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Kahuna
19 minutes ago, Headshot said:

I understand. Likely nothing will ever give WHO or the governments that are withholding the real numbers credibility again. However, as time goes on, if they continue to minimize this outbreak, they stand to lose even more than credibility. South Korea seems to be doing the best job of extensive testing and reporting whatever they find, which gives them great credibility. Italy seems to be trying, but they don't seem to be capable of the task. Most of the other governments seem to just wish that this virus would just magically disappear.

I think it's gotten to the point where enough info is being pumped into from unofficial but reliable sources[like the several you post in this topic] where hiding info from the public by those in charge just makes them look foolish and hopefully will be forced to come to terms with the reality that it cannot be contained, it cannot be ignored and in their own interests to level with the public or later be discounted and discredited as being unworthy of the public trust they were given.  

I understand they don't want panic.   

I have a lot of questions I'd love for them to answer and be truthful or have reliable sources we can go check ourselves but I doubt it happens.  

We're stuck with what we are being told officially and whatever we are being told unofficially however much credit we give them is subject to whatever motivation those sources had for the info.[  Money,fame,viral vids of the day and that kind of notoriety as opposed to doing it to get the reality out there for all to see.]

  

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This is a follow up to a Post I made regarding my nephew and Partner and child that had covide. He has improved that no oxygen is needed now but it did fall to 90% at one point...The child was on

Yep, 39% effective against actually getting the Delta variant or showing symptoms. The same study also found the Pfizer vaccine is 88% effective in preventing hospitalisation and 91% effective in

You act like this is something new...  Talk about what's going on anywhere you like as long as you leave politics out of it. There are thousands of posts on the pandemic that have managed to

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It might be still too early, but this looks more like a "special" influenza. Most cases are very mild and go away. I think if yone has little fewer or coughing, running nose and below 65 just stay at home until it goes away, so it does not strain the health system for serious cases. Now, if you are over 65 or serious breathing problems that turns mostly out more serious ( of course there are exceptions confirming the rules). Once you recover you will not get the sickness again, your body knows how to fight it..

I do not know if it makes a big difference if governments test extensively (like South Korea) or test very little like the US, which are behind the curve). My opinion, it does not make any difference. Why test all the mild cases as long as people behave responsible and stay home once they have not too serious symptoms until they go away. Unless of course you are over 65, this seems to be the group which are mostly in danger and I would say the mortality rate is quite high. Ce la vie!

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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

The coronavirus COVID-19 is affecting 62 countries and territories around the world and 1 international conveyance (the Diamond Princess cruise ship harbored in Yokohama, Japan)].one up from 4 hours ago]

 

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Latest Updates

February 29 (GMT):

 

Europe | Middle East | South America | North America | Asia

EUROPE

4 new cases in Switzerland in the circle of the two children of an Italian family in Graubünden who tested positive last week.

4 new cases in the Netherlands:
- 2: the daughter and wife of the patient hospitalized in Tilburg who had recently visited Lombardy, Italy. [source]
- 2: the "partner and the youngest child of the patient who is in home isolation in Diemen" [source]

1 new case in Croatia

3 new cases in the U.K: 2 had recently traveled to Italy, 1 to Asia. [source]
-- 1 in Gloucestershire
- 1 in Berkshire
- 1 in Hertfordshire

16 new cases in France including: [source]
3 health workers at the Tenon Hospital in Paris who were contaminated by a patient who is in intensive care since Feb. 21. [source]
“All public gatherings of more than 5,000 people in a confined space are temporarily banned across France,” Health Minister Olivier Veran told journalists. The Paris half-marathon scheduled for Sunday, March 1 has been cancelled as a consequence.

