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to_dave007
32 minutes ago, Kahuna said:

You will now have to face what happens when all the infected people pass their waste thru the sewage systems where it will later be picked up by micro-organisms which then pass it to other plants and animals right on up thru the food chain back to us again.  Bound to be problematic wouldn't you think?  

Mmm..  well.. I'm sure you will remember well my opinion on the matter.

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Kahuna
21 minutes ago, to_dave007 said:

Mmm..  well.. I'm sure you will remember well my opinion on the matter.

No   better refresh it if you don't mind..

Seriously I don't recall your opinion.  maybe a link pointing the way if nothing else  :thumbs_up:

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1 hour ago, Kahuna said:

No   better refresh it if you don't mind..

Seriously I don't recall your opinion.  maybe a link pointing the way if nothing else  :thumbs_up:

 

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6 minutes ago, to_dave007 said:

 

In that case perhaps herd immunity will be working in our favor?   I'm just wondering how many others of the animal kingdom will carry or succumb to this now that it's been seen to hop from humans to tigers now?  Will that encourage mutations?  Are there any studies being conducted looking into this? 

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nothingbutquestions
10 hours ago, Kreole said:

nteresting.  Now we will see if doctors will be able to prescribe Ivermectin for human use.  Every 3 months, I give my 13 cats and 3 dogs invermectin which I buy at the agriculture supply store.  I make my own cat/dog food by cooking fresh fish into a soupy condition and then mix it with cooked rice.  Each mixture lasts about 3 day and then I repeat over the next 10 days using Ivermectin.  It seems to work.  So, at the very least, my animals will be protected.  

I have read it is available in tablets, injectible, or liquid. May I ask in what form you are able to purchase it? Also is it generic? What manufacturer's name is on the packaging? Thanks 

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46 minutes ago, to_dave007 said:

 

Stop it without precautions? Nope.

With simple ones (social distancing, isolation, sanitation, disinfecting, etc), curtail its spread and reduce its overall effects ? Very easy

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44 minutes ago, nothingbutquestions said:

I have read it is available in tablets, injectible, or liquid. May I ask in what form you are able to purchase it? Also is it generic? What manufacturer's name is on the packaging? Thanks 

The brand name is METROVET and it comes in a 3g red sachet.  There are different size sachet, but this is the one I use.

If anyone comes up with food safe dosage for humans, let me know.

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I just searched and found article below and this is not medical advice as I aint no Doctor..
But still..An interesting read IMO.



Oops! I Just Took My Dog's Heartworm Medicine
Ivermectin Safety.

 

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The Bottom Line

Ivermectin is a beneficial and safe antiparasitic drug used for a wide variety of parasitic diseases in humans and animals. Ivermectin is helping to eliminate onchocerciasis (river blindness), a malady that has plagued millions in the world's poorest communities.

The Full Story

Sometimes new drugs are found in unusual places. The antiparasitic drug ivermectin was discovered in the 1970s in bacteria isolated from the soil on a Japanese golf course. Ivermectin was called the first "endectocide" since it was active against both endoparasites (parasites that live inside the host) and ectoparasites (parasites that live on the outside of the host).

Ivermectin was initially developed as a veterinary antiparasitic drug. Of particular importance today is ivermectin's ability to prevent heartworm infections in dogs with monthly dosing (e.g., Heartgard). Ivermectin has also protected hundreds of millions of livestock from a variety of parasites.

Ivermectin lotion is approved by the FDA for the treatment of head lice. Unlike many other treatments for head lice, ivermectin lotion only needs to be applied once. When given orally, ivermectin can be used for treating head or pubic lice and scabies (an itchy, highly contagious skin disease caused by mites burrowing in the skin). Oral ivermectin is useful to control outbreaks of scabies in nursing homes where whole-body application of topical agents is difficult.

