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Kahuna
1 minute ago, Dutch said:

This guy has been anti vax for years, fighting against measles vaccines (and more) before covid even was a thing (https://www.insider.com/anti-vaccine-doctors-medical-license-free-speech-2019-5).
Very dangerous misinformation, given how many lives are saved with vaccines.

I know you haven't watched the video..

Anyone that's not onboard the "get the shot" wagon is labeled and suppressed.  

I'm not anti vax but I am against this shot.  

 

 

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30 minutes ago, Kahuna said:

I know you haven't watched the video..

Anyone that's not onboard the "get the shot" wagon is labeled and suppressed.  

I'm not anti vax but I am against this shot.  

 

 

All I am saying is, as of right now, you have to be very careful with what information you do and don't trust, it became a political issue (which opens the door to propaganda, as suddenly politics is the motive).
On top of that you got a bunch of antivaxxers jumping on the bandwagon to spread their theories and sell you their books/merch/whatever else they use to monetize their following.

If you ask my personal opinion, I don't see myself getting the vaccine either, I simply don't see a reason, as I am young and healthy, my immune system should be able to fight it off naturally (assuming I haven't already had covid).
There are however, people whose lives can be saved with these vaccines, the priority groups that also need their yearly flu shots.

Covid is here to stay, but there will come a time where the people at risk are safe, just like they are already safe from other corona viruses that have been around for decades. 
The difference is, there is already sufficient herd immunity against these other corona viruses, and people at risk get extra protection through their yearly flu shots, which will most likely end up also containing covid booster shots at some point.

Right now, in order for it to not kill off the individuals that are at risk, we would first need to bring down the amount of cases, create herd immunity (whether through vaccines, or just natural antibodies that will form in a population over time), and moving forward, make covid shots part of the cocktail of flu shots that high risk individuals already receive.

The only reason this got so out of hand is because for the first few months, the Chinese government spread so much misinformation while silencing doctors and journalists until it was too late and other governments started realizing they now have an actual health crisis on their hands.

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davedude
1 hour ago, Dutch said:

Anecdotal from unverified and anonymous sources, be very weary with what you read about the vaccines, seeing as it somehow became a political issue in the US, you literally can't trust anything anymore.
This site could very well be setup by some Russian/Chinese troll farm.

If vaccines suddenly starts making healthy individuals sick, it would not be in any European nations' interest to hide it.
You would hear verified and reliable sources from Europe, they already did over 600 million(!) jabs.

Skepticism is good. We must be diligent in filtering what is presented on the web. Do what you have to do. I think if you look into it further you might find verification. In the Q&A videos, one of the ladies who identifies herself claims to be one of the clinical trial participants. If true that means people di not just suddenly as in recently start having adverse reaction. It began at the very beginning.

They all claim to be 100 percent pro vaccination. 

The CDC's own data shows hundreds of thousands, almost a half million adverse effects from the vaccines as well as over eleven thousand people dead.  And that is just in the US. The chances of these deaths and adverse events being underreported is very high.

https://www.naturalhealth365.com/vaers-data-released-3912.html

An older article (May) with numbers from Europe.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/12-million-possible-adverse-events-after-vaccination-uk-gerry-brady/

A summary of sorts about safety concerns of vaccines for covid. There is EU data there.

https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/07/exclusive-summary-covid-19-vaccine-concerns/

 

 

 

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Kahuna
7 minutes ago, Dutch said:

All I am saying is, as of right now, you have to be very careful with what information you do and don't trust, it became a political issue (which opens the door to propaganda, as suddenly politics is the motive).
On top of that you got a bunch of antivaxxers jumping on the bandwagon to spread their theories and sell you their books/merch/whatever else they use to monetize their following.

If you ask my personal opinion, I don't see myself getting the vaccine either, I simply don't see a reason, as I am young and healthy, my immune system should be able to fight it off naturally (assuming I haven't already had covid).
There are however, people whose lives can be saved with these vaccines, the priority groups that also need their yearly flu shots.

Covid is here to stay, but there will come a time where the people at risk are safe, just like they are already safe from other corona viruses that have been around for decades. 
The difference is, there is already sufficient herd immunity against these other corona viruses, and people at risk get extra protection through their yearly flu shots, which will most likely end up also containing covid booster shots at some point.

Right now, in order for it to not kill off the individuals that are at risk, we would first need to bring down the amount of cases, create herd immunity (whether through vaccines, or just natural antibodies that will form in a population over time), and moving forward, make covid shots part of the cocktail of flu shots that high risk individuals already receive.

The only reason this got so out of hand is because for the first few months, the Chinese government spread so much misinformation while silencing doctors and journalists until it was too late and other governments started realizing they now have an actual health crisis on their hands.

We need more than this one way street that says get it or else so from time to time I'm going to hold the door open for alternating views so critical thinkers can figure things out for themselves, instead of having it all done for them so they can get back to thinking their governments have nothing but the people's best interest in mind.    :hi:

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If any of us get sick, to the point where we do not know what to do about it, would we ask a bunch of random people on this forum what to do about it or would we ask a doctor that we trust?

The answer should be obvious.  Why then, wouldn't we just ask our own doctor if we need a vaccine and do as he recommends?

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My daughters are in their early 30s and very healthy. I've encouraged them to get the vaccine because of the lingering illnesses after getting Covid whether it is severe or not.

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Long haulers: Why some people experience long-term coronavirus symptoms

 

Novel coronavirus (COVID-19) symptoms can last weeks or months for some people. These patients, given the name "long haulers", have in theory recovered from the worst impacts of COVID-19 and have tested negative. However, they still have symptoms. There seems to be no consistent reason for this to happen.

Researchers estimate about 10% of COVID-19 patients become long haulers, according to a recent article from The Journal of the American Medical Association and a study done by British scientists. That’s in line with what UC Davis Health is seeing.

This condition can effect anyone – old and young, otherwise healthy people and those battling other conditions. It has been seen in those who were hospitalized with COVID-19 and patients with very mild symptoms.

Watch UC Davis Live on Long Haulers featuring two UC Davis experts

https://health.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/covid-19-information/covid-19-long-haulers.html

 

More info at website.

 

4 hours ago, A_Simple_Man said:

The answer should be obvious.  Why then, wouldn't we just ask our own doctor if we need a vaccine and do as he recommends?

I have learned to trust my doctors over the years. In times like these we have to make a choice as to "who we trust" and I've made mine. I hope we all make the right decisions for ourselves and our families.

This ain't the flu!

See you guys on the other side

 

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Fish Sandwich
18 hours ago, A_Simple_Man said:

The answer should be obvious.  Why then, wouldn't we just ask our own doctor if we need a vaccine and do as he recommends?

Not really obvious. How could they possibly know? Even the vaccine fine print and contracts say they don't know what's going to happen long term (in addition to the long list of possible side effects including death). I'm guessing most doctors are just going to recite to you what you've heard in the mainstream news 100x over. They have a scripted playbook (and that goes for anything, not just covid). No? Therefore, why even ask them, you already know what they are going to say. 

Furthermore, that's not how this whole situation is being handled. It's a blanket rollout. There's no doctors involved in many of these cases. They want to jab everybody. They are testing on infants and children who are not even affected by this.

... (not in regards to the quote above)...

There are plenty of extremely credible doctors and scientists speaking out against this in many countries. However, as soon as they do, they are being drug through the mud, as usual. They are being de-indexed in search engines, banned and suspended from social media... on a whole new level. It's definitely happening and it's not just the quacks. There's a whole parallel economy being built at the moment just for this reason (although it is stemming more from politics). If you aren't using those less than optimal, buggy, newer platforms, you probably aren't much aware of one whole side of the story. You can't even look any more on Google if you want to find something outside the narrative. I mean, you can look, but you won't find much.

It's all "conspiracy theory" in the MSM, and then 8 months later (when they can no longer weasel out of it), it's not. A lot of this simply doesn't add up... or feel right.

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RogerDuMond
20 hours ago, Dutch said:

All I am saying is, as of right now, you have to be very careful with what information you do and don't trust,

Simple solution, don't trust any, because it is way to soon to know.

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Israel and UK Vaccine Data

https://goldtadise.com/?p=502747

Covid Vaccine failure

https://principia-scientific.com/signs-of-covid-injection-failure-mount/

The FDA says you should not use Ivermectin to treat Covid.

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

But ivermectin works great against covid and a whole bunch of other virus too, including dengue.

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/topical-ivermectin-anyone/article_43889d84-efe4-11eb-96ca-57832f997ba1.html

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22417684/

https://c19ivermectin.com/

https://covid19criticalcare.com/

Ivermectin has been around for 40 years billions of doses worldwide and does not kill anybody nor microclot their guts.

The FLCCC talks about how they are being censored. They have to post on odeysee now because youtube pulls down their videos. Linkedin deplatformed them as well.

https://odysee.com/@FrontlineCovid19CriticalCareAlliance:c/FLCCC-WEEKLYUPDATE-072121:f?lid=3871ec51c705d2477d8c74958be9fb58ada5725a

Fish sandwich is right, something is not right.

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For those that may be interested, the FLCCC I-Mask invervectin protocol recipe.

https://www.ivermectin.africa/i-mask-protocol/

I am using the basic form of this protocol and will make adjustments now that I have the recipe.

Interesting info about the Zimbabwe SID protocol and the Math+ protocols there as well. In Zimbabwe they use colloidal silver, invermectin and Doxycycline. I've got a big bottle of colloidal silver in the cabinet! Another arrow in the quiver.

There are other things that kill virus, like iodine. Imagine that, simple plain old iodine is a magic bullet for covid too. 

https://c19pvpi.com/

No virus can survive iodine and no virus can become immune from it. Kills them all. I am using Lugols solution 5%. I also have povidone-iodine and decolorized iodine in the kit. I have made disinfectant sprays with it that work better than alcohol based hand sanitizers. 

Another arrow in the quiver against covid I use is a nebulizer. I nebulize a solution of saline ( made for inhalation therapy), food grade 3% hydrogen peroxide and iodine (Lugols). Been a couple months now. A great way to disinfect mouth, sinus, lungs, kills all virus and nasty bugs. I may never get another respiratory infection ever again in my life. I have noticed my chronic gums disease is totally gone and my gut works again finally the way it is supposed to. Come to find out the gum disease was screwing up my guts. Swallowing the toxins from gum disease messes with the bowels and affects other organs, like the heart. My doctor prescribed a probiotic Floragen for my gut problem which did not work. But the nebulizer treatment did! No more walking around with chronic infection in nasal passages, lungs or mouth and I can cut a clean poop normally again.

https://www.spiritofchange.org/nebulized-peroxide-a-simple-remedy-for-covid-19/

https://riordanclinic.org/nebulized-peroxide/

https://www.georgekramermd.com/hydrogenperoxide/

Bunches more links out there just do a search.

All this is just information, not medical advice. You should do your own research.

In summary there is just soooooo much stuff that works against covid that does not kill or maim like the gene therapy serums being pushed as "vaccines". The question is why are these treatments being suppressed and blocked? People are dying because of this suppression and blocking.

 

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Opps! Forgot a link to nebulizing hydrogen peroxide and lugols. here is one, do a search to find others.

https://pancham.health/nebulizing-with-hydrogen-peroxide-lugols-iodine-for-covid-coronavirus-and-flu/

Another one:

https://drbastomski.com/nebulized-peroxide/

One more!

https://ozonewithoutborders.ngo/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Novel-Approach-to-Covid-19.pdf

 

 

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So far, this about sums up the situation IMHO:

●”If I get vaccinated can I stop wearing a mask(s)?”
Government: “NO”
●”If I get vaccinated will the restaurants, bars, schools, fitness clubs, hair salons, etc. reopen and will people be able to get back to work like normal? 
Government: “NO”
●”If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?”
Government: “Maybe. We don’t know exactly, but probably not.” 
●”If I get vaccinated, at least I won’t be contagious to others – right?”
Government: “NO. the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission.” 
●”If I get vaccinated, how long will the vaccine last?”
Government: “No one knows. All Covid “vaccines” are still in the experimental stage.”
● “If I get vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?”
Government: “NO”
● “If my parents, grandparents and myself all get vaccinated can we hug each other again?”
Government: “NO”
● “So what’s the benefit of getting vaccinated?” 
Government: “Hoping that the virus won’t kill you.”
●”Are you sure the vaccine won’t injure or  kill me?” 
Government: “NO”
●”If statistically the virus won’t kill me (99.7% survival rate), why should I get vaccinated?”
Government: “To protect others.”
●”So if I get vaccinated, I can protect 100% of people I come in contact with?” 
Government: “NO”
● “If I experience a severe adverse reaction, long-term effects (still unknown) or die from the vaccine will I (or my family) be compensated from the vaccine manufacture or the Government?” 
Government: “NO – the government and vaccine manufacturer’s have 100% zero liability regarding this experimental drug”
So to summarize, the Covid19 “vaccine”…
Does not provide immunity
Does not eliminate the virus
Does not prevent death
Does not guarantee you won’t get it
Does not stop you from passing it on to others
Does not eliminate the need for travel bans
Does not eliminate the need for business closures
Does not eliminate the need for lockdowns!!!

 

And the icing on the cake is they tell you not to take safe and effective early treatments proven to stop covid in it's tracks that would save countless lives. 

Boggles my mind. 

 

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Dafey

I self medicate with aspirin when I have a headache....think I'll rely on my physician for this one guys.

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A closer look at the recent cluster of COVID-19 cases linked to July celebrations on Cape Cod is shedding light on the risks the Delta variant poses to fully vaccinated people. Provincetown’s town manager has said there are almost 900 cases associated with the cluster. A new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released Friday zeroed in on the 469 Massachusetts residents involved with the outbreak and made recommendations on how jurisdictions can curb the effects of highly transmissible variants.

Here is what the CDC found:

Most cases involved fully vaccinated people with symptoms

About 74 percent of the cases studied involved fully vaccinated individuals. Of that group, only 4 people (1.2 percent of the total caseload), ages 20 to 70, were hospitalized. Two of them had underlying medical conditions.

About 79 percent of people infected said they had symptoms, which included a cough, headache, sore throat, and fever. No one died.

This doesn’t mean the vaccines aren’t effective against new variants. Friday’s CDC report added that the more people who get vaccinated, the more likely vaccinated people will represent the portion of positive cases.

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/07/31/metro/closer-look-cape-cod-covid-19-cluster-data/

If Delta is more contagious and more deadly, some of those 26% unvaxxed should have died.... or been severely incapacitated. No? Maybe they are all just lucky.

They also didn't tell us the vax status of the very few people (four, out of hundreds) that went to the hospital.

Anyone know where these pharma companies come up with their effectiveness rate for their vaccines? 74% infected doesn't really sound like 90+% effective.

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The CDC report concluded that the investigation into the Provincetown outbreak shows that jurisdictions should consider expanding safety protocols against the virus, including mandating masks in indoor settings, regardless of vaccination status.

Nobody dead, nobody severely injured, vaccines are totally effective, yet more authoritarian measures are necessary. Totally sound logic. :scratch_head:

The following is another piece of interesting info. Common sense, yet, not easy (or cheap) to test for variants. So, do all these people really have Delta? At best, I'm guessing they did sampling. Maybe Delta is more deadly and these people simply didn't have it? We know the PCR tests can't detect it (or whether it's even the flu or not... or whether it's a sheep, vegetable or can of coke, if you turn the detection mechanism up high enough).

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I still don't understand the coralation between a drug (Ivermectin) that I gave to my dog in Australia to treat and reduce the severity of HEARTWORM,,, and a virus COVIDE 19. And I also don't understand why if Ivermectin does work why are countries (pick what one you like) are financially going broke if this simple remedy  "Ivermectin"work's...I guess over the years drugs HAVE been found to have a"cross over effect" ,In other words a new benefit for an old drug. Surely by now some entity or institution has the balls to stand up and say Hey,,, this works,, or are these drug companies just too powerful and are capable of pressurising the pro Ivermectin crowd. Anyway my dog didn't like it anyway .......

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