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Hey now, that and all food prep staff masking are the two things I hope NEVER change :D

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‘A very lonely place to be’
Take COVID-19 seriously, long-haulers warn

By Caroline Catherman Orlando Sentinel

On the rare occasions when Vero Beach resident Neil Passmore goes out in public, he’s often the only one in a mask.

When Passmore caught COVID-19 in June 2020, the virus hit him hard: He shook with chills, struggled to breathe, his heart raced and he had trouble regulating his body temperature. He also experienced disassociation and memory loss, among other symptoms.

In the weeks and months after his infection, he noticed some symptoms weren’t going away, and some were getting worse. After five weeks, he was often confused, stuttering and calling things by the wrong name: mailboxes became post offices, coconuts became pinecones, palm trees became pine trees.

Doctors eventually discovered optic nerve and brainstem damage.

His second round of COVID-19 in August 2021 made all his symptoms worse, particularly his cardiac symptoms.

More than two years later, he still struggles with regulating his body temperature, a rapid heartbeat, tinnitus, dizziness and neurological symptoms. His ongoing cognitive issues make it impossible to return to his job as a Walgreens pharmacist. He’s terrified of getting COVID-19 again.

“I went from having a very good job, living like you’re supposed to, working hard... for months and months, helping sick people every day,” he said. “Then I get sick, and blam! That’s it. You don’t know... if you’re going to be able to keep your house and your vehicles. Your way of life has definitely changed.”

Passmore has long COVID-19, known also as long-haul COVID-19, or Post COVID-19 condition. The CDC estimates as many as one in five adults who catch COVID-19 may go on to develop long COVID-19, defined by the World Health Organization as symptoms in people previously infected that last for at least two months and cannot be attributed to anything else. Common symptoms include fatigue, shortness of breath and cognitive dysfunction but the range is broad.

Now, as new, ultra-infectious subvariants of the COVID-19 omicron variant drive up COVID-19 cases, advocates say it is more important than ever to speed up awareness and research the origins and treatment for the condition.

“If in the future a significant portion of the population is suffering from COVID and long-haul COVID simultaneously, this will be an extraordinary burden financially for everyone,” said Elena Cyrus, an infectious disease epidemiologist and assistant professor at the University of Central Florida.

More questions than answers
An estimated 1.5 million adults in Florida are currently experiencing symptoms of long COVID-19, based on a summer 2022 household pulse survey and 2020 population estimates by the U.S. Census Bureau.

Other viruses can also cause symptoms that stick around after people recover, varying in severity or duration, Cyrus said.

“The only difference is that because of the scale of COVID, we are looking closer at it, because of the massive impact it can have,” she wrote in an email.

Two years in, there are still more questions than answers as to the disease’s origins: Could tiny blood clots be cutting off blood flow to some parts of the body? Does the coronavirus sometimes stick around in certain areas? Could COVID-19 make some people’s immune systems go haywire, causing chronic inflammation? Those are three leading theories, researchers told Science Magazine in a June article. In all likelihood, there is no single cause, but rather multiple factors working together.

There are no go-to proven treatments either, said Dr. Irene Estores, who opened the UF Health COVID RESTORE (rehabilitation, support, training, outreach and research) Treatment Program in Gainesville in July 2021. This is one of just five post-COVID care centers listed by the Survivors Corp, a grassroots patient advocacy effort.

Estores tries treatments that are meant for conditions with similar symptoms.

She points out long COVID research is moving forward, albeit slowly.

“We know more about long COVID — both mechanisms and treatments — now than we did two years ago. So, we just keep on working,” Estores said.

She has a long waitlist. Seeing patients is time-consuming, as is helping them apply for disability insurance benefits.

“Patients need to recognize that we do want to help, but physicians need resources to be able to help,” Estores said. “It will take more than just commitment from physicians ... This requires a concerted effort from health systems and from the government.”

The National Institutes of Health in February 2021 announced a $1.15 billion initiative, RECOVER, to fund investigations into the condition, though since then the initiative has faced criticism for its slow speed and lack of transparency, a June Science Magazine article reports.

Many of Estores’ patients have made progress, and she emphasizes this. But she acknowledges that it can be easy to give up.

“I can understand why... they feel this way. My patients tell me how hard it is. And I can see it,” Estores said. “... I can tell you that my patients who continue to work with me on this, we go somewhere.”

Terrified of reinfection
Faced with chronic, often unexplainable symptoms and no proven treatments, having long COVID-19 can feel hopeless, said Danielle Jordan, 21, from Coral Gables.

Jordan caught COVID-19 as a healthy 19-year-old. She couldn’t walk without pain, accurately taste or smell, or regulate her rapid heartbeat in the three months that followed. Though many symptoms faded, she still suffers from parosmia and dysgeusia:distorted smell and taste.

Jordan’s mental state is in recovery, too.

“What I wish people knew about long covid was the effects it can have on one’s mental health. It is a very lonely place to be in if no one around you is going through what you are going through,” Jordan wrote in an email. “... It’s been horrible.”

When the University of Miami student was exposed to the virus again in September 2021, she had panic attacks multiple times a day out of fear she’d test positive again.

