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9 hours ago, Kreole said:

I appreciate you bringing some sanity to this issue.  What this actually represents is the weaponization of  the seasonal flu as a pretext for population control.  The economic and emotional costs will be much higher than the deaths, which are the natural selection process of every seasonal flu. 

Not the same at all, Suggest you all watch:

 

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1,095,094 total

58,814 deaths

229,199 recoveries

The coronavirus COVID-19 is affecting 205 countries and territories around the world and 2 international conveyances: the Diamond Princess cruise ship harbored in Yokohama, Japan, and the Holland America's MS Zaandam cruise ship.

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Italy: the real number of COVID-19 cases in the country could be 5,000,0000 (compared to the 119,827 confirmed ones) according to a study which polled people with symptoms who have not been tested, and up to 10,000,000 or even 20,0000,000 after taking into account asymptomatic cases, according to Carlo La Vecchia, a Professor of Medical Statistics and Epidemiology at the Statale di Milano University.

This number would still be insufficient to reach herd immunity, which would require 2/3 of the population (about 40,000,000 people in Italy) having contracted the virus [source].

The number of deaths could also be underestimated by 3/4 (in Italy as well as in other countries) [source], meaning that the real number of deaths in Italy could be around 60,000.

If these estimates were true, the mortality rate from COVID-19  would be much lower (around 25 times less) than the case fatality rate based solely on laboratory-confirmed cases and deaths, since it would be underestimating cases (the denominator) by a factor of about 1/100 and deaths by a factor of 1/4.

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10 minutes ago, Kahuna said:

Italy: the real number of COVID-19 cases in the country could be 5,000,0000 (compared to the 119,827 confirmed ones) according to a study which polled people with symptoms who have not been tested, and up to 10,000,000 or even 20,0000,000 after taking into account asymptomatic cases, according to Carlo La Vecchia, a Professor of Medical Statistics and Epidemiology at the Statale di Milano University.

This number would still be insufficient to reach herd immunity, which would require 2/3 of the population (about 40,000,000 people in Italy) having contracted the virus [source].

The number of deaths could also be underestimated by 3/4 (in Italy as well as in other countries) [source], meaning that the real number of deaths in Italy could be around 60,000.

Wow, if this is true the infected in Italy would be 50 to 100 times higher, so the death figure by 75%. This means that for other other countries if will be even higher as Italy tests are performed 3 times within 24 hours at any person tested to make sure the tests are correct. No other country does that, so I suspect a lot of "negatives" slipping through.

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19 hours ago, nothingbutquestions said:

Italy has the highest kill rate at 12.5% and Israel one of the lowest at 0,5%

That is currently with precautionary measures in place. Italy was late  and that's why their numbers are higher. If the virus was allowed to go unchecked without the precautionary measures in place those numbers would be much higher.

16 hours ago, TequilaSunset said:

Huge over reaction, 80,000 died from the flu in the winter of 2017, no panic, no destruction of economies. H1N1 12k+ with estimates of up to 30k died, no panic. No media fear mongering. This has been hyped ridiculously. I'm 60+, compromised lungs, I flew into the storm in February vis Korea, stayed a month, flew back in a incubator filled with Asians in March, no problems. Wore a mask on the flights only, sanitized hands regularly, didn't touch face. I'm out in public, Walmart's are packed now. Life goes on, sheltering in place is for the timid. Just be smart and don't touch your face. I learned lots working in hospitals doing sterility assurance etc.

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For some of the population they continue to be in denial. That's okay, but if you go around like everything is normal you are going to help spread this disease. Pure and simple you are an enabler for the virus.

If you are a Darwinist, I get it...I understand evolution. But With Science we have the choice to try and protect ourselves, our loved ones and even those that don't seem to care.

What if this is not the worst to come? What if there is a worse one in 10 years after everyone has looked at this as "oh 2020, we shut down the economy and only lost half a million world wide". Then, the response is even stronger and the Darwinists win! "Yeah, just let it run it's course. Wash your hands, you'll be fine".

I choose to fight this thing with Science.

6 hours ago, Soupeod said:

Not the same at all, Suggest you all watch:

Horrible way to die...hope all the Darwinsts watch!

