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Yet Another Electric Topic, Three Phase

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philuk

So we purchased a house in Angeles, nothing special, just something for Nanay to rent out.

Now the guy I work for here in the UK ( also married to a filipina ) has registered a business in his sister in laws name for import and export.

next step early in the year i booked flights to spend a month with the family over Christmas, now he want to start a small manufacturing factory in our house, him paying the rent to Nanay and the family running and working in there

Long story short we have the permit, but one machine we wanted from yasui which is a single phase casting machine is no longer available. and we will need to go three phase.

my sister in law was told by meralco that we have to install all the electrics first and apply to Municipal Hall, they will inspect and then  issue a certifiacate to take back to meralco to ok three phase to be supplied to the house

Now my gaffers lawyer in Manila is telling him she will have to go to Meralco head office and have the block removed so we can have three phase, because it is residential we may not be able to have it.

Can any of you knowledgable persons on here tell me if it would be allowed in a residential property and the correct procedure to get it.

THanks Guys Phil

 

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oztony

If it is going to be that difficult why not just convert the existing single phase to 3 phase ....there are a couple of ways to do it...

Image result for single to 3 phase

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Woolf

There could also be a restriction on how much power that you are allowed to draw  in a residential area

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smokey

Well we have 3 phase but first we had to place a large deposit for the ewuipment which is 3 large cylinders.   Deposit was 150 000 peso

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philuk

Thanks Guys, the first option would not be of any use it could not produce enough amps in three phase, unless we went for a much bigger inverter, and then there is the running costs of running a motor all day just  to conver single to three phase.

as for a large deposit, would not be a problem Smokey, in the grand scheem of things 2,000 GBP, would not be out of the ballpark, we are in the prossess of ordering £85,000 worth of equipment from japan. Was it just a case of install the wiring, have it inspected and then apply to the electric company and after they inspect they supply the three phase,  or are there a $hit load of hoops to jumps through,

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Woolf

 

@philuk

Do you know that 3 phase in ph  is not 400v ??

it is 480

power_generation

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philuk

its niether 400 nor 440 Philippines is 380 V 60 htz,

110

220

380

as informed br meralco

here in the UK it 415vV 50 htz,

240

415

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cogon88

I do not Know about Meralco but here in the Capiz Province. The distribution lines are 13.800 Volts (3 Wires on the Pole ) From this line they put a transformer and reduce it to 240 Volt 60 Hz (2 Lines on the Pole) This is run into Subdivisions and most homes directly no transformer at the house.

When we started our rice mill we needed 3 phase  had to buy property near the 13,800 60 Hz volt line pay for the lines into our property and purchase a 1MW 3 Phase Transformer to step it down to 240 volt 3 phase you can order a step down transformer for the 13,800 volt line and reduce the power to 4400 volts / 480 volts or 240 volts depends on your equipment installation

In your case the subdivision may only have 240 volt 60 Hz lines If they do allow you to bring in 3 phase power be prepared to pay for the lines and installation as well as transformers from the 13,200 Volt Line Connection to your home

Lets hope Meralco has a solution for you 

My suggestion find a single phase 240 volt 60 Hz casting machine or buy a 3 phase generator or rent a commercial building that has access to 3 phase 

Tom

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smokey
20 hours ago, philuk said:

Thanks Guys, the first option would not be of any use it could not produce enough amps in three phase, unless we went for a much bigger inverter, and then there is the running costs of running a motor all day just  to conver single to three phase.

as for a large deposit, would not be a problem Smokey, in the grand scheem of things 2,000 GBP, would not be out of the ballpark, we are in the prossess of ordering £85,000 worth of equipment from japan. Was it just a case of install the wiring, have it inspected and then apply to the electric company and after they inspect they supply the three phase,  or are there a $hit load of hoops to jumps through,

We went to veco and originally had to pay for 2 poles and transformer but veco gave back the pole money the deposit they hold till we returne the units we asked for 3 phase to power an elevator they gave permission but not to install a hydrolic tank was.not hard and now we have 110/220 and no power surges

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philuk

Thought it was about time for an update,

Good info for anyone that ever needs three phase,

Three phase is allowed by Angeles electric  as long as you meet certain requirements,

First get an electrical engineer to sraw up a blueprint of the proposed instalation, he has to work out all power requirements and include them on the blueprint,

It has to be disclosed the proposed horsepower usage of all machines using three phase, this has to be minimum 25 horse horsepower,

apply to City hall, there engineer will inspect the property, The property has to be a up to a certain standard, regarding safety and appearence.

They will inspect the property and instalation, and issue a certifate to present to the electric company,

There engineer will then come and inspect and inform where he wants the meter box and secondary rack to be fitted, in our case the secondary rack was on top of a twenty foot steel pole, he will then return to inspect the secondry (outside instalation), and if all is well he will work out an estimate cost of cost to install,

You pay they install, game over....

In our case i fitted all brittish components such as breaker box (consumer unit) switches and sockets, I have to say they were very impressed with the safety and quality of all the fittings,

we were a little under the horsepower requirements but a little math work by the engineer that drew up the blueprint made sure we met the requirements,

 

 

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Woolf
Posted (edited)
On 9/13/2018 at 10:54 PM, philuk said:

its niether 400 nor 440 Philippines is 380 V 60 htz,

110

220

380

as informed br meralco

here in the UK it 415vV 50 htz,

240

415

Philippines is 380 V 60 htz,

110

220

380

That could very well depend on what area, in the Philippines

On Cebu Island there is NO 110 v

Veco is 2 hot  220/240    

Rest of the island it is 1 neutral and 1hot 220/240

3 phase supply will depend on what you are asking for

Just now I checked the voltage to my house it is 240

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SkyMan
30 minutes ago, Woolf said:

On Cebu Island there is NO 110 v

Veco is 2 hot  220/240    

VECO is 2 hot 110v.  Added they give 220v.

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Woolf
Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, SkyMan said:

VECO is 2 hot 110v.  Added they give 220v.

Hmmmm  220  ???

 

Since I moved into my house 5 + years ago the voltage has been 240

that is why I write 220/240

Check the VECO drawing earlier in this thread

ok here it is again

image.png.e9ad6468d5a0fcfe7103d99b78e9c481.png

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SkyMan
Posted (edited)

Or this one which I believe is yours....

image.png.fb2da2f5ce1683322a6dea9f9e132af8.png

Relative to Neutral those VECO hots are 110/120v each.  Just like US.

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Woolf

@SkyMan

Yes I made those drawings

unfortunately  I did not put a date on it, but it is a few years ago

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