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American Non LINC Member in Negros - Assistance for his widow

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Irenicus

I knew George. When he first came to the Philippines, he actually brought a Route 66 necklace from his souvenir truck stop to give to my girlfriend.

A good man.

RIP.

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savarity
No that's by knowledge and experience!
Well, it only sounded that way due to the lack of any detail in the answer.

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Jawny

If the body has been released, it may be possible to have a death certificate from another doctor. When I bought some property owned by a group of siblings, the parents had been long deceased. In order for them to prove they had inherited the property, a death certificate was needed.  They had a local doctor determine cause of death (from 20 years earlier.....congestive heart failure). The certificate was obtained and the transaction continued.

As far as having some USA embassy staff support, that is not at all likely. It may be that other nationalities have more hands-on support from consular staff.  Not so with the USA. The US citizens service office will provide a list of attorneys. They will also provide ten copies of a consular report of death.  There may be assistance providing notification to various federal agencies such as the Veterans administration and such. 

There are many Filipinos with the mistaken belief that a pensioner receiving an SSA annuity will have a survivor benefit for the family.  In many cases, no SSA benefits will be provided. Hence, a death certificate may be of little use.  This is only speculation on my part.  

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bounder

Since I am temporarily able to access the forum, I will provide an update.  

We conferred with local Barangay Officials with no success.  They told me, he is a foreigner and the matter should be taken care of by the US Embassy.  The local mayor would not provide any assistance due to the fact he is a foreigner.  Today, the wife will assist the widow by going to the Catholic church to find out why he cannot be buried without a death certificate and then will visit with Kent's sister to see how much money there is to resolve this issue.   I do like the suggestion of a doctor producing a death certificate for the decedent and that may be an option.  

In the end, it will require a visit to the head of the medical center to get this resolved.  The family are squatters living at the bottom of a steep hill in a one room house in the middle of nowhere.  Kent was making improvements to the structure at the time of his illness.

I guess what troubles me is that he had warning signs of something wrong, but did nothing about them until it was too late.  He ended up in the hospital in November and was never released until his death (stage 4 colon cancer).  What bothers me the most was that they would not release him because he had debts with the hospital which increased incrementally the longer he stayed.  In the end, he could not afford pain medication and thus his last few weeks were pretty miserable.  In the last three weeks of his life, all Kent ever said was that he just wanted to return to his home (in Himamaylan City) to die.  

She will not get his SS benefits as she doesn't meet the requirements for survivor benefits  (they were only married for one year).

A lesson to be heeded.  If you have medical symptoms, don't ignore them and get checked out.  

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Jawny
12 hours ago, bounder said:

 

We conferred with local Barangay Officials with no success.  They told me, he is a foreigner and the matter should be taken care of by the US Embassy.  The local mayor would not provide any assistance due to the fact he is a foreigner.  Today, the wife will assist the widow by going to the Catholic church to find out why he cannot be buried without a death certificate and then will visit with Kent's sister to see how much money there is to resolve this issue.   I do like the suggestion of a doctor producing a death certificate for the decedent and that may be an option.  

In the end, it will require a visit to the head of the medical center to get this resolved.  The family are squatters living at the bottom of a steep hill in a one room house in the middle of nowhere.  Kent was making improvements to the structure at the time of his illness.

It was worth a try, but not surprised the local officials offer no assistance.  The embassy will not provide assistance and the locals just say that as a way of putting the monkey back on the back of the family  

Interesting to note that the assistance is not for the deceased foreigner  It is for the Filipino family (widow).  More correctly, the hospital is to benefit the most if assistance provided. That is, payment for services rendered. 

12 hours ago, bounder said:

She will not get his SS benefits as she doesn't meet the requirements for survivor benefits  (they were only married for one year).

 

Not clear why a death certificate is important for any "affairs" referred to.  The SSA benefits have to be stopped but that is done by informing the SSA at the embassy. If there was a direct deposit to a Filipino bank, as well that is to be stopped. 

Since I’ve lived here, I’ve never had a family member get a death certificate. Funeral services were paid for and delivered. Burial completed sans certificate. 

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RogerDuMond
13 hours ago, bounder said:

I do like the suggestion of a doctor producing a death certificate for the decedent and that may be an option.  

Section 6. Death certificate and register. – No human body shall be buried unless the proper death certificate has been presented and recorded in the office of the local civil registrar. The physician who attended the deceased or, in his default the health officer concerned, or in default of the latter, any member of the family of the deceased or any person having knowledge of the death, shall report the same to the local health authorities, who shall issue a death certificate and shall order the same to be recorded in the office of the local civil registrar. The death certificate, which shall be issued by the attending physician of the deceased or, in his default, by the proper health officer, shall contain the following data be furnished by the person reporting the death; (a) date and place of death; (b) full name, (c) age, (d) sex, (e) occupation or profession, (f) residence; (g) status as regards marriage, (h) nationality of the deceased, and (i) probable cause of death.

https://psa.gov.ph/civilregistration/civil-registration-laws/act-no-3753

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Bama

In my experience not having a death certificate can cause future problems.

When my wife's mom died her death certificate was never was picked up and the hospital where it was located got washed away by Yolanda. A few years later when her dad died not having  moms death certificate made dividing up family lands difficult.

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RogerDuMond

It also appears that the death should have been certified within 32 days to the PSA, so I would try getting a copy from the Philippine Statistics Authority.

The certificate is forwarded, within 48 hours after death, to the local

health officer who will review the certificate and affix his signature in the

“Reviewed By” portion and direct its registration at within 30 days.

Death Registration: Legal Mandates, Rules and Procedures

7

Who is Responsible in Reporting the Event and

Preparing the Certificate of Death/Certificate of

Fetal Death (COD/COFD)?

For Death that Occurred in the Hospital

When a death occurs, the physician who last attended the deceased

or the administrator of the hospital or clinic where the person died is

responsible to prepare the COD and certify as to the cause of death.

The certificate is forwarded, within 48 hours after death, to the local

health officer who will review the certificate and affix his signature in the

“Reviewed By” portion and direct its registration at within 30 days.

 

https://www.doh.gov.ph/sites/default/files/publications/MEDICAL_CERTIFICATION_OF_DEATH_0.pdf

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bounder

The final update on this topic.

The widow was able to get a temporary certificate of death from the local health office, but the civil registry would not record it.  However, with the temporary certificate of death Kent was entombed on Sunday, January 6.  It was a small group.  I was the only foreigner in attendance.  

The widow, Lyn, seems to want to move on and have not heard from her since the funeral.  Since she is not in a hurry to pursue the death certificate, I am not in a hurry to get it procured.  As for Social Security, the Embassy has been notified, but as far as I know, they won't act upon it until they are in receipt of a certificate of death.  

In a situation like this, sometimes it is better to walk away than to stick one's nose where it isn't wanted.  So, this will be the last update from me.  Oh yes, and thanks for all the input.  I really appreciated that as it has provided important and perhaps useful information for future reference.  

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savarity

Well, right because... in theory, depending on her level of access... maybe the widow would be better off without the certificate... id think of it as none of my business to butt in.

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