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Filipino Troops In The Golan Heights Praised For Their Bravery REACTION

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czarina uy 3 months ago

Hello Rodney..as what a have read from the other news this is what happened the UN Fijian camp was attack first. When the Syrian rebels bombarded their camp with mortars and canons what they did all of them hid to their bunkers. At the time they came out from the bunkers they were at the gunpoint by the rebels. They have no choice but to surrender. After what happened there, the Syrian rebels proceeded to the next camp where the Filipino soldiers were stationed, same thing happened canons and mortars but what the Filipino soldiers did they left some of their comrades outside to monitor the movement of the rebels. When they saw the rebels were advancing all of them came out of the bunkers and the war begins for 2 days and were ordered to surrender by the UN commanding general in exchange of the release of the Fijian soldiers but they refused to surrender. When the Filipino soldiers realized the Syrian rebels regrouped and became bigger in numbers they called their commanding officer in the Philippines that the next wave of the gunfight tomorrow they will be runned out of ammunition. That was why the Filipino commanding officer ordered them to escape.

 

 

 

 

 

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BossHog
17 minutes ago, lamoe said:

When the Filipino soldiers realized the Syrian rebels regrouped and became bigger in numbers they called their commanding officer in the Philippines that the next wave of the gunfight tomorrow they will be runned out of ammunition.

I believe the exact words were "Out of stock. sir!"

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Jawny

Isn’t this five years ago?  The video may be recent, but the fellow in the video is providing a barely coherent description. 

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MickyG

they deserted their post and left the other UN troops in the wind......nothing brave at all

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lamoe
2 hours ago, MickyG said:

they deserted their post and left the other UN troops in the wind......nothing brave at all

??? - they were  ORDERED to surrender by UN commander - refused - fought for 3 days then did an orderly retreat under fire.

Retreating, if possible,  in the face of overwhelming odds is the smart move

Chosin Reservoir -  they deserted post also?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chosin_Reservoir

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-crisis-peacekeepers-un-insight/how-u-n-troops-defied-orders-opened-fire-and-escaped-syrian-rebels-idUSKBN0H724T20140912

 

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Jawny

As an outcome of this episode, the Philippine Army was able to get a redesign of armored vehicles to use in situations where they may come under attack.  Pretty nice armor, suitable size for troops and a ten speed transmission.  Four speeds forward and six reverse.

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MickyG
13 hours ago, lamoe said:

??? - they were  ORDERED to surrender by UN commander - refused - fought for 3 days then did an orderly retreat under fire.

Retreating, if possible,  in the face of overwhelming odds is the smart move

Chosin Reservoir -  they deserted post also?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chosin_Reservoir

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-crisis-peacekeepers-un-insight/how-u-n-troops-defied-orders-opened-fire-and-escaped-syrian-rebels-idUSKBN0H724T20140912

 

Their commanding UN officer did not see any bravery in this act.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/donaldkirk/2014/09/08/philippine-un-peacekeepers-heroes-or-cowards-for-escaping-syrian-rebels/#5fa9cc27b7e7

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Paddy
31 minutes ago, MickyG said:

Their commanding UN officer did not see any bravery in this act.

Can’t say I see much bravery, initiative or leadership in the UN CO- based on the info I have read here....

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1 hour ago, MickyG said:

Their commanding UN officer did not see any bravery in this act.

The UN CO told them to surrender to the Syrians. Did he think that was a better option than pulling back and regrouping?

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Paddy

Having now done a little reading around this incident, I think the Philippines Army contingent acted correctly. There is an argument that they were unprofessional, in that they disobeyed orders, but I further think those orders were incorrect. 
 

The RoE everyone was under were wimpish (to say the least) - fault of the UN Security Council. The Force Commander was woefully unprepared for a changing tactical situation - poor intelligence assessment by his Staff - and he seemed to be more concerned about following the poor RoE than using his initiative to support and protect his men. I wouldn’t have wanted to serve under him. 
 

Who dares, wins. He dared nothing...

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MickyG

If every sub commander was to second guess his direct commander and then 5 years later engage a bunch of key board warriors to re invent history for a BB to decide it must be right

 

is just FANTASTIC

 

junior officers the world over will be dancing in the streets

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Paddy

You don’t think every general in history hasn’t been second guessed?

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MickyG

you do not think that direct disobeying of orders has not gone without a wild party and 5 years of reinventing history, whist discussing the price of eggs.

 

The source point of this discussion is in itself a give way......they were nit there not do they have access to those who made the decisions.yet some have labelled the commanding officer as unfit, just because they say so., 

 

why not ask those troops whose rear ends were hung in the breeze relying on the Philippines contingent if they would like to rinse and repeat any time

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Paddy

Ah you mean the Fijians. Well, they shouldn’t have agreed to be there under such crappy RoE. Neither, really, should the Philippines contingent - especially after “things” changed. 
 

There is a saying - in the British Army at least - “never give an order you know will not be obeyed”. I wouldn’t be giving anyone in that Philippines contingent a medal, but neither will I condemn them for their actions. 
 

You can either rate the commander as a victim of circumstance or a poor leader. You know my view on it. 

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It appears like the Philippine army generals and the Philippine President were thrilled with the decision the Philippine on-site commander made. In reality, that is the only critique that matters. This is a UN force we are talking about. It was a UN force commander who disagreed with the Philippine on-site commander's decision. Do you really think that UN commanders actually have any authority? They are there to support and supply the various contingents in the area. If they aren't doing that, then there is no reason to even have them there. If the Philippine contingent was running out of ammo, then the UN commander was failing in his assignment. Every commander has to make decisions that affect the safety of his men. If the on-site commander makes a decision (even if he has received differing orders from up the chain), then his decision should (in most cases) be supported. Only the on-site commander has enough knowledge of the situation to make the best decision. We lost the Vietnam War because we had upper-uppers making decisions that were out of touch with reality on the ground and too often crippled our on-site commanders' ability to use their own initiative to make on-the-spot decisions.

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lamoe
On 1/21/2020 at 3:01 PM, MickyG said:

If every sub commander was to second guess his direct commander and then 5 years later engage a bunch of key board warriors to re invent history for a BB to decide it must be right

 

is just FANTASTIC

 

junior officers the world over will be dancing in the streets

 

On 1/21/2020 at 3:11 PM, MickyG said:

you do not think that direct disobeying of orders has not gone without a wild party and 5 years of reinventing history, whist discussing the price of eggs.

 

The source point of this discussion is in itself a give way......they were nit there not do they have access to those who made the decisions.yet some have labelled the commanding officer as unfit, just because they say so., 

 

why not ask those troops whose rear ends were hung in the breeze relying on the Philippines contingent if they would like to rinse and repeat any time

It's been done in every war

2 prime considerations for the pointy end people

Are the ROEs realistic? "don't shoot unless fired upon first - even if you see armed men in front of you" That is from personnel experience - wanna bet it wasn't obeyed.

Is the person giving the orders concerned more about his men or himself?  Think WWI and how the men was considered simply cannon fodder by the generals

Another time orders were disobeyed - "Retreat hell - we just got here" - Capt. Lloyd W. Williams,

As Williams lay wounded on the battlefield, he told the medics who approached him. “Don’t bother with me. Take care of my good men.”

 

 

Those troops had already surrendered

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