Ivermectin's greatest impact on human health has been in Africa. Since 1987, in addition to its use for other parasitic infestations, ivermectin has been used extensively to control onchocerciasis with 1.4 billion treatments so far. Onchocerciasis is also called "river blindness" because the blackfly that transmits the disease breeds in fast-moving streams and rivers. Once within the body, the adult female worm produces thousands of juvenile worms that migrate to the skin and eyes and can produce severe itching and eye injury that can lead to blindness.

Ivermectin kills the juvenile worms, but not the adult females. The effectiveness of the drug lasts up to 12 months, but mature female worms produce offspring for 15 years, so ivermectin has to be taken once a year for that long.

Over 300 million people take ivermectin each year. To date, ivermectin has been shown to be a safe and well-tolerated drug. Most adverse reactions are mild and temporary, such as loss of appetite, headache, muscle aches, lack of energy, and fever. There have been a small number of severe adverse events and even some deaths in humans treated with ivermectin in onchocerciasis-control programs. The reason for these events is unknown, but they might be linked to the presence of large numbers of other parasites that are killed off in treated patients.

If you suspect someone has swallowed ivermectin, do not make the person vomit. Immediately check the webPOISONCONTROL® online tool for help or call Poison Control at 1-800-222-1222.

When ivermectin gets in the eyes, minor irritation and redness can occur. Serious eye injury is not likely, but the eyes should be rinsed immediately. Remove contact lenses and use lots of room temperature water. For children, pour water onto the bridge of the nose and let it gently run into the eyes. Encourage blinking. After rinsing, call Poison Control or use the webPOISONCONTROL tool for help.

Mary Elizabeth May, RN, BA, MPH
Certified Specialist in Poison Information 

 

https://www.poison.org/articles/ivermectin-your-dogs-heartworm-medicine-173

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Dafey
3 hours ago, hyaku said:

If this is the case and dogs can also carry it we are in deep shit. people are quarantined but there are loose dogs all over the place.

Not my dog...

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No harm passing this on....


* The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.

* Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.

* The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam).

By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.

* HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 77 degrees Fahrenheit for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more useful.

* Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.

* Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it down from the inside.

* Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin.

* NO BACTERICIDE OR ANTIBIOTIC SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; antibiotics cannot kill what is not alive.

* NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth. While it is glued to a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only -between 3 hours (fabric and porous), -4 hours (copper and wood) -24 hours (cardboard), - 42 hours (metal) and -72 hours (plastic).

But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours, and can lodge in your nose.

* The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial as air conditioners in houses and cars.

They also need moisture to stay stable, and especially darkness. Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.

* UV LIGHT on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example, to disinfect and reuse a mask is perfect. Be careful, it also breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin.

* The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin.

* Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.

* NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%.  Edit: there are a few alcohols more than 65%, and Vodka does come in 50%, but still not strong enough to kill the virus.

* The more confined the space, the more concentration of the virus there can be. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less.

* You have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa, food, locks, knobs, switches, remote control, cell phone, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc. And when using the bathroom.

* You have to Moisturize dry hands from so much washing them, because the molecules can hide in the micro cracks. The thicker the moisturizer, the better.

* Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.

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40 minutes ago, fivestarph said:

* NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%.  Edit: there are a few alcohols more than 65%, and Vodka does come in 50%, but still not strong enough to kill the virus.

How about Tuba?

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2 hours ago, lamoe said:

Stop it without precautions? Nope.

With simple ones (social distancing, isolation, sanitation, disinfecting, etc), curtail its spread and reduce its overall effects ? Very easy

Surely you are joking..  You call putting 50% of humanity of lockdown "very easy".  Check with the millions of newly unemployed in the USA to see if they say it's "very easy"..  or the waiters and waitresses at the 10's of thousands of restaurants out of work..  or the small business people who may not survive this..   or the millions walking home in India with no safety net.   There is no F**king way this Is "very easy".  And all this just to slow it down so that those who DO get sick have a better chance of getting treated without overwhelming the health system.. 

And we still don't know what the COST of all this will be.  That hammer has yet to fully drop.

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21 minutes ago, Dafey said:

How about Tuba?

use it to run the car.

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