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China’s National Health Commission has confirmed human-to-human transmission of the mysterious virus.

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There no way to know just how much of this is accurate but marking it here as a just in case scenario and a place to add more info on this if it progresses and if things become more clear as time goes on.  

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when I don my tinfoil hat, I have to ask... okie, there are 53 deaths as of what I read today, and still under a 1000 reported infections. Fine, maybe those numbers are a little or even a lot wrong, but... a quarantine on 53 million people? I wonder how many places my fractional number would be in death per thousand? This level of precaution may seem kinda admirable, but it seems fishy too - not to mention, this will send their economy into a major tailspin. Also viewed a video today where they are physically demolishing roadway connections so people can't get out... Toss in the two insta-field hospitals for 2,300 and the response seems nowhere near proportional?

also deadly, I am reading that people can be carrying the infection without showing any symptoms... that won't be great at NAIA.

and the bio labs. 

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Waiting for Duterte to ban all Chinese from entering the country...

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12 minutes ago, SkyMan said:

Plenty in Shanghai, I guess China Eastern is out.

It gets updated but I'm not sure how often since I just found it.  I'm sure they are using info that's been validated .   

There are reports of people with the symptoms who are bragging they got past blockades since it's The Chinese Lunar New year celebration so look for this to "go viral"[no pun intended of course]

What's the most concerning of this outbreak is reports that it is a mutating virus and several cases of that are showing up here and there.


On a side note..has anyone ever read the book by Stephen King called "The Stand"?   I can't help thinking of it every time I update here.      Kind of eerie..

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   Kicking it around in my head today I realized that USA imports tons of fresh fish from China. Along with that, there are meat companies here in the states that ship over live animals for China to process and then ship back to the states to distribute among many warehouse companies where grocery chains buy up and distribute all that back to the consumer. 

That means that if there's just one infected worker reporting for work and he handles numerous meat items that day in his job ..what are we looking at when you figure that will all come to your grocery cart soon?

  Worst case scenerio?   Maybe..  have to wait and see i think.   


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This Is How China Is Hiding The True Number Of Coronavirus Deaths

by Tyler Durden

Sat, 01/25/2020 - 15:55

As the world's cortisol and stomach acid levels rise every hour in parallel with the number of officially reported Coronavirus infections (and deaths), which as of Saturday morning was roughly 1,400...



... the world has an unpleasant flashback to 2003 when for weeks Beijing would lie and hide the full extent of the SARS epidemic to avoid risking a social panic. To be sure, this time China has done its best to pretend it has learned from the past and it is so transparent, even President Xi Jinping warned that the country is facing a "grave situation", and that the spread of the deadly virus is accelerating  after holding a special government meeting on the Lunar New Year public holiday.

After staying largely silent in public about the outbreak since it first emerged in central China last month, Xi on Saturday convened a special meeting of the seven-member Politburo Standing Committee, calling for a more centralized response to the epidemic and asserting personal responsibility in addressing the crisis.

"When an epidemic breaks out, a command is issued. It is our responsibility to prevent and control it," Xi said, according to the state-run Xinhua News Agency. He called for the new high-level committee to "address concerns within and outside the country,” indirectly referencing mounting global concern about the epidemic, which Mr. Xi described as a “grave situation” that was accelerating. “We definitely can win the battle to contain the epidemic,” he vowed.

That remains to be seen: as reported earlier, in China - which has put over 56 million people on lockdown quarantine - the coronavirus has killed at least 41 people and infected over 1,400 in China. Ominously, a UK researcher predicted that the Coronavirus would infect over 250,000 people in China in under two weeks, which has sparked a renewed fear that China will once again try to underrepresent the true severity of the diseases until it is too late.


The problem is that even as China theatrically pretends to be so forthright about the extent of the epidemic - if only to avoid panic and chaos over allegations it is again hiding the full impact of the disease - it is doing precisely that, and now we know just how it is doing that: instead of putting down coronavirus as the cause of death for an unknown number of Wuhan casualties, China's coroners and hospitals merely ascribe death to "viral pneumonia", case closed.

Here's how the WSJ describes this treacherous "bait and switch":

A 53-year-old fitness trainer died on Wednesday after checking into a hospital in Wuhan a little more than a week earlier, said his niece. His family had expected the death certificate to reflect the deadly coronavirus, because as his condition deteriorated, his doctors told his family he was suffering from an untreatable virus in his lungs.

Instead, it recorded “severe pneumonia” as the cause of death, she said. The relatives of two other people who died in separate hospitals in Wuhan this week also described similar situations, saying the causes of death had been given as “viral pneumonia.”

Why did the hospital do this? Because as the relatives of all three now dead people said, the deceased hadn’t been included in China’s official count of 41 deaths attributed to coronavirus.

And that's how China is suppressing the full extent of nCoV's lethality, and keeping the mortality rate of the coronavirus artificially low: “There are likely to be many times more cases in Wuhan than officially confirmed,” said Neil Ferguson, a disease modeler at Imperial College London, who echoed the forecast of Jonathan Read, and estimated as many as 4,000 people may have been infected in Wuhan. “Clearly, the hospitals are overwhelmed.”

