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fred42
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This is the tough one.. DENR waste water dispatch permit.
Nightmare doesn`t even begin to describe the difficulties acquiring one!

http://mimaropa.emb.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/DP-Requirements.pdf

DENR Calabarzon to require discharge permits under Clean Water Act
https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1035951

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jojogumabew

Do you need alcohol license also?

My landlord went to bayan to check. Asking him to be the one to get permits for compensation

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Jawny
42 minutes ago, jojogumabew said:

Do you need alcohol license also?

My landlord went to bayan to check. Asking him to be the one to get permits for compensation

Perhaps the local municipal offices would be a good first place to go.  Just a guess on my part, but all the permits you’ve been referred to would almost certainly be listed as part of the business license. To get the BL, you’ll have a lot of hoops to jump through.  Fire inspection, health inspection, building inspection, possibly (likely) an accountant, a s well as possible DENR approvals and the like.   The workers will be required to have medical exam and of course the various entitlements such as Phil health, PAG-IBIG, SSS.  

I've been through this for a bakery and it can be time consuming and frustrating.  

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Davaoeno
1 hour ago, jojogumabew said:

My landlord went to bayan to check. Asking him to be the one to get permits

Just to clarify - you are asking the person you are renting from to tell you what permits you need to stay in business ???      Knowing that if you do not have the correct permits your business might very well be forced to close - leaving the owner with a newly renovated premises ????

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BossHog
45 minutes ago, Jawny said:

Fire inspection, health inspection, building inspection, possibly (likely) an accountant, a s well as possible DENR approvals and the like.   The workers will be required to have medical exam and of course the various entitlements such as Phil health, PAG-IBIG, SSS.

Good list. BIR is also important as this one is taken seriously. You'll need to attend a seminar and have a printer make up receipt books.

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jojogumabew
4 minutes ago, Davaoeno said:

Just to clarify - you are asking the person you are renting from to tell you what permits you need to stay in business ???      Knowing that if you do not have the correct permits your business might very well be forced to close - leaving the owner with a newly renovated premises ????

in order to get his future palace, i have to build it, so he has to help me get the permits. for now we have similar goals. but as we operate prob good to have own relationships.

 

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to_dave007
14 hours ago, Davaoeno said:

Just to clarify - you are asking the person you are renting from to tell you what permits you need to stay in business ???      Knowing that if you do not have the correct permits your business might very well be forced to close - leaving the owner with a newly renovated premises ????

agree with your sentiments 100%.  

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jojogumabew
7 hours ago, to_dave007 said:

agree with your sentiments 100%.  

ok will take over process at some point

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Jawny
26 minutes ago, jojogumabew said:

ok will take over process at some point

I admire your enthusiasm for this project.  It sounds like a dream come true.  However, as the saying goes, "the devil is in the details". 

Several members have offered some suggestions, notably that you need to have control over issues that will likely effect you directly.

I know there has been a lot of attention to individual permits needed for the project.....DENR, liquor sales etc.  But I caution you again, the basic need for a business license is critical.

The bakery I started used the business license in the name of my BIL.  That is how it remains today.  However, that was an attempt to keep my foreign sounding family name out of the view of agencies  For several years no issues with the various agencies and the BIR.  Then one day, unexpectedly, a BIR person appeared and did a semi casual sort of "inspection"  Not clear what was going on, but she said it was an "audit" and each business was expected to get one every couple of years.  We knew that to be horse crap, since as she did her very casual walk through, she completely disregarded the unlicensed businesses in full view in the Barangay.  Pretty clear there had been some sort of snitch.

Bakeries are competitive, and we think we know the source of the snitching.  Even so, it became troublesome, with the risk of the business being shut down.  The "audit" was a joke, escorting for the ₽70,000 fine at the end.  With the promise of further reviews next year and so on.  During the "audit" the BIR rep rambled on about "gossip" about how the bakery operated ("You sell a lot of white bread at Christmas, right?")  It was also a totally incompetent audit, since there was no real effort to pin down the number of delivery guys we have, a couple of dozen.  That alone would reveal much about the success.

I'm rambling on a bit to get you to realize that the business can suddenly be under a lot of stress, all because of a jealous competitor or neighbor.  

We were lucky, since the audit just ate into our profits.  Other businesses in nearby cities are simply shut down until the back taxes are reconciled.  BIR shows up, business closed.

 

For the record, this has nothing to do with trust.  My BIL is completely trustworthy but had no control over the process  

Your landlord may be trustworthy, but do what a lot of people do here.......ask forgiveness rather than permission.  Sometimes the forgiveness has a price tag, and in your case, I suspect you’d be the one to pay.

Good luck

 

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cookie47

Have to agree with Oztony regarding not being present. 

Whilst I'm not criticizing the people who will run the establishment when you decide to take a holiday (or whatever).. It is fraught with danger. 

We've invested in (some years ago) a Sarisari store, and an Internet Cafe both run by the "family". However as we were not living in the Philippines full time "at that point" one cannot have any control. I know the generic answer to the question is "oh, it's my sister, or whoever, nothing will happen.. Nah,, After all if the business goes bust its not their money (although in your case you could sub lease as has been pointed out). Sounds harsh but true,, We were always being asked (in Australia), more stock required, etc. I used to say to my wife,, is this a Sari sari store or a charity. I admire your enthusiasm (reading the posts) and wish I still had some of it and do wish you all the best.. And note I'm not Philippine bashing, just pointing out real issues.. I note by the threads you have had a business in PH before and what I've written may be old news but I'll post it anyway... 

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jojogumabew

Thanks Jawny, David & all. Appreciate the advice. 

As far as family - I've seen shocking behavior from my side and inlaws.  I personally know friends/relatives who've sued their siblings/parents or threatened to sue, put their mom on allowance, steal money, stiff people on agreed cost sharing, never pay borrowed money, while living the high life.  

On starting and running a business, it's really hard. In previous businesses, accountants, managers have stolen money - not small amounts, problems w BIR who come back every year asking for more, managers who get a cut from the salaries of everyone under them, etc, kickbacks, permit problems, lawsuits.

As long as we survive, most problems can be fixed. Anyway spoke yesterday to my friend's GM who runs a vegan resto in Siargao and two in makati. Helpful but quite a lot of work ahead.  

https://www.atlanta.ph/products/duraroof®

Would anyone have experience w PVC roofs? Am thinking of using vs GI, also for walls. It's about P600 per sqm uninstalled but quieter than GI. 0.6mm GI is probably a little cheaper.

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It is the same story everywhere ... NOT just the Philippines. If you don't mind the store, you lose the store. If you think that somebody else (who is not invested in the venture) will have your best interests in mind all the time, you will be sorely disappointed. They will waste money and take shortcuts that will hurt you in the long run. It doesn't matter whether it is construction or running the business on a daily basis. If you can't be there when it is happening, don't do it until you can be there. A delay in starting will be far less costly than assuming that somebody else will do it for you and do it right. 

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shadow

Lets work our way back somewhere in the vicinity of the topic, please.

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jojogumabew

Yes PVC roof anyone?

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SkyMan
12 minutes ago, jojogumabew said:

Yes PVC roof anyone?

No experience but plastics don't do very well in the sun.  If noise is the reason, foam insulation under the GI helps.

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