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1 hour ago, Cgu said:

Wow, if this is true the infected in Italy would be 50 to 100 times higher, so the death figure by 75%. This means that for other other countries if will be even higher as Italy tests are performed 3 times within 24 hours at any person tested to make sure the tests are correct. No other country does that, so I suspect a lot of "negatives" slipping through.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/01/covid-19-may-be-far-more-prevalent-than-previously-thought   ...  probably need to sign up for a trial to read this normally:

ONE OF THE trickier tasks for epidemiologists studying the coronavirus pandemic is determining just how prevalent it is...Germany is testing 500,000 of its citizens each week. Britain, which is limiting tests to those with severe symptoms, is managing just one-tenth as many.

A new paper by a group of 62 scientists attempts to shed light on the matter using some clever statistics. The study, which was overseen by Neil Ferguson and Samir Bhatt of Imperial College London, looked at data for 11 countries in western Europe. To arrive at accurate estimates for the likely prevalence of the virus in each country, the researchers’ epidemiological model calculates backwards using data on observed covid-19 deaths. By observing the timing of deaths alongside known information about transmission rates and time lags of infections, the researchers arrive at better estimates of covid-19 prevalence.
The results suggest the virus is far more prevalent than official case counts would suggest. Across the 11 European countries studied, official government statistics indicate that there are 319,500 confirmed cases, affecting less than 0.1% of the population. The Imperial researchers peg the more likely figure at 18.5m cases (with a confidence interval of between 7m and 43m), which suggests that, as of March 28th, 5% of the population in these countries have contracted the virus.

This high infection rate is partly because of the highly contagious nature of the virus. The epidemiologists estimated the “basic reproduction number” of covid-19 to be 3.9, meaning that in a population where no one is immune, and no precautions are taken to control the outbreak, each infected individual passes on the virus to nearly four other people. By implementing “non-pharmaceutical interventions”—such as school closures, the banning of public events and nationwide lockdowns—governments have successfully reduced this reproduction number. Once it drops below one, the number of new infections starts to fall.

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TequilaSunset

How about a different perspective

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Still = 4,750,000 dead US @ 100% infection- save even 10% more via realistic precautions = 475,000

@75% = 3,500,000 = 350,000

@50% - 2,375,000 = 237,500

etc.

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TequilaSunset
2 hours ago, Dafey said:

That is currently with precautionary measures in place. Italy was late  and that's why their numbers are higher. If the virus was allowed to go unchecked without the precautionary measures in place those numbers would be much higher.

Italy wasn't just late, they were absolutely stupid! Direct flights from Wuhan for all their laborers, telling people to hug a Chinese cuz they wanted to not appear racist, and a very crappy healthcare system, that comes with socialized medicine. Add to shit a huge population in tight quarters, perfect storm.

8 minutes ago, lamoe said:

Still = 4,750,000 dead - save even 10% more via realistic precautions = 475,000

Huh? death toll globally is approx 40k now... what are these numbers?

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5 minutes ago, TequilaSunset said:

Italy wasn't just late, they were absolutely stupid! Direct flights from Wuhan for all their laborers, telling people to hug a Chinese cuz they wanted to not appear racist, and a very crappy healthcare system, that comes with socialized medicine. Add to shit a huge population in tight quarters, perfect storm.

Huh? death toll globally is approx 40k now... what are these numbers?

From "How about a different perspective" post

Will correct total - was shown at 100% US pollution infected - 327,000,000 x 0.0146

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Starting to see a bigger picture?
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Dafey

So let's keep the politics out of this thread. Feel free to post political opinions in the CR.

The title of the thread is:

News: Philippines & From Around the World Coronavirus (COVID-19) Information and Questions How to stop spread of the COVID-19 Virus

 

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Dafey
34 minutes ago, Dafey said:

So let's keep the politics out of this thread. Feel free to post political opinions in the CR.

Again!!! No Politics in this thread, please

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Can I report that the death numbers are inflated? People with multiple morbidity are being falsely tagged with C19 as the cause of death, many are being walked backed. Lots of reports of this. First morbidity usually gets the win, just like my dad's death. This is being falsified to get extra funding and continue the hysteria.

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On 4/1/2020 at 7:36 AM, Dafey said:

They say this about to sweep through the nursing homes in North Am

20 of 65 dead now. plus 1 volunteer.

Nursing homes really not equipped for this.

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