'Don't judge scam victims - catch the unscrupulous scumbags who swindled them'

[oztony 36,116]

 Scam being run out of Manila , appears to be operated by Americans .....

https://www.9now.com.au/60-minutes/2019/episode-1

https://www.9now.com.au/60-minutes/2019/clip-cjroshzcb002g0ho50p2gxdcg

[colemanlee 21,437]

Tony, that link is only available in OZ

[oztony 36,116]

2 hours ago, colemanlee said:

Tony, that link is only available in OZ

Try this link ...there is part one and then scroll down to get part 2 , some shyster yanks operating out of Manila and specialising in ripping off Aussie retiree's by the look of it.....

https://www.9news.com.au/2019/02/03/22/45/60-minutes-scams-liam-bartlett-don-t-judge-the-victims

[liquido 1,563]

With minutes to spare before the police vans pulled out of the intelligence division compound, he gathered a couple of dozen men around him and announced that if any of them were reported for stealing during the raid, they would be fired immediately.

And further, with a quiet menace, he told them that if he saw any of the officers so much as touch the wallets of the scammers when they applied the handcuffs, he would “kill them himself”.

"The Untouchables" would have been glad to have done the raid..

[oztony 36,116]

My elderly mother fell victim to a very similar type operation last year and lost 150k , these type of people are as low as it gets mainly preying on the elderly , it baffles me how little it is reported considering the scale of these types of rip offs , have spoken to two different bank managers and they say that this really is quite common and mainly with retiree's.

[M.C.A. 600]

The two men handcuffed in the photo don't seem to be worried almost seems like a joke to the bald guy.

[oztony 36,116]

16 minutes ago, M.C.A. said:

The two men handcuffed in the photo don't seem to be worried almost seems like a joke to the bald guy.

In the video one of the arrested guys barked at the reporter " they lost their money because they were stupid" and I thought a bit harsh ......but true ...

Wonder what the penalty is ...Brits and Americans caught in Manila in a rented office ripping off Australian retiree's 

[SkyMan 23,722]

27 minutes ago, oztony said:

In the video one of the arrested guys barked at the reporter " they lost their money because they were stupid" and I thought a bit harsh ......but true ...

I wouldn't say stupid.  Too trusting though.  And too innocent of the ways of the crime world/interwebs.  A lot of today's elderly didn't grow up with computers and didn't have to deal them.  And they don't see the dangers.  When you drive around, even in an unfamiliar area it's easy enough to figure out the safer areas and those not so safe.  On the internet it's all right there and you've brought it into your house.  Someone sends you a very official looking email with Citicard logos and disclaimers, etc. saying there's a fraud alert on your Citi card and click here to contact the security department immediately.  "Oh my, my account is in danger.  I don't want to be responsible for fraudulent charges. I better check right away."  It looks official so you click and go to a website that looks exactly like the Citi site you always use and you log in.  The site asks you to verify your account wanting your acct# and security code to prove the card wasn't stolen.  Then it keeps you busy a while answering questions while your balance is being run up with charges or cash advances.

[M.C.A. 600]

2 hours ago, oztony said:

In the video one of the arrested guys barked at the reporter " they lost their money because they were stupid" and I thought a bit harsh ......but true ...

Wonder what the penalty is ...Brits and Americans caught in Manila in a rented office ripping off Australian retiree's 

Found a link that shows these guys could get from 10 -12  years but it certain circumstance as high as 30 years.  https://prisonprofessors.com/prison-sentence-wire-fraud/

[oztony 36,116]

8 hours ago, M.C.A. said:

Found a link that shows these guys could get from 10 -12  years but it certain circumstance as high as 30 years.  https://prisonprofessors.com/prison-sentence-wire-fraud/

As they are in the Philippines maybe this one applies....

Section 1. Any person or persons who shall commit estafa or other forms of swindling as defined in Article 315 and 316 of the Revised Penal Code, as amended, shall be punished by life imprisonment to death if the swindling (estafa) is committed by a syndicate consisting of five or more persons formed with the intention of carrying out the unlawful or illegal act, transaction, enterprise or scheme, and the defraudation results in the misappropriation of money contributed by stockholders, or members of rural banks, cooperative, "samahang nayon(s)", or farmers association, or of funds solicited by corporations/associations from the general public.

http://www.chanrobles.com/presidentialdecrees/presidentialdecreeno1689.html#.XFik0FwzaUk

[M.C.A. 600]

Oztony,  I wonder since the victims are from either Australia or the US if each individual extradited to his home country to be tried, I don't think the Philippines would want to house these guys for life but I could be wrong and it would be somewhat fitting and what a wake up call if given life in a Philippine jail for life the smirk would be taken off the bald guys face.

Edited February 4, 2019 by M.C.A.

[oztony 36,116]

4 minutes ago, M.C.A. said:

, I don't think the Philippines would want to house these guys for life

Thats what I was also thinking , a bit of a burden for the Philippines ...in Australia where they fleeced 100's of millions of dollars they would probably get sentenced to 10 years and be out in 6 years....

Keeping in mind smartasses like this would have already squirrelled their ill gotten gains away into untouchable overseas bank accounts ...

[Davaoeno 37,509]

2 minutes ago, oztony said:

Thats what I was also thinking , a bit of a burden for the Philippines ...in Australia where they fleeced 100's of millions of dollars they would probably get sentenced to 10 years and be out in 6 years....

Keeping in mind smartasses like this would have already squirrelled their ill gotten gains away into untouchable overseas bank accounts ...

Judges usually have the discretion to reduce sentences if reimbursement has been made  [ or partial ] .

[oztony 36,116]

1 minute ago, Davaoeno said:

Judges usually have the discretion to reduce sentences if reimbursement has been made 

Well any money they have in Philippine bank accounts should be frozen ...so any defence lawyer money would need to come from an outside source ....which would probably come from where their ill gotten gains were sent to ... the old saying ...follow the money.....

[smokey 21,914]

Oh the perfect world.     And all i dream of is traffic laws.are enforced