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rfm010
15 hours ago, Davaoeno said:

It seems that my refusal to accept Sinovac turned out to be the right one

Which one did you get?

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From an on line Senior's website which I'm a Member  https://www.yourlifechoices.com.au/health/covid19/glasses-cut-covid-infections-study? This although not conclusive I found interesting as

Yep, 39% effective against actually getting the Delta variant or showing symptoms. The same study also found the Pfizer vaccine is 88% effective in preventing hospitalisation and 91% effective in

You act like this is something new...  Talk about what's going on anywhere you like as long as you leave politics out of it. There are thousands of posts on the pandemic that have managed to

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7 hours ago, rfm010 said:

Which one did you get?

Pfizer 

2nd shot due in a week. Hopefully there is some more Pfizer available 

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Soupeod
9 hours ago, SkyMan said:

Link didn't work for me.

Working ok now.

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12 hours ago, Semper paratus said:

VA is listening to your questions about the COVID-19 vaccine and this blog series answers your questions. Want to ask a question? Leave your comment below.

I’ve heard about a new “Delta variant” of the virus that causes COVID-19. Is it dangerous?

The Delta variant is a mutation of the virus that causes COVID-19. This variant spreads more easily and more quickly than others. It already has had a severe impact in other countries, such as India. Over the past month, the Delta variant has rapidly spread and expanded in the U.S. It could soon become the dominant virus strain.

The good news is that the COVID-19 vaccines currently in use in the U.S. offer good protection against the COVID-19 variants we know most about. COVID-19 vaccines have shown excellent effectiveness in preventing hospitalizations and death. This includes the Delta strain.

The Delta variant most severely impacts those people not fully vaccinated against COVID-19. This includes people who only received the first dose of a two-dose COVID-19 vaccine series, such as Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna.

How can I protect myself against the Delta variant?

You can best protect yourself against the Delta variant by becoming fully vaccinated against COVID-19.

Experts at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are continuing to study the Delta variant. They have concluded that COVID-19 vaccines offer good protection against COVID-19 variants.

Those who receive two-dose vaccines will be fully vaccinated two weeks after they receive their second dose. Two-dose vaccines include the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines. Those who receive single-dose vaccines like Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen vaccine will be fully vaccinated two weeks after their dose.

VA will provide the second doses to employees, Veterans or anyone who qualifies under the Save Lives Act–such as spouses and caregivers– no matter where they received their first dose, if that is more convenient.

Will other variants like the Delta variant continue to spread in the future?

Viruses such as the Delta variant continue to mutate and spread as long as they have the ability to do so. The most effective means of slowing and stopping the spread of these variants is vaccination. When a large percentage of a community is fully vaccinated against COVID-19, the virus will not be able to spread within it. This will also serve to decrease the development of new variants. Fully vaccinated people protect both themselves and their community against COVID-19 and similar variants.

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An article about vaccine recognition..

I knew this would happen......

Noni had the Sinopharm vaccine. She says people like her should be exempt from restriction

July 1, 2021 — 10.42pm

London: The World Health Organisation has called on governments exempting their vaccinated citizens from pandemic restrictions to grant the same allowances to people who have received any WHO-approved jab.

It would mean a country like Australia, which has approved only Pfizer and AstraZeneca for use, would have to recognise China’s two approved vaccines. The Chinese vaccines have been given to Australians living in other countries, but are less effective than others also approved by the WHO.

The World Health Organisation has called on countries to accept travellers who have received WHO-approved vaccines.

The WHO has approved AstraZeneca, Pfizer, Janssen, Moderna, Sinopharm and Sinovac vaccines for emergency use. It said all the vaccines it had approved for use and distribution through its COVAX scheme, of which Australia is a participant, should be recognised to prevent creating two classes of fully vaccinated people.

“Such moves are already undermining confidence in life-saving vaccines that have already been shown to be safe and effective, affecting uptake of vaccines and potentially putting billions of people at risk,” the Geneva-based UN body said in a statement.

“At a time when the world is trying to resume trade, commerce and travel, this is counter-effective, both in spirit and outcome.

