Jump to content
rfm010

Shenanigans in the West Philippine Sea

Recommended Posts

rfm010

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-01/beijing-orders-200-ships-spratly-islands-provoking-panic-manila

Beijing Orders 200 Ships To Spratly Islands, Provoking Panic In Manila

What appears to be Beijing's latest military flex in the South China Sea - the contested collection of shoals and reefs that plays a crucial role in global trade and also contains vast untapped gas reserves - has reportedly set off "alarm bells" in Manila, just as the Philippines and the US were preparing to begin a round of military drills. According to Bloomberg, Philippines personnel have lodged a complaint with a joint Chinese-Flippino commission created to resolve disputes in the region, after authorities counted a mass of 200 Chinese shipsaround the Thitu, the second-largest island in the Spratly Islands.

With a trade deal still in limbo, military tensions in the South China Sea have intensified as the US Navy has stepped up the pace of its "freedom of navigation" operations, while Beijing has stepped up its threatening rhetoric toward Taiwan and carried out more military drills.

A Philippines official said the ships appeared to be part of China's sea militia. Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte’s spokesman Salvador Panelo said he would meet China’s ambassador and ask for an explanation for the bolstered presence, after the Philippine Foreign Affairs Department lodged its protest with the committee.

Philippine soldiers will continue their patrols in the disputed area, military chief General Benjamin Madrigal Jr. told reporters separately, adding that Chinese fishing vessels have repeatedly been spotted near the island. He urged a panel with representatives from both nations tasked with resolving South China Sea disputes to address Chinese presence in the area.

"This is a concern not only for the military, but for other agencies as well, including the Coast Guard. We are looking for ways to address this," Madrigal told reporters on the sidelines of opening ceremonies for annual joint military drills between the Philippines and the U.S.

Before Duterte came to power and opted for warmer ties with Beijing, Manila won a case in the ICC validating its claim to sovereignty over most of the South China Sea. However, Beijing has ignored this ruling (and faced zero repercussions for doing so).

However, the ships massing around Thitu (which is known by Pagasa in the Philippines) wasn't China's only provocation. Taiwan accused Beijing of sending Navy ships across the median line of the Taiwan Strait, violating a long-held tacit agreement.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
battleborn

This situation is not going to just " go away".

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Dafey

 

Quote

 

There are ‘limits’ to fishing in West PHL Sea

China's Ambassador to the Philippines Zhao Jianhua on Monday said that there are "limits" to fishing activities in the West Philippine Sea following reports of the Chinese Coast Guard harassing Filipino fishermen in Scarborough (Panatag) Shoal.

Zhao said that Philippine authorities have already denied reports of supposed harassment against Filipino fishermen in the area as claimed in the documentary released recently by the camp of senatorial candidate Neri Colmenares. 

"I think we are concerned about the livelihood of fishermen from both sides. And if they think they can fish in the areas where they can catch fish, they can go," the ambassador told reporters ahead of his courtesy call on presidential spokesperson Salvador Panelo in Malacañang.

He said there were concerns from both sides on "how far they can go and to what extent they can go near to the islands and reefs that we have people there."

"There are certain kinds of limits that I think both sides are observing," he said.

"For example, Chinese fishing vessels getting too close to the Zhongye Island [Pag-Asa Island], there might be some concerns on your side, but if fishermen getting too close to the islands that we have people, there might be concerns. But in general, fishing can go on as usual."

Zhao's comment came two days after the Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources (BFAR) advised Filipino fishermen to avoid Scarborough Shoal for now amid the maritime dispute between Manila and Beijing.

Presidential spokesperson Salvador Panelo on Monday said they will ask for a clarification from BFAR. He added the fishermen can still go to the shoal.

"Kung dati naman nilang ginagawa iyon at wala naman nag-i-istorbo sa kanila eh," Panelo said.

In July 2016, the United Nations-backed Permanent Court of Arbitration delivered a sweeping victory to the Philippines on the case it filed against China during the term of then-President Benigno Aquino III, declaring as illegal China's claim over nearly the entire South China Sea.

It also declared that Beijing violated the rights of Filipinos, who were blocked by Chinese Coast Guard from fishing in Scarborough Shoal, a traditional fishing ground, off Zambales. The shoal is within the Philippines' 200-nautical mile exclusive economic zone.

China refused to recognize the ruling, while President Rodrigo Duterte promised to raise the issue with Beijing at a still-unspecified time during his term, which ends in June 2022.

