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46 minutes ago, Davaoeno said:

Freeing yourself from your  would be owner  always comes at a price !! 

If the price is gaining an even harsher owner is it worth it?

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..and jihadist muslims.

One less obligation for the US military and taxpayer.  

in what I gather from President Duterte's seeming lack of concern with China's buildup on islands previously controlled by the Philippines, he doesn't regard those contested waters as seriously as the

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President Duterte may also terminate EDCA

President Rodrigo Duterte may also abrogate the Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement with the United States, his spokesperson said Thursday.

Palace spokesperson Salvador Panelo issued the statement two days after the Philippines officially notified the US government of its intention to end the Visiting Forces Agreement (VFA), which governs the conduct of visiting US personnel holding military exercises in the Philippines.

“The way his body language says, mukhang ayaw niya na rin niyan. Kasi considering na sinasabi niya na it’s about time to stand on our own, strengthen our resources, our capabilities of defending our country,” Panelo said in a radio interview.

“We can’t be relying forever. We cannot be a parasite to every country na ang gusto natin tumulong sa atin.”

Signed in 2014, the EDCA allows the US to build structures; store as well as preposition weapons, defense supplies and materiel; and station troops, civilian personnel and defense contractors, transit and station vehicles, vessels, and aircraft for a period of 10 years.

EDCA was borne out of then-US President Barack Obama's strategic pivot to Asia, which called for the deployment of majority of US warships and troops to the world's most dynamic economic region.

Justice Secretary Menardo Guevarra said on Wednesday that the termination of the VFA would make the EDCA “practically useless” and the Mutual Defense Treaty a “hollow agreement.”

Panelo said Duterte does not want a renegotiation of the VFA.

“Hindi siya open. Hindi nga siya open na tayo ay pumasok sa mga military agreement sa ibang bansa eh,” he said.

https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/national/president-duterte-may-also-terminate-edca-—panelo/ar-BBZWNTS?ocid=spartandhp

 

 

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4 hours ago, Davaoeno said:

Freeing yourself from your  would be owner  always comes at a price !! 

China?

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in what I gather from President Duterte's seeming lack of concern with China's buildup on islands previously controlled by the Philippines, he doesn't regard those contested waters as seriously as the USA, so he logically has little concern for any increasing efforts in that region by China, or whether the VFA and joint military exercises might be a deterrent.  

This country certainly could not stand on it's own financially and develop it's own capable military, but that's not a big concern.  Duterte realizes the chances are slim any country would be interested in invading the Philippines, but if that unlikely situation should happen, Uncle Sam and other allies will come to the rescue anyways, VFA, mutual defense treaty or not.  

However none of these latest developments are going to be long-standing.  My guess is the USA isn't going to lose any sleep over this, as those military agreements can simply be reinstated and signed again once Duterte is out of office.   this is just a temporary annoyance and nothing more.  

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2 hours ago, jtmwatchbiz said:

in what I gather from President Duterte's seeming lack of concern with China's buildup on islands previously controlled by the Philippines, he doesn't regard those contested waters as seriously as the USA, so he logically has little concern for any increasing efforts in that region by China, or whether the VFA and joint military exercises might be a deterrent.  

This country certainly could not stand on it's own financially and develop it's own capable military, but that's not a big concern.  Duterte realizes the chances are slim any country would be interested in invading the Philippines, but if that unlikely situation should happen, Uncle Sam and other allies will come to the rescue anyways, VFA, mutual defense treaty or not.  

However none of these latest developments are going to be long-standing.  My guess is the USA isn't going to lose any sleep over this, as those military agreements can simply be reinstated and signed again once Duterte is out of office.   this is just a temporary annoyance and nothing more.  

Im not so sure that Trump will be rushing to re sign in the next 5 years.. He seemed to accept the news as a free gift!

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4 minutes ago, fred42 said:

Im not so sure that Trump will be rushing to re sign in the next 5 years.. He seemed to accept the news as a free gift!

And maybe he has learned the lesson that you can not protect anyone from their own worst enemy, themselves.

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I wonder how Filipinos are going to feel about the one child policy?

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wondersailor
4 minutes ago, SkyMan said:

I wonder how Filipinos are going to feel about the one child policy?

Not just that, all laws actually enforced.

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5 minutes ago, wondersailor said:

Not just that, all laws actually enforced.

And no more facebook.

People Power 2023 gets run over by a tank with a big red star on it.....

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That's ok, they lived under the Spanish, then the Americans, then the Japanese. They will survive the Chinese. The only difference is they will not have the USA to pull their asses out of the fire like they did with the Japanese. Wonder if they will ever figure out who sold them down the river?

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SENATE President Vicente Sotto 3rd and Senate Minority Leader Franklin Drilon are set to file a petition this week before the Supreme Court questioning the termination of the Visiting Forces Agreement (VFA) between the Philippines and the United States.

Drilon bared that he and Sotto would join other senators in filing a petition that will question the decision of President Rodrigo Duterte to terminate the VFA without the concurrence of the Senate.

“This will be a bipartisan move to assert the Senate’s role in foreign policy. While the President is the chief architect of our foreign policy, the Constitution is clear that such a very critical role is shared with Congress, particularly the Senate,” he said on Sunday.

Sotto on February 13 said the petition would be filed this week.

“Malamang by next week ay mag-file kami ng petition doon sa Supreme Court mismo (Probably by next week we will file a petition before the Supreme Court),” he said in a chance interview.

Asked whether he would support the filing of the petition, Sen. Panfilo Lacson, chairman of the Senate Committee on National Security and Defense, answered in the affirmative.

“Oo (Yes). For clarification,” he said.

“Mainam ma-clarify ‘yan para alam na namin ang way forward ‘pag may tratado na, ira-ratify namin. More or less mafo-foresee namin ang aming role ‘pag ito unilaterally in-abrogate ng ating bansa sa pamamagitan ng executive branch, sa pamamagitan ng Pangulo (It is best that this is clarified so that we will know our way forward if there is a treaty that we will ratify. More or less we will foresee our role if this will be abrogated unilaterally by our country through executive branch, [or] through our President),” Lacson bared in a radio interview.

On Saturday, Drilon said Sotto informed him that he had prepared the petition and asked him to be a co-author.

Malacañang on Tuesday, February 12, said the Philippines had officially informed the US that the country was terminating the agreement between the two countries.

Drilon said since the Constitution was silent on the termination of treaties and international agreement, it is only the Supreme Court that can rule with finality on the issue.

“The Supreme Court should rule on this issue once and for all. We cannot continue putting the fate of critical treaties such as the VFA, which termination has far-reaching consequences, in the hands of one man,” he added.

“It is our firm belief that if treaties and international agreements the President entered into cannot be valid without the approval of the Senate, the termination of, or withdrawal from, the same should only be effective with the concurrence of the Senate,” Drilon said.

Once ratified and concurred in by the Senate, a treaty or an international agreement becomes part of the law of the land. “Hence, a treaty may not be undone without that shared power that put it into effect,” he added.

Drilon reiterated his call for Sen. Aquilino Pimentel 3rd, chairman of the panel on Foreign Relations, to report out Senate Resolution 305, a measure that seeks to assert the role of the Senate in the termination or withdrawal of a treaty.

In 2018, Drilon and other senators filed a petition urging the Supreme Court to declare the Philippines’ withdrawal from the International Criminal Court (ICC) “invalid or ineffective.”

Drilon said once the high court ruled in favor of the ICC petition, the termination would be deemed invalid and the membership of the Philippines in the ICC would be restored.

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lamoe
20 hours ago, wondersailor said:

That's ok, they lived under the Spanish, then the Americans, then the Japanese. They will survive the Chinese. The only difference is they will not have the USA to pull their asses out of the fire like they did with the Japanese. Wonder if they will ever figure out who sold them down the river?

Wait until they get a load of the enforced "social responsibility point" system where your neighbor reports you for infractions.

Bye bye Karaoke, ignoring traffic rules, butting in line, even being impolite getting into elevator:dance2:

 

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3 hours ago, Dafey said:

 

 

It would be logical that if the Senate had to approve a treaty that they would have to vote on withdrawal of a treaty. But it is politics. Not sure Trump would be interested after receiving the withdrawal from D30.

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3 hours ago, lamoe said:

Wait until they get a load of the enforced "social responsibility point" system where your neighbor reports you for infractions.

Bye bye Karaoke, ignoring traffic rules, butting in line, even being impolite getting into elevator:dance2:

 

No country, that I know of, vigorously enforced all it's laws. It's a question of degree. In the part of the US I lived, violent crimes (or potentially violent) are enforced. Traffic laws are enforced because local governments make a good deal of money from them. Infact any crime that they can make money on, they are on it (especially seizure laws). Property crimes, not much at all unless the police trips over the criminal. It's all politics and money. But it would be nice to see a little enforcement in the Philippines.

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Perhaps I’m missing something, but how does the VFA impact enforcement of laws?

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