Philippine Electrical

[cookie47 1,784]

Help please.....

 

Although not qualified I'm ok with Australian 230 volt wiring (Australian colours and systems ) HOWEVER,

We have just moved into a new house and purchased new appliances. (Fridge, water cooler, microwave) The house has all three pin sockets (with round earth pin).

The appliances all have TWO pin PLUGS plus a completely separate green earth WIRE Attached to the chassis of the appliances .I asked the electrician through my wife what's the method of connecting the earth wire.

He says drill hole in wall and use screw, REALLY,!!!!.ON A NEW HOUSE.

I also asked him if the house had a safety switch= "RCD" he said what's a safety switch??.

None of the fuses are marked btw.

And no safety switch visible in fusebox. X2

The sockets do not have in built safety rcd/earth leakage device either. (as seen in the U.S on YouTube).

I've also looked outside the house for an earth stake (As expected in Australia) I can see one at the pole but is this related to my house. and in fact ARE the sockets earthed at all. I haven't bothered to investigate.

 

So back to these earth wires.

 

There only a meter long max. I've been to some houses and seen this wire not used particularly on fridges , but is this acceptable. I think not, because if the appliance became faulty no earth to stop you getting zapped...

 

Am i missing something here.

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

 

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[Woolf 8,548]

putting a screw in the wall for the ground wire is just as effective as putting a knitting pin in a flower pot and connect the ground wire to it

It is not normal in philippines to use 3 pin socket, I would try to take one the sockets off the wall and check if a 3rd wire is connected

if you have the 3rd wire, change the plugs on your appliances to 3 pin, connect the green/yellow wire to the ground pin 

I had then install 3 pin sockets in my house and the ground pin is connected the rebar at one the main support pillars 

RCD,s are practical unknown in PH

 

 

[A_Simple_Man 6,191]

1 hour ago, cookie47 said:

Am i missing something here.

I suggest the only thing your missing is an acceptance of "This is Philippines and that is how it is done here".  Just take a good look at the wiring on everyone else's appliances and outlets and you will see the similarities.  The foreigners who build their own houses often do the wiring according to code.  Very few others do. 

[RogerDat 3,478]

Mactan Island MECO requires a RCD in new construction as of 2017 when I did my garage plans.

What do you mean by "new" house? Where do you live. It is fairly easy to retrofit a RCD in a house fuse box. Work around, ALWAYS wear shoes inside, as well as outside here. We have that rat disease here that will kill you, keep out of standing water.

Edited July 14, 2018 by RogerDat

[cookie47 1,784]

Mactan Island MECO requires a RCD in new construction as of 2017 when I did my garage planes.
What do you mean by "new" house? Where do you live. It is fairly easy to retrofit a RCD in a house fuse box. Work around, ALWAYS wear shoes inside, as well as outside here. We have that rat disease here that will kill you, keep out of standing water.

Modena Sub division Consolacion.
Brand new house

Veco in the power company

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[RogerDat 3,478]

See your seller, AND VECO to find out if required there.

[Woolf 8,548]

I made the below drawings a few years back

Edited July 14, 2018 by Woolf

[Woolf 8,548]

Notice that in VECO area you have 2 hots

light switches are single pole, so even with switch turned off you still have 1 hot at the lamp socket

always turn off  breaker when working on electricity 

if you do not know what breaker to turn off

take the main one

Edited July 14, 2018 by Woolf

[SkyMan 23,374]

6 hours ago, Woolf said:

Notice that in VECO area you have 2 hots

light switches are single pole, so even with switch turned off you still have 1 hot at the lamp socket

always turn off  breaker when working on electricity 

if you do not know what breaker to turn off

take the main one

Come on, a little 110 won't kill you...

[Woolf 8,548]

9 minutes ago, SkyMan said:

Come on, a little 110 won't kill you...

maybe not, but falling down the ladder hitting your head on the tilled floor could

[lamoe 14,240]

9 hours ago, SkyMan said:

Come on, a little 110 won't kill you...

True but a little bit of amps will  - 0.1 / 0.2 A- Been hit with 80,000,000 (daughter's Jolt stun / flashlight) - 80 mil is the claim - comes with disclaimer that it's not easy to prove - ??

Something to be aware of - as was said  - single pole devices ALWAYS have hot side on Veco.

Had touched outside of old clothes washer with hand when off - no sensation - was wearing shorts - leg touched - definite sensation

[smokey 21,874]

So lets see as usual so many experts 220 the way to go 110 rules different strokes 

[cookie47 1,784]

I suggest the only thing your missing is an acceptance of "This is Philippines and that is how it is done here".  Just take a good look at the wiring on everyone else's appliances and outlets and you will see the similarities.  The foreigners who build their own houses often do the wiring according to code.  Very few others do. 

Yes, I take your point.
I have been a visitor for over 30 years (one every 1 or two years) whereas before i didn't take much notice of "How things worked"(as long as i didn't get electrocuted) because it didn't concern me. However, as a home owner and full time resident now, my interest and involvement have changed.,But are very comfortable how "things" are done in the Philippines

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[Woolf 8,548]

@cookie47

I have a question

You said it is a new house, are the breaker the type shown below ?

[cookie47 1,784]

[mention=18904]cookie47[/mention]
I have a question
You said it is a new house, are the breaker the type shown below ?

Woolf: Thanks for your interest and followup.

Yes its a new house, however i failed to mention a very important point in my first post.
Although we have access to the house ( during the day when the workers are around) we have not moved in as VECO has not connected the power, Supposedly on the list for next week. Its funny because we had a "handover" but no power (only in the Philippines moment)

There is a "space" left in the fuse box that I'm lead to believe is for a safety switch, somewhat like your picture.
"I'm told" this by neighbors that this is the final component that is fitted when VECO have done there site safety inspection and when happy, fit/or the electrician fits the safety switch. This all makes sense in reality and seems to be supported by the neighbours.
I'm guessing that the question ask to the electrician was "lost in translation". Your picture shows a safety switch that I'm totally familiar with in Australia.




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