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lamoe
3 minutes ago, to_dave007 said:

Surely you are joking..  You call putting 50% of humanity of lockdown "very easy".  Check with the millions of newly unemployed in the USA to see if they say it's "very easy"..  or the waiters and waitresses at the 10's of thousands of restaurants out of work..  or the small business people who may not survive this..   or the millions walking home in India with no safety net.   There is no F**king way this Is "very easy".  And all this just to slow it down so that those who DO get sick have a better chance of getting treated without overwhelming the health system.. 

And we still don't know what the COST of all this will be.  That hammer has yet to fully drop.

Not joking at all

Determining what to do to curtail (not stop) a virus is very very easy - even  implementation isn't that difficult on a personnel level depending on circumstances - social distancing, isolation, sanitation, disinfecting (soap and water), etc

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/health/soap-coronavirus-handwashing-germs.html

Washing with soap and water is an effective way to destroy and dislodge many microbes, including the new coronavirus.

 

You're talking about the consequences of that implementation which is not the same.

"And all this just to slow it down so that those who DO get sick have a better chance of getting treated without overwhelming the health system."

Yep, exactly, that's what it is intended to do until an even more effective prophylactic (vaccine) can be developed

India - Offer what help is realistic but I don't support other people's / nation's poor life choices to the detriment of my own. Discussed very thoroughly in other threads

 

 

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1 hour ago, fivestarph said:

* NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%.  Edit: there are a few alcohols more than 65%, and Vodka does come in 50%, but still not strong enough to kill the virus.
 

Brought some Minhas Stryker Vodka 190 Proof (95% pure) back with me last trip and used it - only I applied from the inside.

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JohnSurrey
On 4/5/2020 at 11:07 AM, Dafey said:

And you'd be arrested if you went out, right?

No, not where I am.

I thought it was a reasonable plan of Duterte's ... lock everything down hand out some food and money to everyone keep everyone inside slow down the rate of infection...

I think we've been "locked down" for nearly three weeks now - no one's got so much as a grain of rice or a can of sardines.

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We just got our 'care' package today. Of course we gave it to some needy neighbors.

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On 4/5/2020 at 3:21 PM, Headshot said:

While the case fatality rate (CFR) will never reach 80% (as the TV series postulates), and although the worldwide CFR right now is running at 20%, it will likely end up somewhere between 4% and 5% when all is said and done. That is still a huge number of people. Worldwide that would mean between 308 million and 385 million people dying from this virus. Of course, I am just projecting the trends as they stand now. Things could change that either raise or lower these numbers.

Without wishing to downplay the seriousness of this virus... don't you think between 308 million and 385 million is a little ott?

Assuming the true number of cases being reported by countries is vastly understated - perhaps 20 million cases in Europe alone at the moment compared to the 500,000 (serious enough to test?) or so that appear on the worldometer alongside reported deaths of 50,000...  even if you add on another 50,000 unreported/untested deaths... cfr of 4% and 5% ????

 

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One thing I noticed from this video was when the surgeon from New York said that 100% of the critical patients who go on ventilators (intubated) are dying.

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smokey

We have or my wife has her cousin she said she could not breath was hungry feaver etc they took her to hospital and induced a coma and her vitals are stable now her foreigner husband also sick but not as bad

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5 hours ago, smokey said:

We have or my wife has her cousin she said she could not breath was hungry feaver etc they took her to hospital and induced a coma and her vitals are stable now her foreigner husband also sick but not as bad

How old are they smokey?

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Technical Issues with Philippines Covid-19 Tracker

 

On Friday, April 3, Carlito Galvez Jr, chief implementer at the National Task Force, said in a press briefing that a total of around 16,000 individuals were tested for the virus.

This created confusion because last Thursday, April 2, there were only around 5,000 individuals tested for the virus as shown on the coronavirus tracker. Reporters asked for clarification on the figure, but the DOH didn’t respond.

On Sunday, April 5, DOH Undersecretary Maria Rosario Vergeire reported the number of individuals tested for the virus rose to 19,000, while the DOH tracker only showed that a total of around 6,000.