1 new case in Georgia: a Georgian citizen who, having returned from Iran and showing high fever, was immediately taken to Tbilisi Infectious Hospital from the border checkpoint. [source]

MIDDLE EAST

5 new cases in Iraq

2 new cases in the UAE

3 new cases in Bahrain [source]

3 new cases in Lebanon [source]

SOUTH AMERICA

 1st case in Ecuador: an Ecuadorian citizen, resident of Spain, who entered Ecuador on Feb. 14 without showing any symptom. [source]

ASIA

2 new cases in Pakistan

4 new cases and 3 new discharges in Singapore [source]

 

 

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New England Journal of Medicine - suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968)

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387?query=RP#.XlrCUOTwlQk.twitter

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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

The coronavirus COVID-19 is affecting 64 countries and territories around the world and 1 international conveyance (the Diamond Princess cruise ship harbored in Yokohama, Japan).[up 2 from 4 hours ago]

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Europe | Middle East | South America | North America | Asia

NORTH AMERICA


United States
 

 1st death in the United States in Washington State. [source]

Travel advisory raised to level 4: Do not travel to specific regions in Italy and South Korea.

Travel from Iran banned.

Recent new cases in Washington State, Oregon and California suggest local, person-to-person spread of the virus in the United States.

EUROPE

 239 new cases and 8 new deaths in Italy. Among the 1,049 active cases, 401 (38%) are hospitalized, and 105 (10%) are in intensive care. Among the 79 closed cases, 50 (63%) have recovered, 29 (37%) have died. [source] [source]

 43 new cases in France bringing the total in the country to 100. New cases include: [source] [source]
3 health workers at the Tenon Hospital in Paris who were contaminated by a patient who is in intensive care since Feb. 21. [source]
“All public gatherings of more than 5,000 people in a confined space are temporarily banned across France,” Health Minister Olivier Veran told journalists. The Paris half-marathon scheduled for Sunday, March 1 has been cancelled as a consequence.

8 new cases in Norway, bringing the total to 15 in the country. Among the new cases, 4 are in Bergen and 3 are employees of the Ullevål University Hospital in Oslo. The authorities know the source of contagion for all 15 cases which are all linked to outbreaks abroad. [source]

10 new cases in Switzerland, of which:
4 in the circle of the two children of an Italian family in Graubünden who tested positive last week. [source]

4 new cases in the Netherlands:
- 2: the daughter and wife of the patient hospitalized in Tilburg who had recently visited Lombardy, Italy. [source]
- 2: the "partner and the youngest child of the patient who is in home isolation in Diemen" [source]

1 new case in Croatia

3 new cases in the U.K: 2 had recently traveled to Italy, 1 to Asia. [source]
-- 1 in Gloucestershire
- 1 in Berkshire
- 1 in Hertfordshire

1 new case in Georgia: a Georgian citizen who, having returned from Iran and showing high fever, was immediately taken to Tbilisi Infectious Hospital from the border checkpoint. [source]

1 new case in Sweden, bringing the total to 12 in the country: 5 in Västra Götaland, 3 in the Stockholm region, 2 in the Jönköping Region, 2 in the Uppsala Region.

1 new case in Norway: an employee at the eye department at Ullevål University Hospital in Oslo, as tests were conducted on 4 staff members with symptoms after that, on Feb. 28, Covid-19 infection was confirmed in a staff member who had traveled to Northern Italy, showed symptoms on Sunday but still went to work on Monday and Tuesday. [source]

1 new case in Denmark: an employee at the Aarhus University Hospital in northern Denmark. [source]

5 new cases in Germany.
- Feb. 20: Italy's outbreak begins.
- Feb. 26: “We are at the beginning of a coronavirus epidemic in Germany,” said German Health Minister Jens Spahn, adding that infection chains can no longer be tracked in Germany [source] . The German government saw no need to advise its citizens against travel to Italy [source]
- Feb. 28: German government announced that travelers arriving from South Korea, Japan, Italy and Iran must declare their health status upon arrival. Passengers from China were already required to do so.

2 new cases in Austria, (where 1,649 tests were done, with 9, or 0.5%, testing positive) [source]
- A couple from the Korneuburg district in Lower Austria. The woman is now hospitalized, the man is isolated at home.

