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mikewright
12 minutes ago, Salty Dog said:

Seems high. 

It's been awhile, but I was in the hospital for over a month (not Covid related) and not counting the expensive drug I needed, I paid less than P400k.

 

That might explain it. The figures I mentioned included the drugs, oxygen, intravenous fluids etc.

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A_Simple_Man
4 hours ago, mikewright said:

One guy I know had two days in hospital here, the cost was 300,000 pesos

I know an expat who had corvid in a bad way a few months ago and spent a few days in the hospital here.  He also told me it cost him 300,000 pesos but he was pleased to pay it as he mentioned it was unlikely he would have survived if they did not give him such good care.  And this fellow is a long term expat who knows his prices so I do not doubt his word in the slightest.

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9 minutes ago, lamoe said:

If a lie or false premise is allowed to be continuously put forth it will eventually be accepted as the truth.

Or it may become the truth and people will say "See!  Toldja!"  As an example, 2 years ago certain people continuously put forth the idea that Covid was just a bad flu.  2 years later, after a worldwide pandemic and huge efforts all around the world, that statement is starting to be true.

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7 minutes ago, A_Simple_Man said:

Or it may become the truth and people will say "See!  Toldja!"  As an example, 2 years ago certain people continuously put forth the idea that Covid was just a bad flu.  2 years later, after a worldwide pandemic and huge efforts all around the world, that statement is starting to be true.

That "bad flu" has killed at least 1,000,000 Americans as of today.

 

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4 minutes ago, Irenicus said:

That "bad flu" has killed at least 1,000,000 Americans as of today.

 

Thank you!

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But you must remember we shouldn't be taking any extra ordinary precautions - such as a vaccine that has proven to be effective should we?

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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-one-million-covid-dead-mean-for-the-u-s-s-future/

What One Million COVID Dead Mean for the U.S.’s Future

The country is about to reach an unthinkably grim milestone. Nearly 200,000 children have lost parents, many more elderly have been killed, and family well-being has been ripped apart

By Melody Schreiber on March 29, 2022

 

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https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-people-die-flu/

The CDC estimates that an average of 36,000 people died of the flu each year over the past decade. The worst recent flu season was 2017-2018, when 61,000 people died from the flu. Around 22,000 people died of the flu during the shorter 2019-2020 season — the second lowest death total in the past 10 years, after the 12,000 flu deaths in the 2011-2012 season.

 

 

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45 minutes ago, Irenicus said:

That "bad flu" has killed at least 1,000,000 Americans as of today.

 

...And yet the virus was only responsible for half a million deaths in India, a country with about four times the population and medical care that has few of the advantages enjoyed in the US. We have to wonder what the differences were between how COVID-19 patients were cared for in these two countries.

Oh wait. We know the answer to that. India focused on immediate treatment of patients and allowed their doctors to decide what that treatment entailed (with much less emphasis on vaccination), and the US focused on vaccines and forbade doctors from using any treatment other than those approved by the CDC (which were mostly patented and expensive). Consequently, a lot of people died in the US who didn't need to had they been given immediate treatment after they were infected.

Was it the virus that killed them ... or the policies that doctors were forced to follow?

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lamoe
12 minutes ago, Headshot said:

...And yet the virus was only responsible for half a million deaths in India, a country with about four times the population and medical care that has few of the advantages enjoyed in the US. We have to wonder what the differences were between how COVID-19 patients were cared for in these two countries.

Oh wait. We know the answer to that. India focused on immediate treatment of patients and allowed their doctors to decide what that treatment entailed (with much less emphasis on vaccination), and the US focused on vaccines and forbade doctors from using any treatment other than those approved by the CDC (which were mostly patented and expensive). Consequently, a lot of people died in the US who didn't need to had they been given immediate treatment after they were infected.

Was it the virus that killed them ... or the policies that doctors were forced to follow?

And maybe, just maybe, if they'd gotten the shots they wouldn't have been 7 times more likely to get infected and 52 times more likely to die if they did?

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Where did the topic on the John Hopkins Tracker go? It was in the COVID-19 forum, and it just disappeared (less than an hour ago). Does anybody know why?

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Salty Dog
33 minutes ago, Headshot said:

Where did the topic on the John Hopkins Tracker go? It was in the COVID-19 forum, and it just disappeared (less than an hour ago). Does anybody know why?

It's been here all along:

 

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On 4/15/2022 at 3:20 PM, Headshot said:

 

Pretty stunning figures in that video. Scott Davison, the CEO of OneAmerica, a $100 billion life insurance and retirement company headquartered in Indianapolis, reports that death rates among working-age people – those 18 to 64-years-old – are up 40 percent in the third and fourth quarter of 2021 over pre-pandemic levels.

He said the data shows COVID deaths are greatly understated among working-age Americans, and that his company expects to pay out more than $100 million in covid disability claims alone.

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Insurance executive says death rates among working-age people up 40 percent

“We’re seeing right now the highest death rates we’ve ever seen in the history of this business,” said Scott Davison, the CEO of OneAmerica, a $100 billion life insurance and retirement company headquartered in Indianapolis. 

“The data is consistent across every player in the business.”

Davison said death rates among working-age people – those 18 to 64-years-old – are up 40 percent in the third and fourth quarter of 2021 over pre-pandemic levels.

“Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three sigma or 200-year catastrophe would be a 10 percent increase over pre-pandemic levels,” Davison said. “So, 40 percent is just unheard of.”

He said the data shows COVID deaths are greatly understated among working age Americans. 

Davison says OneAmerica expects to pay out more than $100 million in short- and long-term disability claims due to the pandemic.

“Whether it’s long COVID or whether it’s because people haven’t been able to get the health care they need because the hospitals are overrun, we’re seeing those claims start to tick up as well,” he said.

Because of this, insurance companies are beginning to add premium increases on employers in counties with low vaccination rates to cover the benefit payouts.

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