 

DOH is now saying around 23,000 have been tested in the whole country

I was looking to see how many people have been tested in Leyte as some of the "Mothers" online are hoping the children can go back to school for some kind of Graduation ceremony for the Kindergarten class... :sick:

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2 hours ago, JohnSurrey said:

I was looking to see how many people have been tested in Leyte as some of the "Mothers" online are hoping the children can go back to school for some kind of Graduation ceremony for the Kindergarten class... :sick:

Gee..  We can cancel church services and theatre performances and close the NBA and the Premier league..  but God forbid the Kindergarten students don't get a graduation.

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China forces Italy to buy same coronavirus supplies it had donated to Beijing a few weeks ago

China's efforts to rebrand itself as a global leader focused on humanitarian relief amid the coronavirus outbreak has hit a major snag and perhaps revealed Beijing's true intentions behind their public relations blitz.

After telling the world that it would donate masks, face guards and testing equipment to Italy, China quietly backtracked and sold the Mediterranean country desperately-needed medical equipment, according to a report.

What's worse is that the personal protective equipment (PPE) China forced Italy to buy was actually the same PPE Italy donated to China before coronavirus rushed its own shores and killed nearly 16,000 people.

Physicians on front lines describe dire need for protective gear, medical supplies

"Before the virus hit Europe, Italy sent tons of PPE to China to help China protect its own population. China then has sent Italian PPE back to Italy -- some of it, not even all of it ... and charged them for it," a senior administration official told The Spectator. 

Beijing taking advantage of Italy's generosity and then flipping it into something more sinister is just the latest example of the country's misdeeds amid the global outbreak.

Thousands of other supplies and testing kits China has sold to other countries at marked-up prices have turned out to be defective.

Spain had to return 50,000 quick-testing kits to China after discovering they weren't working properly. Last week, the Netherlands also rejected China-made coronavirus testing kits and protective gear, calling them substandard and questioning the quality of supplies Beijing is selling to the world.

Turkey, Georgia and the Czech Republic have also spoken out about kits it purchased from China as being less than adequate. In some cases, instead of fixing the issue, China has blamed user error.

The claims of faulty devices come as the number of confirmed coronavirus cases and deaths continue to surge around Europe and the United States, underscoring the dependence many countries have on Chinese imports.

"It's so disingenuous for Chinese officials now to say we are the ones who are helping the Italians or we are the ones who are helping the developing world when, in fact, they are the ones who infected all of us," the senior administration official said. "Of course they should be helping. They have a special responsibility to help because they are the ones who began the spread of the coronavirus and did not give the information required to the rest of the world to plan accordingly."

The official said China's decision to delay and suppress critical data has turned a bad situation worse.

Had China been truly transparent about COVID-19, there would be "no question" the world would have been in a better place to respond to the monster virus that has infected more than a million people and killed more than 70,000 worldwide.

"There's simply no question that China's lack of candor to the world impacted the way the world was able to respond," Pence said.

In fact, as China downplayed the outbreak within its borders, nearly half a million people traveled to the United States, possibly carrying the virus with them.

"The disinformation that China has put out is crippling responses around the world," the administration official said. "We were a month behind because the Chinese did not share information. It's hard for the world to accept that even the information that they're putting out now is accurate and acceptable from an epidemiological standpoint. We're operating on some level with a hand tied behind our back."

 

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@JohnSurrey, From your chart above there is only 1 confirmed case in western V and thats in Samar. I'd say so far we are pretty lucky

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to_dave007

I read this article earlier and I was thinking  "Nah..  couldn't be".  If it turns out to be true that some entrepreneurial shyte in China sold donated supplies back to the Netherlands..  then I would expect that even in China heads will roll. very VERY bad optics.

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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Comparison update from yesterday to now

1,342,372 total

74,558 deaths

278,182 recoveries

The coronavirus COVID-19 is affecting 209 countries and territories around the world and 2 international conveyances.