“Any measure that only allows people protected by a subset of WHO-approved vaccines to benefit from the reopening of travel into that region would effectively create a two-tier system, further widening the global vaccine divide and exacerbating the inequities we have already seen in the distribution of COVID-19 vaccines.”

Australia facing 'very serious crisis' amid vaccine controversy

Australia is facing a "very serious crisis" after access to the AstraZeneca vaccine was expanded to people aged under 40 sparking a political divide.

A spokeswoman for Health Minister Greg Hunt said no decisions had been made about which vaccines Australia would recognise.

“However the government will continue to follow the expert health advice and the Therapeutic Goods Administration will continue to oversee the approval, regulation and mutual recognition of vaccinations,” she said.

Noni Edwards, who is originally from Sydney, was vaccinated with China’s Sinopharm product in January in the UAE where she lives and works as a newsreader.

Noni Edwards from Sydney took the Sinopharm vaccine in Dubai, where she lives and works as a newsreader.

She said those who did the right thing and took vaccines when offered should be rewarded and not punished by being excluded from exemptions such as eventual home or reduced quarantine for international arrivals.

“ I don’t see it as discriminatory as much as plain stupidity,” she said.

“Vaccination is more effective than non-vaccination, if my body recognises the vaccine to the point of developing antibodies then that means vaccination is a success.

“Immunity is the key issue at stake here, not brand of vaccine and if Australia wants to set some kind of bar on acceptable immunity levels for quarantine-free arrivals, they need to ask for antibody tests, not vaccine brand names.

“The Australian government needs to focus on vaccinating its own population before judging the vaccine policy decisions of other highly vaccinated countries.”

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has suggested Australians who are fully vaccinated should be exempt from interstate border closures, but this has been rejected by several premiers.

Some countries have begun loosening rules for those fully vaccinated, including quarantine-free travel in Canada and Europe, providing proof of vaccination can be demonstrated......

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I can see it coming at immigration Counter.

Passport Sir, Oh have you  had "our "vaccine

Oh, now roll up your sleeve....

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/noni-had-the-sinopharm-vaccine-she-says-people-like-her-should-be-exempt-from-restrictions-20210701-p5863s.html

Full article here if someone wants to edit to full post.

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Numerous posts have been hidden because they quoted or referred to posts that were hidden because they were political or controversial.

Two members have been given a week vacation from the forum for repeated controversial/political posts on the open forums. 

Take it to the CR if you want to posts such responses. There are threads there for just such posts. 

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On 7/1/2021 at 8:26 PM, cookie47 said:

An article about vaccine recognition..

I knew this would happen......

Noni had the Sinopharm vaccine. She says people like her should be exempt from restriction

July 1, 2021 — 10.42pm

London: The World Health Organisation has called on governments exempting their vaccinated citizens from pandemic restrictions to grant the same allowances to people who have received any WHO-approved jab.

It would mean a country like Australia, which has approved only Pfizer and AstraZeneca for use, would have to recognise China’s two approved vaccines. The Chinese vaccines have been given to Australians living in other countries, but are less effective than others also approved by the WHO.

The World Health Organisation has called on countries to accept travellers who have received WHO-approved vaccines.

The WHO has approved AstraZeneca, Pfizer, Janssen, Moderna, Sinopharm and Sinovac vaccines for emergency use. It said all the vaccines it had approved for use and distribution through its COVAX scheme, of which Australia is a participant, should be recognised to prevent creating two classes of fully vaccinated people.

“Such moves are already undermining confidence in life-saving vaccines that have already been shown to be safe and effective, affecting uptake of vaccines and potentially putting billions of people at risk,” the Geneva-based UN body said in a statement.

“At a time when the world is trying to resume trade, commerce and travel, this is counter-effective, both in spirit and outcome.

“Any measure that only allows people protected by a subset of WHO-approved vaccines to benefit from the reopening of travel into that region would effectively create a two-tier system, further widening the global vaccine divide and exacerbating the inequities we have already seen in the distribution of COVID-19 vaccines.”

Australia facing 'very serious crisis' amid vaccine controversy

Australia is facing a "very serious crisis" after access to the AstraZeneca vaccine was expanded to people aged under 40 sparking a political divide.