Brian Hartin, who spoke to the Orlando Sentinel in October about his lack of energy, brain fog and depression, is about 80% recovered from long COVID-19 after about two years. He’s working again, though in a lower position than he was before because his health is still unpredictable.

The 37-year-old Lakeland resident, like Jordan, is desperate to get better and scared of catching COVID-19 again.

Their fears aren’t unfounded.

Saint Louis Health Care System researchers found that each time a person catches COVID-19, their risk of new health problems may increase, a draft study of over 5.6 million people said. It is currently awaiting peer review.

Others have moved on
Hartin doesn’t sense the same concern he has about COVID-19 in others, however.

A couple of weeks ago, he heard his coworkers joking that they were so burnt out, they wanted to catch COVID-19 just as an excuse to take time off.

“I was like, really? You don’t want to have what happened to me happen to you, and you’re talking about it just so casually,” Hartin said.

Doctors, too, have dismissed Hartin because there’s no clear cause for his symptoms.

“There’s only so many times that you can go to the doctor or go to the ER and they tell you that everything’s alright, you know, and that there’s nothing wrong with you, and obviously that’s not true, because I wouldn’t feel the way that I feel if there wasn’t something wrong,” he said.

Some doubt long COVID’s existence. Jeremy Devine, a resident psychiatrist at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, wrote a Wall Street Journal op-ed suggesting long COVID-19 can be explained in most cases by underlying mental health issues.

Florida Department of Health spokesperson Jeremy Redfern tweeted, “long COVID = anxiety” from his personal account to the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis in June.

Both faced swift backlash from physicians, psychiatrists, other mental health professionals and activists.

Passmore says for their sakes and his, he hopes the general public takes long COVID-19 and the current wave seriously.

“Maybe the new variants aren’t killing as many people, but there’s still a lot of risks with them,” he said.

Resources are growing
In the meantime, for those already struggling, there are resources, many of them established by long COVID-19 patients themselves.

Estores’ program is accepting new patients at https://ufhealth.org/integrative-medicine/contact; patients can call 352-265-9355 and specify they’re looking for long COVID-19 treatment.

She said patients should expect a waitlist at her clinic and others.

Other post-COVID-19 care centers and contact information can be found on the website of the Survivors Corp, a grassroots patient advocacy effort.

Support groups have also sprung up, such as COVID-19 Long Haulers Support on Facebook.

The Patient-Led Research Collaborative, a group of researchers with long COVID-19 born out of another support group, has resources as well.


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Since I lost my sense of smell and became very congested the first time I was infected (March 2020), and since these problems have been with me ever since, this is very important to me. The conclusion is that these sequelae are permanent. The fact that vaccination produces no benefits for long-COVID also answers a lot of questions for me.


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5 minutes ago, Headshot said:

Since I lost my sense of smell and became very congested the first time I was infected (March 2020), this is very important to me. The conclusion is that these sequelae are permanent. The fact that vaccination produces no benefits for long-COVID answers a lot of questions for me.


Is there some way to speed this video and information up ? At my age I don't even let people put me on hold.

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11 minutes ago, Semper paratus said:

Is there some way to speed this video and information up ? At my age I don't even let people put me on hold.

All I can say is, if this information is important to you, then watch. If it isn't important to you, then don't watch. It is similar to the decision you take a few times every day when you decide whether or not you will take time out of your busy schedule to eat.

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I only have time to eat once a day so there's that. 

12 hours ago, Semper paratus said:

Is there some way to speed this video and information up ? At my age I don't even let people put me on hold.

You-boob has adjustable playback speed

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Email from my brother Fred


Caroline( brothers wife) and I were over at Tracy's ( his daughters) last Sunday and Mike (his son in law) tested positive at Ford,s on Monday. Both Wyatt and Mike have it. Caroline( my (brothers wife) & I started feeling very tired late Tue., got tested at our Clinic , late Wed. results back Thur. a.m ,both + . The Doctor said he did not want to put us on the unapproved drug/ Paxlivid because it has problems interacting with our Statins and  it could cause our blood pressure to drop too low. Both our issues are like a old fashioned head cold ,scratchy throat and very low energy.Doctor said most people start feeling better in about 5 to 7days. Our temperatures are normal. The Doc said he is seeing a lot of this new variant hitting people that are fully vaxed and boosted .We are using some over the counter stuff and if not showing improvement by Tuesday will see what the next step is.We dodged the bullet for 2 + years. Amy( the other daughter) has made good progress with her shoulder and starts physical therapy next week to start working on range of motion,etc.( Amy crashed rising on of those mountain bike things) She may not need a operation on the soft tissue. I sent this instead of using the  phone  because my head is blocked up and I can't hear worth a shit.   Stay well. / Fred .