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Latest Updates

April 6 (GMT)

 UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson moved to Intensive Care Unit  [source]

235 new cases and 11 new deaths in Czechia [source]

27413 new cases and 1176 new deaths in the United States

An estimated additional 180 - 195 deaths per day occurring at home in New York City due to COVID-19 are not being counted in the official figures. "Early on in this crisis we were able to swab people who died at home, and thus got a coronavirus reading. But those days are long gone. We simply don't have the testing capacity for the large numbers dying at home. Now only those few who had a test confirmation *before* dying are marked as victims of coronavirus on their death certificate. This almost certainly means we are undercounting the total number of victims of this pandemic," said Mark Levine, Chair of New York City Council health committee [source]

A study by disease modelers at the University of Texas at Austin states that "Given the low testing rates throughout the country, we assume that 1 in 10 cases are tested and reported. If a county has detected only 1 case of COVID-19, there is a 51%
chance that there is already a growing outbreak underway" [source]
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3251 new cases and 226 new deaths in Germany [source]

1 new case in Dominica [source]

6 new cases in Venezuela [source]

7 new cases in Guinea [source]

4 new cases and 1 new death in Benin [source]

907 new cases and 78 new deaths in Brazil [source]

3 new cases in the Turks and Caicos Islands [source]

14 new cases in Togo [source]

17 new cases in the State of Palestine [source]

1154 new cases and 43 new deaths in Canada [source]

4 new cases and 1 new death in Barbados [source]

7 new cases in Guyana [source]

1 new case in Libya [source]

31 new cases in Djibouti [source]

19 new cases and 1 new death in Burkina Faso [source]

246 new cases and 16 new deaths in Austria [source] [source]

2 new cases and 2 new deaths in Bermuda. First two deaths in Bermuda [source]

5029 new cases and 700 new deaths in Spain [source]

2 new cases in Eritrea [source]

1 new case in Zimbabwe [source]

94 new cases and 11 new deaths in Colombia [source]

2 new cases in Martinique [source]

6 new cases in Nigeria [source]

69 new cases in Niger [source]

193 new cases and 25 new deaths in Romania. Deaths of 7 men and 4 women, aged 66 to 89 years old [source]

18 new cases and 4 new deaths in Afghanistan [source]

149 new cases and 7 new deaths in Egypt [source]

24 new cases and 3 new deaths in Andorra [source]

15 new cases and 5 new deaths in the Republic of North Macedonia [source]

10 new cases in Madagascar [source]

62 new cases in Côte d'Ivoire

557 new cases and 50 new deaths in Switzerland [source] [source]

31 new cases and 1 new death in South Africa [source]

609 new cases and 6 new deaths in Pakistan [source] [source]

13 new cases in Costa Rica [source]

203 new cases and 4 new deaths in Saudi Arabia [source]

22 new cases in Tunisia [source]

1 new case in French Polynesia [source]

78 new cases in Kazakhstan [source]

115 new cases in Uzbekistan [source]

474 new cases and 8 new deaths in Israel [source]

1 new case in Rwanda [source]

1 new case in Liberia [source]

2 new cases in Angola [source]

489 new cases and 18 new deaths in India [source] [source] [source]

7 new cases and 1 new death in El Salvador [source] [source]

32 new cases and 2 new deaths in Lithuania [source]

76 new cases and 5 new deaths in Norway [source]

4 new cases in Monaco [source]

280 new cases and 9 new deaths in Peru [source]

7 new cases in Aruba [source]

99 new cases and 10 new deaths in Morocco [source]

14 new cases and 1 new death in Channel Islands [source] [source]

56 new cases in Bahrain [source]

4 new cases and 1 new death in Jordan [source]

5171 new cases and 833 new deaths in France [source]

370 new cases and 16 new deaths in Ireland [source]

3148 new cases and 75 new deaths in Turkey [source]

 2 new cases and 1 new death in Belize. First death in the country: 55-year-old Hubert Pipersburgh, eulogized by the Prime Minister as a "well-known and renowned" Belizean. Some 49 close contacts and medical staff were tested and returned negative, said Prime Minister Barrow [source]

101 new cases and 11 new deaths in Ecuador [source]

3 new cases in Haiti [source]

7 new cases in the DR Congo [source]

228 new cases in Qatar [source]

103 new cases and 21 new deaths in Algeria [source]

19 new cases in Montenegro [source]

3599 new cases and 636 new deaths in Italy [source]

2 new cases in Curaçao [source]

6 new cases in Gibraltar [source]

5 new cases in Réunion [source]

12 new cases in Isle of Man [source]

39 new cases and 5 new deaths in Luxembourg [source]

311 new cases and 13 new deaths in Poland [source]

3802 new cases and 439 new deaths in the United Kingdom

66 new cases in Singapore [source] [source]

