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One of the FAQs "Is it safe to handle packages from China?"

Typ answer is - yes since it takes 3 days to get to US (very slow plane) and virus can't last more than 2 days?




A package from China takes at least three days to arrive in California, The Denver Post, citing UPS and FedEx estimates, reported. Though scientists are still working to understand the novel virus, it is closely related to SARS, which can live on surfaces for about two days, according to a 2003 University of Minnesota study.



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Should you be in China right now, you'll see a lot of people wearing surgical masks to protect themselves against coronavirus. A Canadian scientist claims that such masks may actually do more harm than good, if handled improperly – so he's created a coating that could reportedly change that.

A biomedical engineer based out of the University of Alberta, Asst. Prof. Hyo-Jick Choi states that there are two main problems with using surgical masks for protection against coronavirus.

For one thing, they're only capable of capturing large airborne virus-laden water droplets. Respiratory viruses such as coronavirus, unfortunately, can also be spread via much smaller aerosol droplets, which are able to make their way through the masks' pores. Devices known as N95/N99 respirators are able to filter out aerosols, but they're not as breathable as masks, plus they're expensive and impractical for everyday use.

The other problem with masks lies in the fact that while they may trap some viruses, they don't kill them. As a result, when people remove and discard of used masks, the viruses could be transferred from those masks and onto their fingers or other commonly-touched surfaces.

With these problems in mind, Choi and colleagues designed a virus-killing coating that can be applied to conventional mask filtration material. He tells us that it's made up mainly of two salts – sodium chloride and potassium chloride.

When a droplet of any size comes into contact with the coating, the salts dissolve into it. As that droplet subsequently evaporates, the dissolved salts within it crystallize – the sharp edges of the crystals stab into any viruses that may be present, killing them.

"We’ve tested our system on three different influenza viruses and have shown that the virus on the surface of a coated contaminated mask is inactive within five minutes and completely destroyed within 30 minutes," says Choi. He believes that the technology should be equally effective against coronavirus.

The university is now looking for corporate partners to help commercialize the coating, with hopes of having a product on the market within 12 to 18 months. In the meantime, Choi recommends that users of conventional masks not touch the filtration material itself, always wash their hands before and after handling a mask, never store used masks in places such as pockets, and replace masks after each use.

The research is being funded by Mitacs, a not-for-profit organization that fosters growth and innovation in Canada. It's previously brought us things such as an augmented reality feedback system for the training of athletes, and a computer vision-based flight data recorder.



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This is one of Headshot's vids he posted but it deals with the incubation periods and how active the virus is before ,during and after symptoms by people who have already gone thru it but only suffered it "mildly" but those around them became infected.


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Pneumonia is one of the possible results of coronavirus, so it is true that people have been dying of pneumonia. Therefore, all pneumonia deaths should be counted as coronavirus deaths unless the virus has been ruled out by tests. Unfortunately, China likes to cover up anything negative, so that will never happen. Deaths will continue to be covered up as long as the CCP is in power.

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There's alot of info here and it takes time to sift thru it all and seriously, we don't have alot we can really call verified.

Lot's of rumors..:unsure:

It's a bio weapon either accidentally or purposely unleashed

Doctors are fudging the death count by misleading the cause of death

Just heard this one tonite:  In order to bypass the death count dead bodies are sent directly to crematoriums and burned so it paints a rosier picture on the death toll instead of what's really happening.

Hell Moe...it's China...what sort of honesty can we expect from those in charge there ?:scratch_head:

Come to that I don't know for sure how the USA would do if differently anymore.   I'm having trust issues there too ..  :P

Anyway, if anything new pops up and we can have a link or a vid that explains things I'd be happy with that I think..  :hi:

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the main site isn't updated yet but reports it is now in Russia,Spain,Italy and Sweden

http://archive.ph/w1M7z     [Sweden]

http://archive.ph/z9L9E      [Italy]

http://archive.ph/V92aT   [Russia]

http://archive.ph/b0GUE  [Spain]

I'l update the main list as soon as they do.

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Chinese doctors released chest X-rays of a 33-year-old coronavirus patient that show what the illness looks like in her lungs

A coronavirus outbreak that started in China has killed 213 people and infected nearly 9,900.

Researchers at a hospital in Lanzhou just released chest X-rays of a 33-year-old coronavirus patient.

The images provide new clues about the nature of the virus.

When a 33-year-old woman arrived at a hospital in Lanzhou, China, she'd had a fever and cough for five days. The patient, who is being kept anonymous, had a temperature of 102 degrees Fahrenheit. Her breathing was "coarse," doctors wrote, and she had a low white blood cell count — a sign of infection. 