Today I read China has declared the U.S. as their enemy. Oh really, no shit Sherlock ? China has been our enemy for 40+ years as I have stated many times, but most Americans, Canadians, and others are apparently too damned stupid to put 2 and 2 together even after all this time. Do your really think Covid was an accident, are you that naive ? Do you also really think these variants are just showing up by accident ? Wake up people, how many times do I have to tell you ? Every single product of any sort can be laced one way or another with these diseases and they are winning the war !!!!!! Masks from China, how stupid, mandarin oranges in cans and bottles, every single food product , drug product, toys,  any hardware store item etc, the list is endless thanks to American greed. Do you get it now !!!!!. You are complicate in destroying our own country, understand ? Can I make it any clearer for those of you that still but that Chinese shit from and or through Canada, Mexico, or wherever that is just repackaged !!!!!!

Perhaps you are that ignorant, naive, stupid, that I'll go to my grave saying " I told you so" !!!!!~

Wake the feck up will ya !

Charlie aka Charles Alan Hannert) If I hurt your feelings too friggin' bad. IDGAS anymore.

Have a nice day it just may be your last.

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Is COVID losing its fangs and becoming more like the flu?


John Woolfolk and Harriet Blair Rowan, The Mercury News

SAN JOSE, Calif. — Today’s hyper-transmissible strain of the COVID-19 virus has sent cases soaring across the country. But rising deaths — the grim marker of earlier dangerous surges — haven’t kept pace, and the average risk of dying from an infection is dropping to levels almost as low as seasonal influenza, leading epidemiologists say.

Is the COVID virus — that has killed more than 1 million Americans — losing its fangs?

George Lemp, an infectious disease epidemiologist who has analyzed California public health data through the pandemic, thinks so. He said death rates have fallen consistently over the last two and a half years.

“COVID-19 case fatality rates are substantially lower and are rapidly approaching that of the annual flu,” said Lemp, former Director of the California HIV/AIDS Research Program at the University of California, Office of the President.
Death rates, or case fatality ratios, reflect the number of reported deaths as a percentage of known cases. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported an estimated 29 million flu illnesses and 28,000 deaths nationally in 2018-19, a death rate of 0.1%. For the season before that, there were 41 million flu-related illnesses and 52,000 deaths, a rate of 0.13%.

Lemp said California Department of Public Health data show that California’s COVID-19 death rate early in the pandemic, from February 2020 to May 2021, was 1.7% overall and dropped to 1.11% when the delta variant hit from July to December 2021.

When the even more transmissible omicron variant BA.1 hit from December through February, the rate fell to 0.34%. The most recent data with the omicron sub-variants BA.4 and BA.5 from June and July show a rate of 0.38%.
That’s still about three times deadlier than the official flu rates for recent pre-COVID seasons. But Lemp noted that many people use rapid at-home antigen test kits and don’t report the results, so experts estimate true case numbers likely are two to four times higher.

That would conservatively put the death rates from the current omicron BA.5 variant around 0.19%, a more flu-like level, he said. Though death rates are progressively higher with age, they have declined in all age groups.
National data show similar results. Our World in Data project, a public online data hub based at the University of Oxford, calculates the current U.S. COVID-19 death rate at 0.36%, down from a high of 2.88% in March 2021, using Johns Hopkins University case and death data.

All such calculations, of course, are subject to considerable uncertainty due to limitations of available data. Influenza case numbers are even less precise than those for COVID-19. The CDC and state public health officials had no comment on the COVID-19 death rates.

While epidemiologists agree the current virus is proving less lethal than earlier variants, it is still a killer and has made the many people who were infected recently and recovered absolutely miserable. The virus is killing an average of nearly 400 Americans and 40 Californians a day.

“COVID is the third-leading cause of death in U.S. this year,” said Dr. George Rutherford, an infectious disease specialist at UC San Francisco. “This is not trivial.”

He and Lemp agree there are many reasons why the virus is killing fewer today than in years past: increased vaccination, booster shots, improved patient care techniques and better treatments such as the antiviral drug Paxlovid all play a role.

The way the virus has mutated to become more transmissible also is a factor. Earlier versions tended to cause infections deep within the lungs. That kept them from spreading as easily but often led to life-threatening lung infections. Today’s omicron variant tends to settle in the body’s upper airways, allowing it spread much more easily but often producing less severe illness.

Rutherford said his elderly mother got the latest version and recovered.

“She was hoarse for two days and was fine,” Rutherford said. “But it just as easily could have gone south.”

Today’s dominant BA.5 version accounts for some nine out of 10 cases nationally, and no other variants have yet emerged that seem to be elbowing it aside — for now. But after repeated waves of COVID-19 infection spawned by new variants, health experts don’t think BA.5 is COVID’s last hurrah.

The virus has shown itself to mutate easily and circulates both in people and many animals that live around them. And while vaccine makers are planning an updated shot this fall based on the omicron BA.1 variant that erupted over the winter, there’s no telling how well it will work and for how long against any new variants.

Rutherford said that the virus mutates to evade our immune system in order to keep spreading, and how deadly it proves to be is incidental. But it doesn’t take much for a virus mutation to make it more transmissible, more deadly, or both.

“That’s just one mutation away from happening,” Rutherford said.

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Called it in 2020 ...

If it's more deadly it is often intrinsically less transmissible due to reduced opportunity.

It's the new flu people. Move along. 

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