30 new cases and 1 new death in Cuba [source]

1 new case in Myanmar [source]

70 new cases and 3 new deaths in Iraq [source]

76 new cases and 2 new deaths in Iceland [source]

344 new cases and 3 new deaths in Chile [source]

20 new cases and 6 new deaths in Greece [source]

312 new cases and 8 new deaths in Denmark [source]

19 new cases in Cyprus [source]

49 new cases and 1 new death in Slovakia [source]

1 new case in Seychelles [source]

18 new cases and 2 new deaths in Bulgaria [source]

83 new cases and 4 new deaths in the Dominican Republic [source]

1 new case in Eswatini [source]

101 new cases and 4 new deaths in Moldova [source]

1 new case and 1 new death in Trinidad and Tobago [source]

17 new cases in Mauritius [source] [source]

2 new cases in Tanzania [source]

292 new cases and 7 new deaths in Serbia [source]

277 new cases and 1 new death in the United Arab Emirates [source]

1 new case in Malawi [source]

20 new cases and 6 new deaths in Bosnia and Herzegovina [source]

16 new cases and 2 new deaths in Kenya [source] [source]

40 new cases and 1 new death in Croatia [source] [source]

45 new cases and 4 new deaths in Australia [source] [source] [source] [source]

2 new deaths in Argentina [source]

2 new cases in Sri Lanka [source]

376 new cases and 76 new deaths in Sweden [source]

952 new cases and 101 new deaths in the Netherlands [source]

57 new cases in Azerbaijan [source]

1 new case in Papua New Guinea [source]

4 new cases in Vietnam [source]

452 new cases and 16 new deaths in Portugal [source] [source]

14 new cases in Malta [source] [source]

2 new cases in Mali [source]

24 new cases in China, Hong Kong SAR [source]

2274 new cases and 136 new deaths in Iran [source] [source]

14 new cases and 1 new death in Lebanon [source]

4 new cases in Senegal [source]

1 new case in Ethiopia [source]

131 new cases and 1 new death in Malaysia [source]

16 new cases and 1 new death in Albania [source]

109 new cases in Kuwait [source]

1123 new cases and 185 new deaths in Belgium [source]

24 new cases and 2 new deaths in Slovenia [source]

8 new cases in Cameroon [source]

218 new cases and 11 new deaths in Indonesia [source]

414 new cases and 11 new deaths in the Philippines [source]

138 new cases and 5 new deaths in Belarus [source]

1 new case in Laos [source]

954 new cases and 2 new deaths in Russia [source]

11 new cases and 4 new deaths in Estonia [source]

11 new cases and 1 new death in Armenia [source]

35 new cases and 3 new deaths in Bangladesh: Earlier, the Health Minister Zahid Maleque had reported 4 new deaths, but later corrected the number of new deaths to 3 [source] [source]

9 new cases in Latvia [source]

2 new cases in Faeroe Islands [source]

14 new cases in Georgia [source]

33 new cases in Oman [source]

249 new cases in Finland, corrected yesterday's data on 28 deaths as a government calculation error had occurred in the declaration of one special responsibility area.  [source]

10 new cases in Taiwan [source]

11 new cases and 1 new death in Ukraine [source]

3 new cases in Gabon [source]

11 new cases and 4 new deaths in Hungary [source] [source]

12 new cases and 2 new deaths in Sint Maarten [source]

51 new cases and 3 new deaths in Thailand. It is understood by Thai Enquirer that the government is now considering a total shut down of all provinces as well as a 24-hour curfew for a fortnight. In such a scenario, provincial governments will be responsible for supplying citizens with basic necessities [source]

69 new cases and 3 new deaths in Kyrgyzstan. “These are people who were on observation. We hospitalized them all, ” said the Minister of Health Sabirzhan Abdikarimov [source]

9 new cases and 2 new deaths in Paraguay [source] [source]

1 new case in Mongolia [source]

2 new cases in Fiji [source]

47 new cases and 3 new deaths in South Korea [source] [source]

253 new cases and 15 new deaths in Mexico [source]

67 new cases in New Zealand [source]

187 new cases and 8 new deaths in Panama [source]

30 new cases in Honduras [source]

26 new cases and 1 new death in Bolivia [source]

 

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