Doctors diagnosed her with the new coronavirus that has spread throughout China. As of Friday evening, more than 9,900 cases have been recorded and 213 people have died.

In a study released in the journal Radiology on Friday, a group of researchers at The First Hospital of Lanzhou University presented two of the woman's chest X-rays side by side.

The scans show white patches in the lower corner of her lungs, which indicate what radiologists call "ground glass opacity."

"If you zoom in on the image, it kind of looks like faint glass that has been ground up," Paras Lakhani, a radiologist at Thomas Jefferson University who was not involved in the study but examined the images, told Business Insider. "What it represents is fluid in the lung spaces."


Junqiang Lei, Junfeng Li, Xun Li, and Xiaolong Qi

The X-rays provide researchers a few new clues about the nature of the virus.

The scans show the new coronavirus looks similar to SARS and MERS

Coronaviruses are a large group of viruses that typically affect the respiratory tract. They also cause pneumonia and the common cold. Symptoms of the new coronavirus include a fever, chills, headaches, difficulty breathing, and a sore throat. 

Until December, it had never been seen in humans.

The novel coronavirus was first identified among a small group of people exhibiting pneumonia-like symptoms in Wuhan, China, in December. The 33-year-old patient whose lungs are shown in the new x-rays works in Wuhan, but had traveled to Lanzhou a day before her symptoms started. 

"If you didn't know about this outbreak, you'd read the scan and you would just say, 'Okay, this patient has pneumonia,' because that's the most common thing we see," Lakhani said.

On its own, he added, ground glass isn't particularly helpful for identifying a coronavirus. 

"You can see it with all types of infections — bacterial, viral, or sometimes even non-infectious causes," Lakhani said. "Even vaping could sometimes appear this way."

But the researchers also noticed that the ground-glass patches extend to the edges of the patient's lungs. 

"That's something we don't often see," Lakhani said. "We saw that with severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) and we saw that with Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS)."

Both SARS and MERS are also coronaviruses. An outbreak of the former in China resulted in 8,000 cases and 774 deaths from November 2002 to July 2003.

Lakhani said scans of those viruses have "a lot of similar features" to the images from the 33-year-old patient. 

The scans show the virus getting worse after 3 days

The researchers also saw that the white patches on the woman's lungs were more pronounced in the second image, taken three days after the first — and further into her treatment. That helps rule out the possibility of pneumonia.

"Pneumonia usually doesn't rapidly progress," Lakhani said. "Typically, most hospitals will treat with antibiotics and patients will stabilize and then start to get better."

In the hospital, the 33-year-old woman in Lanzhou inhaled a protein used to treat viral infections, called interferon. Lakhani guessed that doctors probably also administered "supportive treatment," such as fluids, steroids, or a medication to open the woman's airways. But she continued to get worse.

That's significant, Lakhani said, since the same thing occurred in SARS patients.

The best way to diagnose the coronavirus isn't via X-rays, though — it's a laboratory test, which involves taking swabs of saliva or mucus from a patient's nose and mouth or testing phlegm they may cough up.

But the test isn't perfect, since it can only detect the virus when a person is showing symptoms.

"We've seen people who had a detectable virus, then they didn't have a detectable virus, and then three days later they had a detectable virus," Robert Redfield, CDC director said in a briefing on Friday. "We don't know the natural history of how this virus is secreted."


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A patient spreads the virus during her incubation period. A man recovering from the virus is still invective.


A thank you to Headshot for finding this fellow.:hi:[He didn't post this particular video so I did]  

My question here is that since they are finding people that have "recovered" still shedding the virus do they ever become cured?  Is there any study being done on the "recovered" to see if there is any long lasting after effects?    


Updated virus map

12036  total[up as usual]

259 deaths[same as before]

284 recovered.[3 less than before]   ???  Odd   did they relapse?

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The latest patient, who is in his 60s, had "close contact" and recently reported symptoms, health officials said

It is the second person in Illinois to be diagnosed and the sixth confirmed case in the U.S.

The man's wife first contracted the virus after she traveled to Wuhan, China - the epicenter of a recent outbreak. She returned to the U.S. on Jan. 13 and later started experiencing symptoms

The spouse of a Chicago woman who was diagnosed with coronavirus last week has now tested positive for the virus, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced Thursday.

The latest patient had "close contact" and recently started reporting symptoms. He was admitted to an area hospital "recently" and is in stable condition, said Dr. Ngozi O. Ezike, director of the Illinois Department of Public Health.



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