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mikewright
1 minute ago, RogerDuMond said:

You are leaving out part of my statement. That one percent that wouldn't make it are the people that I said should get the vaccine because they are old and/or in poor health. No where did I say that no one should get the vaccine.

Sorry, missed that part. If you are saying that all people who could die from covid should get vaccinated, then I agree with you 100%.

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mikewright
1 hour ago, cookie47 said:

Agree,, BUT that has been THE EXACTLY THE SAME for years with "us"? older age group with the FLU. I've never availed the flue shot even though it's free to my age group in Australia ,not for any particular reason just never got around to it.Also with the FLU shot the brew changes yearly (or seasonal).So for us older people the situation hasn't really changed ,BUT after all they don't lock you up every senior every flue season....(OR make you wear a mask).

For 20 or more  years always had the flu shot while working, never had a sniffle. First year of retirement missed the vaccination, it hit me like a Bondi tram. Bed-ridden for three days, would have stayed longer if wife hadn't called time. Flu shot every year since, not a sniffle again. Agree that the plural of anecdote is not data, so not comparing experience here.

 

1 hour ago, cookie47 said:

And agree with Mike,Maybe I did/do have unrealistic expectations with the vaccine but what has got me is even as after being fully vacinnated there is still no light at the end of the tunnel.Am I unrealistic ...Others will judge...

Hang in there mate, unrealistic expectations doing pretty well at the moment!

Might be unrealistic, but I still hope to be able to get back to Cebu by early 2022, if Oz restrictions relaxed. If only to collect my winning bet from @lamoeat circa1900, one of the best restaurants in Cebu :biggrin_01:.

 

 

 

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cookie47
23 minutes ago, mikewright said:

but I still hope to be able to get back to Cebu by early 2022, if Oz restrictions relaxed

Well make sure you give me a hoy when your here. as I'm certainly not going in your direction very soon.....In the midst of a 13a....😊 Oops off topic...😱

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SkyMan
2 hours ago, Davaoeno said:

Don't think we didn't notice your feeble attempt to include drop bears in your list Cobber- we all known that while injuries from drop bears can be horrendous they are seldom fatal! 

What if the drop bear has the D variant? 

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RogerDuMond
1 hour ago, mikewright said:

For 20 or more  years always had the flu shot while working, never had a sniffle. First year of retirement missed the vaccination, it hit me like a Bondi tram. Bed-ridden for three days, would have stayed longer if wife hadn't called time. Flu shot every year since, not a sniffle again. Agree that the plural of anecdote is not data, so not comparing experience here.

Everybody's experience is different. In 76 years I have had the flu one time.  That was 1965 when as a Navy recruit, I  was mandated to take the flu vaccine.

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mikewright
4 minutes ago, RogerDuMond said:

Everybody's experience is different. In 76 years I have had the flu one time.  That was 1965 when as a Navy recruit, I  was mandated to take the flu vaccine.

Exactly. As I said, the plural of anecdote is not data, so not comparing experience here.

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davedude

There was a question about HCQ and variants. I cant help specifically but there may be answers out there. Some analysis on early treatment studies here:

https://c19early.com/

HCQ specific here:

https://c19hcq.com/

What I see is that treatments other than vaccines are being blocked and suppressed. Sad. Bias against early treatments is real and efforts are being made to discredit them.

 

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So much pain and suffering due to the covid jabs.

https://www.c19vaxreactions.com/

Most all of this suffering could have been avoided by early treatments/prophylaxis.

But early treatment/prophylaxis is being actively blocked and suppressed despite the carnage caused by the covid jabs.

A vaccine mandate is not the correct path.

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Dutch
1 hour ago, davedude said:

So much pain and suffering due to the covid jabs.

https://www.c19vaxreactions.com/

Most all of this suffering could have been avoided by early treatments/prophylaxis.

But early treatment/prophylaxis is being actively blocked and suppressed despite the carnage caused by the covid jabs.

A vaccine mandate is not the correct path.

Anecdotal from unverified and anonymous sources, be very weary with what you read about the vaccines, seeing as it somehow became a political issue in the US, you literally can't trust anything anymore.
This site could very well be setup by some Russian/Chinese troll farm.

If vaccines suddenly starts making healthy individuals sick, it would not be in any European nations' interest to hide it.
You would hear verified and reliable sources from Europe, they already did over 600 million(!) jabs.

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Kahuna
27 minutes ago, Dutch said:

Anecdotal from unverified and anonymous sources

Normally a link is provided so a member can show where they are coming from.  Posts have been hidden for this very same reason.  Perhaps you can show a link so we all can follow as davedude provided in his.

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Dutch
9 minutes ago, Kahuna said:

Normally a link is provided so a member can show where their coming from.  Posts have been hidden for this very same reason.  Perhaps you can show a link so we all can follow as davedude provided. 

I am simply commenting on the link that davedude provided?
But okay, here are the anecdotal stories from unverified and anonymous sources: https://www.c19vaxreactions.com/real-testimonials.html

To further debunk this website and these sources, the website was registered on may 21, 2021 and first appeared on may 24, 2021.
When the site went live, it already had a bunch of "user submitted" stories as seen here using web archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20210524200929/https://www.c19vaxreactions.com/

On top of that, there are stories (like J.B. - California) that were supposedly submitted prior to the website (and the anonymous LLC linked to it) even existing?

All I am saying is, when it comes to these stories that are heavily politicized, there is a lot of propaganda and misinformation going on, for this I hope that what I just showed just proves that this is one of those lousy attempts.

 

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8 minutes ago, Dutch said:

I am simply commenting on the link that davedude provided?
But okay, here are the anecdotal stories from unverified and anonymous sources: https://www.c19vaxreactions.com/real-testimonials.html

To further debunk this website and these sources, the website was registered on may 21, 2021 and first appeared on may 24, 2021.
When the site went live, it already had a bunch of "user submitted" stories as seen here using web archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20210524200929/https://www.c19vaxreactions.com/

On top of that, there are stories (like J.B. - California) that were supposedly submitted prior to the website (and the anonymous LLC linked to it) even existing?

All I am saying is, when it comes to these stories that are heavily politicized, there is a lot of propaganda and misinformation going on, for this I hope that what I just showed just proves that this is one of those lousy attempts.

 

Is this more "propaganda"?  [youl have to follow the link since it won't open here]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Bq40ncnQQm5W/?fbclid=IwAR13g2TIdAPSpL968se6YPux3BwvU_nEs1KPURY8yQx0ZgB2Ee53tzNihgM

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Kahuna
2 minutes ago, Dutch said:

A holistic pediatrician... sorry but do I really need to say more?

Yes...watch the video and it might explain his approach as to why he utilizes "holistic" 

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4 minutes ago, Kahuna said:

Yes...watch the video and it might explain his approach as to why he utilizes "holistic" 

This guy has been anti vax for years, fighting against measles vaccines (and more) before covid even was a thing (https://www.insider.com/anti-vaccine-doctors-medical-license-free-speech-2019-5).
Very dangerous misinformation, given how many lives are saved with vaccines.

The result of the stuff this guy preaches: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/brooklyn-measles-outbreak-how-glossy-booklet-spread-anti-vaccine-messages-n993596

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