A spokeswoman for Health Minister Greg Hunt said no decisions had been made about which vaccines Australia would recognise.

“However the government will continue to follow the expert health advice and the Therapeutic Goods Administration will continue to oversee the approval, regulation and mutual recognition of vaccinations,” she said.

Noni Edwards, who is originally from Sydney, was vaccinated with China’s Sinopharm product in January in the UAE where she lives and works as a newsreader.

Noni Edwards from Sydney took the Sinopharm vaccine in Dubai, where she lives and works as a newsreader.

She said those who did the right thing and took vaccines when offered should be rewarded and not punished by being excluded from exemptions such as eventual home or reduced quarantine for international arrivals.

“ I don’t see it as discriminatory as much as plain stupidity,” she said.

“Vaccination is more effective than non-vaccination, if my body recognises the vaccine to the point of developing antibodies then that means vaccination is a success.

“Immunity is the key issue at stake here, not brand of vaccine and if Australia wants to set some kind of bar on acceptable immunity levels for quarantine-free arrivals, they need to ask for antibody tests, not vaccine brand names.

“The Australian government needs to focus on vaccinating its own population before judging the vaccine policy decisions of other highly vaccinated countries.”

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has suggested Australians who are fully vaccinated should be exempt from interstate border closures, but this has been rejected by several premiers.

Some countries have begun loosening rules for those fully vaccinated, including quarantine-free travel in Canada and Europe, providing proof of vaccination can be demonstrated......

______________________________________

I can see it coming at immigration Counter.

Passport Sir, Oh have you  had "our "vaccine

Oh, now roll up your sleeve....

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/noni-had-the-sinopharm-vaccine-she-says-people-like-her-should-be-exempt-from-restrictions-20210701-p5863s.html

Full article here if someone wants to edit to full post.

I don't have a problem with the WHO making recommendations although I would prefer if those were based on some accurate science. But I don't agree with them getting into various country's business. If they don't want to accept a certain vaccine it's up to them.

 

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Soupeod

Australia man ties bedsheets together to escape 4th floor hotel quarantine - police

http://news.trust.org/item/20210720074525-vvju0/

Tuesday, 20 July 2021 08:58 GMT

SYDNEY, July 20 (Reuters) - A man in the Australian city of Perth escaped mandatory quarantine in a hotel by scaling down a rope made of tied together bedsheets from a fourth-floor window, police said on Tuesday.

After arriving in the West Coast city on an interstate flight from Brisbane, the man had his application for entry refused under the state's tough border entry rules intended to stop the virus entering from elsewhere in the country.

The man was told to leave the state within 48 hours and taken to a hotel for temporary quarantine, but just before 1:00 a.m. on Tuesday (17:00 GMT on Monday) "he climbed out a window of the fourth floor room using a rope made of bed sheets and fled the area", Western Australia Police said in a Facebook post.

They also posted photos the makeshift rope hanging from a window on the brick building's top floor down to the street.

Police arrested the man across town about 8 hours later, and charged him with failing to comply with a direction and providing "false/misleading information". They did not disclose the man's identity except to say that he was aged 39 and tested negative to the virus, nor did they give a reason for his alleged actions.

Australia has recorded far fewer coronavirus cases and deaths than many other developed countries partly because it closed national and internal borders and imposed mandatory hotel quarantine for anyone arriving from abroad or - during outbreaks - another state.

The policy has however brought with it a series of escapes, including a woman accused this month of climbing down two balconies and kicking in a door to evade quarantine in north-east regional hub of Cairns.

(Reporting by Byron Kaye Editing by Raissa Kasolowsky)

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Soupeod

Phizer 39% effective versus Delta variant.

 

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There seems to be more variants of the Covid-19 than Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta and Lambda.

The latter part of the article I copied using the Windows screencopy tool, to keep the structure of the article. Hopefully it's still readable, just click on the pictures to enlarge them.

 

https://www.who.int/en/activities/tracking-SARS-CoV-2-variants/

 

Tracking SARS-CoV-2 variants

 

All viruses, including SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, change over time. Most changes have little to no impact on the virus’ properties. However, some changes may affect the virus’s properties, such as how easily it spreads, the associated disease severity, or the performance of vaccines, therapeutic medicines, diagnostic tools, or other public health and social measures. 

WHO, in collaboration with partners, expert networks, national authorities, institutions and researchers have been monitoring and assessing the evolution of SARS-CoV-2 since January 2020. During late 2020, the emergence of variants that posed an increased risk to global public health prompted the characterisation of specific Variants of Interest (VOIs) and Variants of Concern (VOCs), in order to prioritise global monitoring and research, and ultimately to inform the ongoing response to the COVID-19 pandemic.  

WHO and its international networks of experts are monitoring changes to the virus so that if significant amino acid substitutions are identified, we can inform countries and the public about any changes that may be needed to respond to the variant, and prevent its spread. Globally, systems have been established and are being strengthened to detect “signals” of potential VOIs or VOCs and assess these based on the risk posed to global public health. National authorities may choose to designate other variants of local interest/concern. 

Reducing transmission through established and proven disease control methodsmeasures, as well as avoiding introductions into animal populations, are crucial aspects of the global strategy to reduce the occurrence of mutations that have negative public health implications.

Current strategies and measures recommended by WHO continue to work against virus variants identified since the start of the pandemic. Evidence from multiple countries with extensive transmission of VOCs has indicated that public health and social measures (PHSM), including infection prevention and control (IPC) measures, have been effective in reducing COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths. National and local authorities are encouraged to continue strengthening existing PHSM and IPC measures. Authorities are also encouraged to strengthen surveillance and sequencing capacities and apply a systematic approach to provide a representative indication of the extent of transmission of SARS-CoV-2 variants based on the local context, and to detect unusual epidemiological events.

 

Naming SARS-CoV-2 variants

The established nomenclature systems for naming and tracking SARS-CoV-2 genetic lineages by GISAID, Nextstrain and Pango are currently and will remain in use by scientists and in scientific research. To assist with public discussions of variants, WHO convened a group of scientists from the WHO Virus Evolution Working Group, the WHO COVID-19 reference laboratory network, representatives from GISAID, Nextstrain, Pango and additional experts in virological, microbial nomenclature and communication from several countries and agencies to consider easy-to-pronounce and non-stigmatising labels for VOI and VOC. At the present time, this expert group convened by WHO has recommended using letters of the Greek Alphabet, i.e., Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta which will be easier and more practical to discussed by non-scientific audiences. 

 

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On 7/23/2021 at 11:16 PM, Soupeod said:

Phizer 39% effective versus Delta variant.

Yep, 39% effective against actually getting the Delta variant or showing symptoms.

The same study also found the Pfizer vaccine is 88% effective in preventing hospitalisation and 91% effective in preventing serious illness caused by the Delta variant after two doses.

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Pfizer Shot Just 39% Effective Against Delta Infection, But Largely Prevents Severe Illness, Israel Study Suggests

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91%. That’s how effective the Pfizer vaccine is at preventing serious illness and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant after two doses, according to the Israeli study. This is only slightly lower than against other variants. As this is the primary purpose of a vaccine, it is still highly successful, though it does mean it will likely not be sufficient to stop outbreaks on its own.   

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On 7/23/2021 at 6:16 AM, Soupeod said:

Phizer 39% effective versus Delta variant.

It's important to understand what that means. The risk of death is greatly reduced, the risk of getting a bit sick is reduced less. 

21 hours ago, mikewright said:

Yep, 39% effective against actually getting the Delta variant or showing symptoms.

The same study also found the Pfizer vaccine is 88% effective in preventing hospitalisation and 91% effective in preventing serious illness caused by the Delta variant after two doses.

Quoted for truth. 

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On 7/27/2021 at 12:23 PM, DeedleNuts said:

It's important to understand what that means. The risk of death is greatly reduced, the risk of getting a bit sick is reduced less. 

CDC will release data on Indian Delta variant that led to mask U-turn.

(Basically they are saying you can transmit the delta variant regardless of immunizations given. So everyone wear a mask regardless even if you already received vaccinations.) 

https://mol.im/a/9842039
I couldn’t copy and paste the article.

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