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Copying in a FB post that made for good reading with some fun facts... Here's a link with a few pics as well:  

 

Paul Bacera

December 19 at 7:03 AM

Since the Philippines recently won Miss Universe we are once again in the international spotlight. Which means, once again, I've been getting the question "Are Filipinos Asian, Hispanic, or Pacific Islander?"

Short answer. Yes, Yes, and Yes. 

Long Answer?... Here we go.
(Warning - Extremely long text wall coming)

First, Are Filipinos Asian? Honestly I'm surprised that we still get this question. The Philippines have officially been listed as an Asian country since the beginning of time. There are 2 big reasons people cite for Filipinos not being Asian. Our connection to the west and our religion. Yes, the Philippines was Spanish and US occupied, and because of the Spanish occupation, the country is mostly Catholic. 

But I'll break this down geographically, ethnically, culturally and linguistically.

Geographically: We are 100 miles from Taiwan, you could literally swim from Itbayat to Orchid Island. We are also 400 miles from mainland China, in fact we are closer to China than Japan is. We are also more west than Indonesia, yet no one ever questions if Indonesia is an Asian country. 

Ethnically: The modern Filipinos you see today, like me and other Filipinos, are not how the original Indigenous Filipinos look like. I attached a picture that would closely represent the aboriginal Filipino. We are a result of thousands of generations of mixing, most notably Chinese, Spanish, and Indonesians. 

The most popular theory states that the first settlers of the Philippines came from Taiwan and China around 4000 BC. Meaning Filipinos and Chinese share the same ancestors. If you go back far enough most Filipinos can trace their lineage all the way back to China. And since sea migration became viable, the Philippines has always been a destination for Indonesian and Chinese migrants. 

Culturally: Much of the values Filipinos are taught are in line with most Asian countries and have many shared traditions. High respect for elders, thriftiness, we celebrate the same festivals, we even take our shoes off before going into a house. We have similar cuisines, we eat rice, egg rolls, rice desserts, plenty of noodle dishes, siopao, tofu, and everyone drinks boba.

Linguistically: Much of Tagalog is derived from Chinese Mandarin and Chinese Hokkien, which is a Southern Chinese language. For example tea is tsaa, in Mandarin it's chaa, soy sauce is toyo, in Hokkien it's tau-iu, key is susi, in Hokkien it's sosi.

So by pretty much by all accounts geographically, ethnically, culturally, and linguistically speaking, Filipinos are Asian. Anyone who says otherwise either just hates Filipinos and might just be racist. 

Are Filipinos Hispanic?

Hispanic "refers to the people, nations, and cultures that have a historical link to the Spanish language or the country of Spain. It commonly applies to countries once under colonial possession by the Spanish Empire."

The Philippines was occupied by Spain for a really really long time. Usually the first country you think of when you hear the word Hispanic is Mexico, but never the Philippines. Why is that?

Spain occupied Mexico from 1521 to 1821, exactly 300 hundred years. However on March 31, 1521, Ferdinand Magellan declared that the Philippines were now in possession of the King of Spain. On June 12, 1898, The Philippines issued their declaration of Independence from Spain. Thats 377 years. The Philippines were a Spanish occupied country longer than Mexico! If anything the Philippines are MORE hispanic than Mexico. I mean just look at our last names. Cruz, Perez, Lopez, Hernandez, Garcia, Martinez, Sanchez. You can’t get any more Hispanic than that. 

Ethnically: With 377 yrs of Spanish occupation, you can be sure there was a lot of Spanish/Filipino mixing and intermarrying. Whether by choice of the Filipino or not. Because of how inconsistent and unreliable Filipino records were in the 1600s, theres no accurate number of how many Filipinos have Spanish ancestry. But I have seen the number as high as 50% of Filipinos. 

Linguistically: Spanish has been an official language of the Philippines since 1565. Aside from Spanish itself, Tagalog has heavy Spanish influence. In fact, 40% of Tagalog words have Spanish origin and even use Spanish outright. Table = lamesa, fork = tinidor, spoon = kutsara, shoes = sapatos.

Yes, Filipinos are Hispanic.

