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American Non LINC Member in Negros - Assistance for his widow

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to_dave007

This comes to LINC by way of LINC Member Bounder..  who is unable to post himself just now.  Some issue with AdBlocker.

Kent, whom I did not know, was a friend of a LINC Member Bounder.. living in Negros, Philippines.  Was in Dumaguete or Valencia before, then moved towards Bacolod somewhere.  Kent passed away just before Christmas (cancer) 2018, and his wife can not pay the hospital bill, and so can not get his Death Certificate.. USA family (in Arizona) is trying to raise 180,000 peso to pay the hospital bill.  That's what this is about.. to get the hospital bill paid.. to get the death certificate.. so that Kent can be buried.. and so that his sister can close out his affairs in USA.

This is link to their GoFundMe campaign.

https://www.gofundme.com/help-for-my-brother-surgery?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fb_dn_cpgntopnavlarge_r&fbclid=IwAR1zkHJmlTsFgQPdqZk6QB2NaiwXOlvErZlseWm-FlD11xUMUmUi1to-s0E

This is Kent..  in case any of you know him..  Apparently he also went by name George..  no idea why.

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smokey

Was this guy on the forum months ago talking about maids/helpers

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Bama

Realizing of course that the hospital holds all the cards and fighting this battle from another country would be tough-----PI law suggests that what the hospital is doing in this case is illegal.Good luck.

https://www.manilatimes.net/hospitals-cant-detain-bodies-deceased-patients/329618/
 

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According to Republic Act (RA) No. 9439, or the Anti-Hospital Detention Law, it is unlawful for any hospital or medical clinic in the country to detain or to otherwise cause, directly or indirectly, the detention of patients who have fully or partially recovered or have been adequately attended to or who may have died, for reasons of non-payment in part or in full of hospital bills or medical expenses (Sec. 1, RA. 9439).

This law applies not only to alive and recovering patients, but also to the release of the cadaver of deceased patients to their relatives. According to the Implementing Rules and Regulations (IRR) of RA 9439 issued by the Department of Health:

“In the case of a deceased patient, any of his/ her surviving relatives who refuse to execute a promissory note shall be allowed to claim the cadaver and can demand the issuance of death certificate and other pertinent documents for interment purposes. Documents for other purposes shall be released only after execution of a promissory note.” (Rule V, A.3) Emphasis supplied

 

 

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shadow
19 minutes ago, Bama said:

Realizing of course that the hospital holds all the cards and fighting this battle from another country would be tough-----PI law suggests that what the hospital is doing in this case is illegal.Good luck.

https://www.manilatimes.net/hospitals-cant-detain-bodies-deceased-patients/329618/
 

 

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Provided, however, That patients who stayed in private rooms shall not be covered by this Act.

https://lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra2007/ra_9439_2007.html

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Davaoeno

GoFundme is asking for 300000. It seems the cost of funerals has increased

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Davaoeno
25 minutes ago, shadow said:

You do realize Larry that that statute says to get the patient or the body released you need a promissory note with a mortgage to cover it or someone elses  guarantee. In my experience that is what the hospitals insist on . The newspaper article previously quoted In this thread says you dont  need the promissory note but in reality you do

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3 minutes ago, Davaoeno said:

You do realize Larry that that statute says to get the patient or the body released you need a promissory note with a mortgage to cover it or someone elses  guarantee. In my experience that is what the hospitals insist on . The newspaper article previously quoted In this thread says you dont  need the promissory note but in reality you do

I do realize the Philippine law is mostly smoke and mirrors, although some were made with great intentions, there is always loopholes for the wealthy. 

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Bama
1 hour ago, Davaoeno said:

The newspaper article previously quoted In this thread says you dont  need the promissory note but in reality you do

Item #3 of IRR of RA 9439 suggests that a promissory note is NOT required for the release of the body. The reality can be quite different though.

   http://www.chanrobles.com/republicacts/republicactno9439irr.html#.XCdLPdIzavE

3. In the case of a deceased patient, any of his/ her surviving relatives who refuse to execute a promissory note shall be allowed to claim the cadaver and can demand the issuance of death certificate and other pertinent documents for interment purposes. Documents for other purposes shall be released only after execution of a promissory note.

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HTM

Can't the US Embassy help?

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Goetz1965

Shared it to 2 Facebook groups, hopefully someone there has contacts to Negros and can support them.

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shadow
13 minutes ago, HTM said:

Can't the US Embassy help?

The US embassy will be about as much use as tits on a boar.

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HTM
3 minutes ago, shadow said:

The US embassy will be about as much use as tits on a boar. 

Why in Hell do you all accept this?

 

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smokey

Help how we all know in the us you can get treated free if your broke and we still come here anyway.

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CardiacKid
7 minutes ago, Bama said:

What would your country's embassy do if you were caught growing marijuana in a nation with strict anti-drugs laws? What could they do?

Make a show of getting you an attorney. After that, you're on your own. They are not in the business of helping their citizens. They pretend to be diplomats.

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to_dave007
2 hours ago, Davaoeno said:

GoFundme is asking for 300000. It seems the cost of funerals has increased

I think the GoFundMe account was originally set up to help pay for Kent's treatment while he was still alive, but now that he has passed, it's just a matter of closing out the bill and getting the death certificate. The amount owed now is..  I understand..  180,000 peso.  But I admit I'm not close to this situation.

I chatted about this with Bounder for a while yesterday and we agreed that (so far) it seems unlikely that the full 180,000 will be raised.. and that the widow will need someone with a stiff backbone to take whatever cash there is available to the hospital with a "take it or leave it" proposition.  Can't get blood from a stone.  The man is dead.. and his widow is broke..  and his USA family may not be in much better shape.  The hospital HAS already been paid quite a bit already, so not clear how they will react.

Will need some trusted person in Bacolod.

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