17 new cases in Spain [source]
Current distribution and new cases today (+):

13 in the Valencia area (+5)
10 in Madrid (+5)
8 in Andalusia (+2)
6 in Catalonia (+3)
6 in the Canary Islands
2 in Castile and León
3 in the Basque Country (+1)
2 in the Balearic Islands (+1)
0 in Aragon (previous confirmation retracted [source] )

New cases include:
- a woman in Majorca
- a 52-year-old woman in Girona who had recently traveled to Italy
- man in Sant Cugat del Vallès (north of Barcelona) "who was in intimate contact with one of the previously confirmed cases" as reported by health authorities.

MIDDLE EAST

5 new cases in Iraq

2 new cases in the UAE

3 new cases in Bahrain [source]

3 new cases in Lebanon [source]

 1st case in Qatar [source]

 205 new cases and 9 deaths in Iran. 5 Iran parliament members have so far tested positive for the virus. Azerbaijan closes the border with Iran over coronavirus concerns. [source] [source]

 

 

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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

The coronavirus COVID-19 is affecting 65 countries and territories around the world and 1 international conveyance (the Diamond Princess cruise ship harbored in Yokohama, Japan).

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March 1 (GMT):

EUROPE

1 new case in Belgium [source]

4 new cases in Austria [source] [source]

38 new cases in Germany [source]

4 new cases in France (Alsace) [source]

2 new cases in Finland: an elderly person and a school-aged child, both related to a previous case who had travelled to northern Italy [source]

2 new cases in Norway [source]

UK: Coronavirus outbreak could force UK to shut down entire cities, health secretary admits. He also said a research paper suggesting half a million people in the UK could die in the event of a flu pandemic was a “reasonable worst-case scenario.”

American Airlines has announced it is suspending flights to and from Milan, Italy from both New York and Miami from March 1, 2020 until April 25, 2020, citing reduced demand. The announcement comes only hours after the U.S. State Department said it was raising its travel warning to Level 4: Do Not Travel for parts of Italy due to the coronavirus outbreak. [source]

AFRICA

1 new case in Algeria: an Italian citizen [source]
On Saturday, it was reported that another Italian national who tested positive for coronavirus on his arrival in Algeria had been transferred to his home country. [source]
This came after Algeria announced on Tuesday that the 61-year-old Italian man, who works in projects involving Milan-based energy firm Eni, had become its first confirmed case of the virus.

NORTH AMERICA

1 new case in the United States (illinois) [source]

OCEANIA

 1st death in Australia: a 78-year-old man in Perth who was among the 164 Australians flown out of Japan after being quarantined aboard the Diamond Princess cruise ship. His wife also tested positive to the virus and is currently in a stable condition in isolation at a Perth hospital.

Incoming travel from Iran to Australia is banned starting Sunday. Appropriate level of travel advisory to Italy is being considered. But "it's not possible to further isolate Australia," said Chief Medical Officer Brendan Murphy, adding that the focus should be on detection and containment instead. [source]

[ Mar. 1 News ↑ ]

MIDDLE EAST

 1st case in Armenia [source]

1 new case in Kuwait

 385 new cases and 11 new deaths in Iran [source]

[ Mar. 1 News ↑ ]

ASIA

4 new cases and 2 new discharges in Singapore. [source]

 1 new death in Thailand

11 new cases and 1 new death in Japan: a man in his 70s in the Kushiro district in Hokkaido [source] [source]

1 new case and 3 new discharges in Taiwan

586 new cases, and 3 new deaths in South Korea. [source] [source] [source] [source]

573 new cases, 35 new deaths (of which 34 in Hubei) and 2,623 new discharges occurred in China on Feb. 29, as reported by the National Health Commission (NHC) of China. [source]

http://archive.ph/cd8O0 [Washington State Is Investigating Potential Outbreak at Facility]

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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

The coronavirus COVID-19 is affecting 67 countries and territories around the world and 1 international conveyance (the Diamond Princess cruise ship harbored in Yokohama, Japan).add in 2 more countries from 4 hrs ago

88,308 total

3,001 deaths

42,728 recovered

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March 1 (GMT):

 

Europe | Middle East | Africa | North America | South America | Oceania | Asia

EUROPE

 566 new cases and 5 new deaths in Italy, for a total of 1,694 cases. Among the 1,577 active cases, 779 (49%) are hospitalized, 140 of which (representing 9% of active cases) are in intensive care. Among the 117 closed cases, 83 (71%) have recovered, 34 (29%) have died. [source]

3 new cases in Finland: including an elderly person and a school-aged child, both related to a previous case who had travelled to northern Italy [source]

15 new cases in Spain for a total of 79 cases, of which 3 in critical condition. [source]

First 3 cases in Czech Republic. They had all recently traveled to Northern Italy.