Are Filipinos Pacific Islander? This one is tricky. If you want to just go by the definition that a Pacific Islander is just an inhabitant of an island in the Pacific, then yes Filipinos do live in an island in the Pacific. But if you want to go deeper, Pacific Islander usually refers to inhabitants of the islands of Micronesia, Melanesia, and Polynesia.

Filipinos have a strong connection with those groups. Geographically: Davao is in fact only 600 miles from Palau and was technically part of the Philippines in 1885. 

Ethnically: According to popular theory the first settlers of Micronesia actually came from The Philippines (image attached at bottom). And being only 600 miles away, continual migration is shared between The Philippines and Micronesia until today. Meaning modern Micronesians and Filipinos would have the same ancestors. In fact 50% of the inhabitants of the Northern Marianas, Guam, and Palau are ethnically Filipino, and even bigger percentage have some sort of Filipino ancestry. 

Filipinos have a similar connection to Polynesia. Popular theory states that the first settlers of Polynesia came from The Philippines and Taiwan (image attached at bottom). Meaning modern Polynesians and Filipinos would have the same ancestors.

Linguistically: The connection is also evident in the language. Mata means eyes in Tagalog. It is the same in Samoan, Tongan, and Tahitian. Sky is langit in Tagalog, lagi in Samoan. Chicken is manok in Tagalog and manu in Hawaiian. Numbers 1-10 are basically the same in Samoan and Cebuano. Actually all the Polynesian, Micronesian, and Filipino languages are all classified as Austronesian languages because of their shared similarities and origin. 

So are Filipinos Pacific Islanders? Well we are definitely very similar and have shared ancestry, but it depends on your definition and who you ask. As the definition specifically states people from Micronesia, Melanesia, and Polynesia, yes and no? I don’t know, you decide.

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Chris24

That is a good article.  The Philippines is an interesting cultural mix, a product of a unique history.

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hyaku

The ships captain were Spanish. They brought over Mexican crew. 

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jtmwatchbiz
18 hours ago, profits101 said:

Linguistically: The connection is also evident in the language. Mata means eyes in Tagalog. It is the same in Samoan, Tongan, and Tahitian. Sky is langit in Tagalog, lagi in Samoan. Chicken is manok in Tagalog and manu in Hawaiian. Numbers 1-10 are basically the same in Samoan and Cebuano. Actually all the Polynesian, Micronesian, and Filipino languages are all classified as Austronesian languages because of their shared similarities and origin. 

 

18 hours ago, profits101 said:

Linguistically: Much of Tagalog is derived from Chinese Mandarin and Chinese Hokkien,

interesting article but by trying to cover all the bases the author conflicts himself, which i suppose is understandable.   tagalog couldn't possibly be related to a chinese language as it most certainly is an austronesian language, same as some ancient hawaiian dialects.    

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RangerUp
On 12/23/2018 at 4:03 PM, profits101 said:

Ethnically: With 377 yrs of Spanish occupation, you can be sure there was a lot of Spanish/Filipino mixing

The only thing "you can be  sure of" is that DNA testing would prove this theory, and yet there is no DNA testing proving this theory. (There is a common "Mestizo Myth"  where every other Filipino claims to be "part Spanish" based on their surname, but not on genealogy or DNA testing.)

The genetic profile of Filipinos is mostly Southeast Asian with the remainder being Malay/Polynesian. Of course as OP stated there is the historical gene flow from China.

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badian

there is nothing particular about the appearance of Filipinos as opposed to any other kind of south east Asian at all. Never mind us, but even a Filipino can't tell a Filipino apart from a Thai if the Filipino is sitting silently on the mass transit in Bangkok. And the Thais were never colonised by any European country at all. As above, half of them seem to think that they are part Spanish. But the reality is the European input into the Filipino gene pool was miniscule. 

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On 12/24/2018 at 11:04 AM, jtmwatchbiz said:

interesting article but by trying to cover all the bases the author conflicts himself, which i suppose is understandable.   tagalog couldn't possibly be related to a chinese language as it most certainly is an austronesian language, same as some ancient hawaiian dialects.    