What's worse is that if there are indeed 4,000 injected already, then the previously discussed catastrophic forecast of 250,000 cases by Feb 4 may be overly optimistic by half.


The official numbers are far lower of course: on Saturday morning, local time, the number of confirmed global infections had risen to at least 1,438, nearly doubling from the previous day. Comically, China has said it would hold officials accountable for any delays or omissions in reporting cases: so far such threats appear to have had precisely zero impact on anyone.

Others have confirmed as much: as the WSJ reports, "some Chinese media with reporters on the ground in Wuhan have said they have found cases that weren’t included in the official reporting. Caixin, a business journal, reported in early January that a doctor in Wuhan had been infected, 11 days before officials confirmed that medical staff had been infected. The Beijing News, a newspaper, reported this week that many patients weren’t officially labeled as carrying the new virus, even though their doctors and nurses said they were."


That said, there may be a legitimate reason why the real number is being underreported, and it has to do with the flood of actual cases which is just too much for local doctors to keep up: China state-run TV cited doctors in Wuhan who said the number of patients with fever was too many to be treated and patients hospitalized couldn’t get the pathogenic test in time, because the samples needed to be sent to the provincial offices of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention.

That will soon change: China’s health ministry updated its protocol for identifying infections on Thursday with a simplified process for registering cases as suspected or confirmed. An earlier version, viewed by the Journal, required several steps of testing before a patient could be called a suspected case.

Yet despite these mitigating circumstances, it appears that the underlying incentive is to underreport the true extent of the epidemic for as long as possible.

One woman, a 63-year-old retiree in Wuhan, died on Tuesday, her nephew told the WSJ. The death certificate, viewed by the Journal, shows the cause of death as “pneumonia obtained from the community.” Doctors at the hospital that treated her told the family she had the new coronavirus, the nephew said, but she wasn’t counted as a case. The instance has also been reported by the Beijing News.

In another case, a 72-year-old former doctor was in the hospital for three days before he died on Tuesday, his nephew said. The doctors told the family he had caught viral pneumonia, he said. The niece said her uncle, the fitness trainer, first noticed symptoms of what he thought was a common cold in early January, which he believed he had caught at a banquet. He didn’t pay much attention initially, but a few days later, he decided to go to the hospital after seeing blood when he coughed. His niece said he had never been to the food market believed to be the epicenter of the virus.

"The doctor told us repeatedly that he caught the viral pneumonia that no medicine could treat,” she said. A patient’s immune system is the only defense, she said the family was told. “But after he died, the death certificate only said ‘severe pneumonia,’" she said, adding that she had expected the record to reflect the newly detected coronavirus.

The uncle was transferred to the infectious diseases unit on Wednesday, the niece said. Hours later, the family was informed that his condition was critical. Two days after her uncle died, China’s health ministry released the profiles of 39 deaths in Hubei due to the new virus, with two deaths listed in other provinces. She couldn’t find her uncle on the list.

As hundreds if not thousands of Wuhan residents die due to "severe pneumonia" instead of coronavirus, one can't help but wonder if once the true cause of death is reported, instead of a 4% mortality rate as calculated by Dr. Jonathan Read, the Coronavirus epidemic won't be in double digits - SARS was 11% - making this one of the most deadly epidemics in history.

Incidentally, here is a reminder of what happened when China's attempts to cover up the full extent of the 2003 SARS epidemic were exposed:

A Chinese doctor who exposed the cover-up of China’s SARS outbreak in 2003 has been barred from traveling to the United States to collect a human rights award, a friend of the doctor and a human rights group said this week.

The doctor, Jiang Yanyong, a retired surgeon in the People’s Liberation Army, was awarded the Heinz R. Pagels Human Rights of Scientists Award by the New York Academy of Sciences. His army-affiliated work unit, Beijing’s Hospital 301, denied him permission to travel to the award ceremony in September, Hu Jia, a Chinese rights promoter who is a friend of Dr. Jiang’s, said Thursday.

Dr. Jiang rose to international prominence in 2003, when he disclosed in a letter circulated to international news organizations that at least 100 people were being treated in Beijing hospitals for severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS. At the time, the Chinese medical authorities were asserting that the entire nation had only a handful of cases of the disease.

The revelation prompted China’s top leaders to acknowledge that they had provided false information about the epidemic. The health minister and the mayor of Beijing were removed from their posts.

Surely this time is different


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13 hours ago, Kahuna said:

I'm sure they are using info that's been validated .   

Seems like right after you posted the link I checked and were 15XX confirmed and then this morning 14XX.  The kid here in Cebu was never confirmed, only suspected.  So what happened to that 100 or so?  The link shows only 49 recovered.  It's over 2K confirmed now so maybe it doesn't matter but maybe there are different levels of confirmed?

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Doctor, advanced degree in pathology and disease transmission from Duke University. Very informative:  


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It gets worse and worse. Take note that Hong Kong has declared a two-week school closure for all schools to try to stop the spread of this virus, and the doctors in Hong Kong are threatening to go on strike if the borders aren't closed immediately. And here is an interesting fact... Even if you take China's official numbers as true, there have been more deaths than recoveries from this virus.

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