3 new cases in the Netherlands

12 new cases in the UK [source]
- 6 had traveled to Italy
- 2 had traveled to Iran
- 3 are close contacts of a known case
- 1 (in Essex) has no travel history and no clear link to cases. Being investigated.

1 new case in Belgium [source]

MIDDLE EAST

2 new cases in Qatar: they had both been evacuated from Iran on Feb. 27 [source]

6 new cases in Bahrain: 3 women and 3 men who had all visited Iran. [source]

6 new cases in Iraq: 2 in Baghdad, 4 in Sulaimaniya. They had all recently traveled to Iran. [source]

3 new cases in Lebanon, all three had visited Iran.

 1st case in Armenia [source]

NORTH AMERICA

1 new case in the United States (Rhode Island): a person in their 40s who had traveled to Italy in mid-February [source]

SOUTH AMERICA

First case in Dominican Republic, a 62-year old Italian citizen who entered the country on February 22nd. [source]

 

 

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I haven't taken the time to watch hours and hours of videos here. I assume though that those who've posted them, have probably watched them. I was wondering if anyone has seen something about those who have had flu shots and if it helps at all. I know it is designed for a specific flu strain and probably won't stop people from coming down with the virus, but has anyone heard that it might help reduce the severity… 

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Kahuna
2 hours ago, Salty Dog said:

I haven't taken the time to watch hours and hours of videos here. I assume though that those who've posted them, have probably watched them. I was wondering if anyone has seen something about those who have had flu shots and if it helps at all. I know it is designed for a specific flu strain and probably won't stop people from coming down with the virus, but has anyone heard that it might help reduce the severity… 

You never get the same twice..or flu either.  Each time is a different variation that if you live thru,your body then has the anti-bodies to keep that variation from hurting you again.Each yearly flu shot is made up to combat whatever variation is prevalent  that season.Last year's flu shot has no bearing on this year's flu so each year when the flu season comes around the vaccine is for that particular flu.  

This coronavirus strain is brand new.  There's no flu vaccines that will affect it.   

Reports of people who had this virus and got it again are not backed up in fact and are disputed as those who were tested wrong. [bad tests done poorly and misread conclusions]

If it's ever made a fact that you get the same thing twice then we are all in alot of trouble with this since it will be a first of it's kind and there's nothing so far like it in that respect.

https://www.self.com/story/same-cold-twice

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It is considered highly unlikely an individual will get two virus illnesses at the same time (a cold and flu for example). So, I suppose that suggests it might be a time to avoid getting a flu shot in the hopes you’ll have the flu at the same time as being exposed to the Covid 19 virus. 

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1 hour ago, Kahuna said:

Each yearly flu shot is made up to combat whatever variation is prevalent  that season

The CDC predicts what the flu will be each year by what is happening in Asia, (usually China). It's slightly better than throwing a dart at the board to pick one :wacko:

However, it's always a good idea to get the vaccine as early as possible as it takes several weeks to build up the immunity.

41 minutes ago, Jawny said:

It is considered highly unlikely an individual will get two virus illnesses at the same time (a cold and flu for example).

Sorry Jawny, gonna call you out on this one...It is very possible to contract the flu and then, while your immune system is weak from that you're an easy target for the Corona virus which is super dangerous on a weakened immune system.

From all reports, if your immune system is strong and functioning your body should be able to battle the Corona virus. The peeps that are dying have typically weak immune systems from other diseases, viruses, colds etc. or non-functioning immune systems that cannot battle the virus.

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