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DeedleNuts
8 hours ago, Fish Sandwich said:

Or, as it would have been regardless. You'll never know.

Sort of. It's an error to predict individual outcomes from statistical data, but predicting likelihood of various outcomes from statistical data is pretty much what statistical data is for. Statistically, people with the shot get sick less often, and when they do, they are less sick.

Just because on average humans have one tit and one testicle doesn't mean that configuration is common in individuals; some insight is required when reading stats. 

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I am wondering should we:

Blame those that never took antibiotics for the development of antibiotic resistant bacteria.

Blame those that never used Roundup for the development of herbicide resistant superweeds.

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If not, why blame covid variants on the unvaxxed?

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48 minutes ago, davedude said:

If not, why blame covid variants on the unvaxxed?

Because it's a different mechanism. Selective breeding vs increased opportunity for random mutations. 

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48 minutes ago, DeedleNuts said:

Because it's a different mechanism. Selective breeding vs increased opportunity for random mutations. 

A virus does not need to mutate in the un-vaccinated.

A virus NEEDS to mutate in the vaccinated or DIE. 

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DeedleNuts
1 hour ago, davedude said:

A virus does not need to mutate in the un-vaccinated.

A virus NEEDS to mutate in the vaccinated or DIE. 

That's not really how this works. Viruses are not technically even alive. 

 

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The mechanism you've described is for bacterial infections and so on. 

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33 minutes ago, DeedleNuts said:

Viruses are not technically even alive

That is debatable.  Science says the virus is not alive because it cannot reproduce outside of its host environment.  Take humans away from our host environment (the earth) and we cannot survive long enough to reproduce either, unless we find another host environment.

To be politicaly correct, science says studies have so far shown that SARS-CoV-2 can survive in air droplets for as long as three hours and on some hard surfaces for up to three days

So viruses need to mutate to survive rather than live.  Semantics only.

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DeedleNuts
12 minutes ago, A_Simple_Man said:

So viruses need to mutate to survive rather than live.

OK so here's the thing. Mutation is not a response to "need to live". That's just not how it works.

Mutations happen via a variety of mechanisms, for viruses like covid it's mostly replication errors. Mutations actually just happen pretty often for RNA replication - they lack error correction. Most of the replication errors are not beneficial to the virus. Sometimes one is. Presence of an immune response isn't a factor.

In bacteria, which are alive, it's a similar scenario. Mutations happen. Resistant strains come into being without antibiotics being present, but they have no competitive advantage and often actually have a competitive deficit until they are in an environment where antibiotics cull the non-mutant competition. Then they, if not killed off as well, have an opportunity to thrive.

None of this is CAUSED by vaccines, immunity, or antibiotics. In the case of bacteria, the antibiotic not being used appropriately simply provides an opportunity for the strain in question to thrive. 

 

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And now its hitting the children. hard! Want to protect your children? Get vaccinated.

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Children make up 15% of U.S. COVID-19 cases

More and more children are testing positive for COVID-19, and some doctors are not only reporting an uptick in cases but more severe illness for kids who contract the virus. 

According to the American Academy of Pediatrics, 93,824 child COVID-19 cases were reported between July 29 and August 5, with children representing 15% of the weekly reported cases in the U.S. Since July 22, the total number of child COVID-19 cases has jumped 4%. As of August 5, nearly 4.3 million children in the U.S. have tested positive for COVID-19 since the start of the pandemic. 

And while severe illness due to COVID-19 is uncommon among children, "there is an urgent need to collect more data on longer-term impacts of the pandemic on children, including ways the virus may harm the long-term physical health of infected children, as well as its emotional and mental health effects," the academy says.

Some doctors in Seattle have reported an increase of children with serious illness from COVID-19, urgent care nurse practitioner Justin Gill told CBSN last week. Gill said kids are not as susceptible to serious illness as adults, but with more cases come more hospitalizations. 

"With Delta variant, we are seeing some younger people, even vaccinated and unvaccinated, but the vast majority of cases who get hospitalized tend to be unvaccinated individuals," Gill said. Kids under 12 cannot yet receive COVID-19 vaccines, which are still undergoing testing in younger age groups. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/children-make-up-15-of-u-s-covid-19-cases/ar-AAN7uOi?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

 

 

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Does Natural Immunity to COVID-19 Offer Better Protection Than Getting the Vaccine?

 

Some people who have already recovered from COVID-19 are hesitant to get the vaccine, but the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is urging everyone to be vaccinated because the shot provides better protection than natural immunity.

Recovering from COVID-19 is believed to offer some protection against the virus, but it's unclear how long that protection lasts and it's possible to get COVID-19 more than once. However, the CDC recently found the chances of a person re-contracting COVID-19 is significantly less if they get vaccinated.

"This study shows you are twice as likely to get infected again if you are unvaccinated," Dr. Rochelle Walensky, the director of the CDC, said in a statement.

https://www.newsweek.com/does-natural-immunity-covid-19-offer-better-protection-getting-vaccine-1617541

 

 

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Kahuna
Just now, Dafey said:

WOW! He has treated 15 whole coronavirus patients! I am definately listening to someone as experienced as him.

The important thing is that you ARE listening and hearing true testimony from a real Doctor who is in the field telling it like it is.

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Dafey
3 minutes ago, Kahuna said:

The important thing is that you ARE listening and hearing true testimony from a real Doctor who is in the field telling it like it is.

I agree. He's telling it as he sees it. So are all the Doctors in the articles pushing for vaccinations, masks, social distancing, etc. 

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Kahuna
1 minute ago, Dafey said:

I agree. He's telling it as he sees it. So are all the Doctors in the articles pushing for vaccinations, masks, social distancing, etc. 

   Getting ALL the info to your everyday reader is what is important, so THEY can decide for themselves.  There are a few critical thinkers left in the world I hope.  

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