospital as the facility where their brothers were confined,” the statement reads.

CHH said it understands what the Garcia family is going through. Nelson and Marlon died barely a week away from the each other.

CHH said it provides only “the best possible care for its patients.”

“The judgements of the medical team are backed by their extensive training and experience as doctors and medical practitioners, and based on verified data. Their actions are consistent with globally-accepted and clinically-established procedures applicable to the patients’ diagnoses,” the statement reads.

In particular, the hospital said, the two physicians who attended to the Garcia brothers are reputable and outstanding doctors, and are specialists in their fields.

CHH said it is a sad reality that even the most determined efforts to save lives sometimes ends up futile.

“Having served our community for over 100 years, the countless doctors and medical staff who worked in our hospital have undoubtedly felt frustration, discouragements, or even pain because of this certainty. This, however, should be a reason to stop trying, or to lose faith in the science and practice of medicine itself,” the statement reads.

CHH assures it continues to provide the best care to patients.

“Ultimately, no act stands as noble as preserving or saving lives, and this must be firmly grounded on facts and research. We assure the entire community that all our patients - past, present and future-were, are and will always be provided with the best care under our supervision.”

Questions

In the Thursday press conference, siblings Gwendolyn and Pablo John asked what exactly happened to their brothers who fought for their lives while in the hospital.

They also disclosed that Marlon’s hospital bills totaled P5.2 million while Nelson's bills totaled P3.2 million, excluding doctor's fees.

Gwendolyn said she tried to give her brothers a set of medication but the doctors did not allow them to take the medicines. The medication, which she did not specify, was the one being given by the Provincial Health Office to Cebu constituents with COVID-19 symptoms.

Marlon also reportedly wanted to leave the hospital after testing negative for COVID-19 and was even willing to sign a waiver after he tested negative for COVID-19.

Pablo John said they are raising questions because they could not understand why their brothers’ health deteriorated after they have recovered from the disease.

“We are raising questions. We are not making conclusions...We are asking because our family did not prohibit any expense. We did everything necessary,” Pablo John told said.

He also disclosed that he had contracted the virus but survived.

“Yes, they both tested positive for COVID-19 as did I around the same period. But they had recovered from COVID-19. Their doctors themselves, in the death certificates, would show that they recovered,” he said.

CFI

Meanwhile, the Cebu CFI Community Cooperative has suspended the accreditation of Chong Hua Hospital and disqualified two doctors accredited by the cooperative to certify medical and hospital procedures under CFI’s health care program.

“The hospital practices, medical protocols, and procedures of Cebu Chong Hua Hospital and some of its doctors are presently under review and investigation,” reads CFI’s Facebook post.

The cooperative named the two doctors CFI disqualified but The Freeman is withholding the names pending their comment.

The announcement gained mixed reactions from netizens – others are supporting the coop while others are supporting the doctors using the hashtags #NoToDoctorShaming, #healingwithpassion and #caringwithcompassion on social media.

In a separate post on September 18, CFI maintained that the move was a “prerogative of the COOP and was done as a precautionary measure to alleged abusive practices, protocols and procedures” complained by the relatives of their deceased members.

“We deed it prudent and in the exercise of sound, discretion to suspend the hospital’s accreditation and disqualify certain doctors pending resolution of an investigation on these allegations by appropriate medical experts and authorities,” its post reads.

The coop said the “disturbing allegations” are from “verified events” such as patients allegedly losing their lives under the same circumstances at the hospital wherein doctors adopt a “highly expensive but controversial medical procedures” for pre-COVID and post-COVID patients.

CFI said the investigation it is conducting is an opportunity for the hospital and the doctors to explain their side on the complaints the coop received from its members.

“We would like to clarify we are not passing any judgement yet on the hospital and these doctors as to their malfeasance or misfeasance. We hope and pray they can acquit themselves in an investigation that will surely be called in the near future,” CFI said.

The cooperative said, however, that it will not prevent its members who would still choose to go to Chong Hua and to the doctors for treatment but their medical bills under the health program of the cooperative will be scrutinized and will have to be shown to “another reputable doctor for re-evaluation and confirmation.”

CFI was founded in 1970 by the Garcia matriarch, the late Esperanza Garcia. At present, it is chaired by Atty. Winston Garcia, another brother of Gwendolyn and Pablo John.- Le Phyllis F. Antojado, JMO

 

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When I lived in the Oz desert, apart from the flying doc service which was great, the nearest hospital was Alice Springs and similar to  Phils hospitals... same motto applies IMO 'When in pain catch a plane.   BTW one of the Alice's doctors was actually named Dr Death... didn't inspire much confidence! 

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The biggest problem I had with hospital care in the Philippines is that you often have to pay as you go. Sure I got most of it reimbursed, but I had to pay the entire $30,000+ all before I left the hospital. Took me several months to get it back from TRICARE. 

How many expats have an extra $35K setting around? I had the cash in the USA, but couldn't access it because I was paralyzed and couldn't talk well enough to be understood. So I used credit cards even though I couldn't even sign the credit card receipts. What if I had been unconscious? 

My sister and my ex flew to the Philippines with cash and more credit cards. They helped my GF (now wife) take care of me the entire time I was in the hospital and paid the bills. 

I was lucky that the hospital let me pay at the end of each week during the month I was there. 

After I was discharged I had to have physical therapy 5-6 days a week at P400 each session. That lasted until I could walk on my own. I paid for that out of pocket. 

https://www.livingincebuforums.com/topic/83954-it-could-happen-to-anyone-are-you-prepared

 

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11 hours ago, RogerDuMond said:

I suppose that someone that didn't know how to navigate the system or didn't have contacts in the medical field here might think that. It may be true to some extent, but there are some excellent doctors and surgeons here, you just have to know how to find them.

Perpetual Succor is relatively new, well maintained, and kept clean. Velez and Chong Hua are older, but I know some excellent doctors at all three who did their residencies in the US.

That was a foreigner who fell through the cracks when Cebu was slammed with Covid and the two hospitals he was taken to had no beds. I would blame that one on the ambulance crew. Most of the ambulance crews here have little to no training. You might as well take a taxi.

 

27 years of on and off experience

Anyone moving here with a serious medical condition should do their due diligence and find the doctors that they need before they have a problem.

https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/274579/9789290226734-eng.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
(page 230 for example, but there are many more stats)

Survival rates in PH hospitals are among the lowest, lower than countries like India, and less than half compared to countries like South Korea, Singapore and China.
And moving here with a serious medical condition... If you have heart problems, had a stroke/heart attack before, that would already be something to worry about.
Incase of a heart attack that motorcycle train led by the ambulance would be forwarded to a hospital in the main city, it could take hours before you even receive the care you need when there is an emergency (while you are say 15 miles away from the hospital), not because you slip through the cracks, but simply because care is not available.
Very few places are even equipped to do an emergency bypass.

Also blaming the problems on covid when the vast majority of beds were never allocated to covid?
What is going on when being swamped with patients that receive primary care/vitals monitored affecting things like surgeries?
Didn't know surgeons were on nurse duty...

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