Ot? Even the hi-so litter their tagalog with English words, also whole sentences in English, then change to tagalog. Is this a language or some kind of pidgin, pinglish? In my ears sounds such a weird mix.

BTW Indonesian tsunami was caused by eruption of Anak Krakatau 'Son of Krakatau'. Anak is also son round here. 

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jtmwatchbiz
3 hours ago, RR3 said:

Ot? Even the hi-so litter their tagalog with English words, also whole sentences in English, then change to tagalog. Is this a language or some kind of pidgin, pinglish? In my ears sounds such a weird mix.

this is why some local news channels and interviews are so annoying to listen to.  my wife changes the channel as soon as that taglish nonsense starts.  

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On 12/23/2018 at 10:04 PM, jtmwatchbiz said:

 

interesting article but by trying to cover all the bases the author conflicts himself, which i suppose is understandable.   tagalog couldn't possibly be related to a chinese language as it most certainly is an austronesian language, same as some ancient hawaiian dialects.    

Yeah,  I don't buy into the 'using some words from another language proves a lineage' idea.  There are some french words in English,  unfortunately, but we're fortunately not french. 

 

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19 hours ago, SkyMan said:

Yeah,  I don't buy into the 'using some words from another language proves a lineage' idea.  There are some french words in English,  unfortunately, but we're fortunately not french. 

After the Norman Conquest of 1066, Anglo-Norman (old French) became the language of the elite in the UK.

For 300 years, Norman was the language the British elite used to distinguish itself from the population who spoke Old English, a Germanic language.

Back then, French was a clear way to say “I’m not like most people”.

That’s why you can find a huge amount of French words when you talk about luxury, food or boring things like the law.

About 80 percent of the entries in any English dictionary are borrowed, mainly from Latin. In the vocabulary of the sciences and technology, the figure rises to over 90 percent. 

English - a Germanic or Romanic language :cool:

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badian
On 12/25/2018 at 10:06 PM, SkyMan said:

Yeah,  I don't buy into the 'using some words from another language proves a lineage' idea.  There are some french words in English,  unfortunately, but we're fortunately not french. 

 

not very observant are you. All languages, not just Filipino ones, have a lot of English words, that have come in quite recently. 

you can be listening to a conversation of Arabs in Arabic, or Pakistanis in Urdu, and there will be some English words in there. English words that were not in those languages, 200 years ago.

it's anything modern. It's like <gibberish> telephone <gibberish> computer <gibberish> ice cream <gibberish> TV <gibberish> refridgerator

there is no words, for these modern things, in their own languages, so they just loan the English one. 

more languages have borrowed words from English than any other. The Arabs actually tried to introduce these invented words for new expressions, for words like telephone that they got alarmed, were creeping into their glorious ancient Arabic language. 

but nobody was buying it. The word used in Arabic for telephone, is not the ridiculous artificial 'Arabic sounding' word that they tried to introduce. It's still telephone. 

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Davaoeno

" Not very observant are you "   ???    

He didn't say that other languages don't contain English words- he said that that alone did not prove lineage .

Why all the attitude? 

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3 hours ago, badian said:

not very observant are you. All languages, not just Filipino ones, have a lot of English words, that have come in quite recently. 

you can be listening to a conversation of Arabs in Arabic, or Pakistanis in Urdu, and there will be some English words in there. English words that were not in those languages, 200 years ago.

it's anything modern. It's like <gibberish> telephone <gibberish> computer <gibberish> ice cream <gibberish> TV <gibberish> refridgerator

there is no words, for these modern things, in their own languages, so they just loan the English one. 

more languages have borrowed words from English than any other. The Arabs actually tried to introduce these invented words for new expressions, for words like telephone that they got alarmed, were creeping into their glorious ancient Arabic language. 

but nobody was buying it. The word used in Arabic for telephone, is not the ridiculous artificial 'Arabic sounding' word that they tried to introduce. It's still telephone. 

So you're saying then that all these people using English words are therefore English?  Not very literate are you.

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Salty Dog

Enough already.

Everyone seems to agree that languages borrow words from other languages, but that does not necessarily determine lineage...

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