 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/world/china-envoys-reminder-there-are-limits-to-fishing-in-west-phl-sea/ar-BBVtYcI?ocid=spartandhp

Share this post


Link to post
liquido

Has the Philippines established any kind of military presence in the Spratly's at all? Detachment of marines,naval base or even a runway....etc

Share this post


Link to post
TimL
Posted (edited)

Not much that they can do really, have you seen the size of their military. They would have to rely on a much bigger power to dig out of this.

https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.asp?form=form&country1=philippines&country2=china&Submit=COMPARE

https://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=philippines

Edited by TimL

Share this post


Link to post
TequilaSunset

The USA could have helped, but since he hates us Sons of Bitches, I guess he can figure it out for himself

  • Like 2
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
cogon88

Here is the whole story of how this mess all started

In April 2012, Chinese civilian-government and fishing vessels went to their fishermen’s succor at Scarborough Shoal (Panatag Shoal) when the Philippine Coast Guard and Bureau of Aquatic Resources accosted them for alleged illegal fishing. Aquino ordered to the shoal the Navy’s biggest warship, acquired only a year earlier, the BRP Gregorio del Pilar, to board the fishermen’s vessels to take them in.

That was a big boo-boo. China pounced on Aquino’s blunder by loudly protesting that the Philippines had “militarized” the dispute, and that ‘Philippine warships’ were detaining its helpless fishermen. 

he Chinese and Filipinos vessels were then locked in a stand-off that lasted for about six weeks from late April to May 2012, with each party aware that whoever blinks, or withdraws from the shoal, will lose it — forever, as it were.”

No Help from the USA so the Philippines turned tail 

 Aquino’s June 8, 2012 meeting with Obama to beg for US intervention. The dour-faced Obama probably thought: ‘What part of ‘No’ doesn’t he understand’?

Here is the whole story 

https://www.manilatimes.net/us-will-defend-ph-in-a-south-china-sea-war-dont-bet-on-it/520365/

  • Thanks 3

Share this post


Link to post
KID

Duterte----jetski-------flag------????????

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
battleborn
16 hours ago, TequilaSunset said:

The USA could have helped, but since he hates us Sons of Bitches, I guess he can figure it out for himself

The Philippine military seems to be more concerned about this situation than the administration.

We will just have to wait and see how this plays out.  Could be an interesting year.

Share this post


Link to post
shadow

"China just wants to be friends..."

Quote

 

President Rodrigo Duterte on Tuesday spoke anew about his policy of deepening ties with China, which drew criticism amid the Philippines' maritime dispute with the Asian powerhouse in the South China Sea.

Duterte said China only wanted to have a good relationship with the Philippines.

"You know Red China or China ang komunista just wants to be friends with us. Binigyan nga tayo ng baril, binigyan rin ng bala pumunta ako doon because America failed to deliver what we ordered," he said at the PDP-Laban campaign rally in Malabon City, referring to the United States' decision in 2016 to halt the planned sale of 26,000 rifles to the Philippines over human rights concerns on the war on drugs.

He said China has never asked for anything in exchange for its military assistance.

Duterte also said he did not make a campaign promise of improving the country's infrastructure because he was not sure if China would support him.

"I never mentioned itong Build, Build, Build because I was not sure if China would deal with me when I become president. It was only when that I went there and talked to them pati sa Russia, at ang Amerikano naman ay nagdududa," he said.

Since he assumed the presidency in June 2016, Duterte has made friendly overtures to China and even confessed his “love” for Chinese President Xi Jinping during a press conference before leaving for China to attend the Boao Forum for Asia in April last year.

Xi later embarked on a historic state visit to the Philippines in November, which resulted in the signing of 29 agreements including the memorandum of understanding on cooperation on oil and gas development in the South China Sea. 

Duterte’s decision to temporarily set aside the country's arbitration victory on the maritime dispute has led to a marked improvement in Manila’s economic and diplomatic relations with Beijing, but angered critics that accused him of kowtowing to China. — BAP, GMA News

 

https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/news/nation/690079/duterte-china-wants-to-be-a-friend-of-phl/story/?utm_source=GMANews&utm_medium=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2NNA07pVwjcPjgNqh3-Vbc3UzEGje3n-gIyFZAI6YaYL7_ArOP1GNs6eY

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
TimL

China is no ones friend. China only cares about China. 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
noddle
11 minutes ago, TimL said:

China is no ones friend. China only cares about China. 

Doesn't every country put them-self first ?,  and everyone else second..  ?

Share this post


Link to post
battleborn
1 hour ago, noddle said:

Doesn't every country put them-self first ?,  and everyone else second..  ?

Noddle, welcome to the Philippines.

Share this post


Link to post
TimL
3 hours ago, noddle said:

Doesn't every country put them-self first ?,  and everyone else second..  ?

Yes, they do. What they don't do is claim to own the water around you, start building islands and bases around you, essentially keep your own people out of those areas, etc. and seizing your ports and infrastructure because you are unable to pay back a loan. Just saying....

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Commercial Banner Advertisers

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use, Privacy Policy and Guidelines. We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue..