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President Duterte finally orders end of VFA with United States


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2 hours ago, Jawny said:

Perhaps I’m missing something, but how does the VFA impact enforcement of laws?

By misreading lamoe's post. " Social Responsibility points", got it.

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..and jihadist muslims.

One less obligation for the US military and taxpayer.  

in what I gather from President Duterte's seeming lack of concern with China's buildup on islands previously controlled by the Philippines, he doesn't regard those contested waters as seriously as the

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4 hours ago, wondersailor said:

No country, that I know of, vigorously enforced all it's laws. It's a question of degree. In the part of the US I lived, violent crimes (or potentially violent) are enforced. Traffic laws are enforced because local governments make a good deal of money from them. Infact any crime that they can make money on, they are on it (especially seizure laws). Property crimes, not much at all unless the police trips over the criminal. It's all politics and money. But it would be nice to see a little enforcement in the Philippines.

Giving the natives the opportunity to anomalously rat out their neighbors, relatives, enemies should be a load of fun - not sure how it would impact foreigners.

The social responsibility points added or deducted translate not into crimes (usually) but perks for being an outstanding or punishment for being a poor citizen.

"The Social Credit System -  is a national reputation system being developed by the Chinese government. ... By 2018, some restrictions had been placed on citizens which state-owned media described as the first step toward creating a nationwide social credit system."


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14 hours ago, lamoe said:

Bye bye Karaoke, ignoring traffic rules, butting in line, even being impolite getting into elevator:dance2:

Oh yeah, plz enforce :shocked:

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Duterte: PH must be able to defend itself


The Philippines has “no business being a republic” if it cannot stand on its own feet, President Rodrigo Duterte said.

That means the country could become a territory of the United States or a province of China, following Manila’s termination of its Visiting Forces Agreement (VFA) with Washington, the President continued.

“If we can’t do it, we have no business being a republic. You might as well choose. We can be a territory of the Americans or we can be a province of China,” he said.

The President recalled asking the Armed Forces of the Philippines whether the Philippines could survive without the VFA.

“My question to the Armed Forces: can we survive without the Americans? Can we fight the wars?,” Duterte said. “And the military and police said, ‘Sir, we can.’”

Palace spokesman Salvador Panelo earlier said the Philippines must stop being a “parasite” to other countries in terms of defense after its move to abrogate the VFA.

The Philippine government recently notified the US that it wants to terminate the military pact that allows American troops to train Filipino soldiers in the country.

The VFA termination came after Duterte blasted what he said were inequities in the treaty provisions, as well as a string of US actions that supposedly disrespected the country’s sovereignty and justice system.

US President Donald Trump has downplayed Duterte’s notice of termination of the VFA, saying he did not mind such a move and it would actually save the US “a lot of money.”

Duterte earlier claimed that Trump was trying to save the military accord between the two countries, but he rebuffed such attempt.

The VFA’s scrapping, which was signed in February 1998, will take effect 180 days following the receipt of formal notice sent by the Philippines to the US.




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